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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 7/8/2011 12:25:47 PM   
Hillwilliam


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I look at it this way muffin.  Different jobs require a different mindset.

Here is the simplest example.

The Public Defender NEEDS to be a hard core bleeding heart liberal, champion of the poor and opressed and all that.  Dem

The District Attorney, on the other hand, needs to be a straight and narrow, law and order kind of guy that will take no prisoners.  Rep

Other stuff isn't so clear cut but, hopefully, you get the idea.



So your opinion is that neither of them should be interested in justice?

My opinion is that both should be interested in their version of justice.

Remember the Indian saga of the blind men and the elephant.


It will balance out in the end.



You seem to look at justice as a function of the "last man standing" as opposed to some moral absolute.

jus·tice
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–noun
1.
the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause.
2.
rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; justness of ground or reason: to complain with justice.
3.
the moral principle determining just conduct.
4.
conformity to this principle, as manifested in conduct; just conduct, dealing, or treatment.



No, I look at justice as that thing that normally lies between the 2 extremes.  That is why I used the attorney example.  Attorneys aren't interestested in justice anyway.  They're interested in winning.  period.

If you have 2 of opposite ilk working against each other, usually, it usually works out to something resembling justice.

Not a perfect system but it's the best available.

Welcome back tommy.  Ive missed being a punkassedmotherfucker.

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 7/8/2011 2:18:48 PM   
thompsonx


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You seem to look at justice as a function of the "last man standing" as opposed to some moral absolute.

jus·tice
   /ˈdʒʌstɪs/ Show Spelled[juhs-tis] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause.
2.
rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; justness of ground or reason: to complain with justice.
3.
the moral principle determining just conduct.
4.
conformity to this principle, as manifested in conduct; just conduct, dealing, or treatment.



No, I look at justice as that thing that normally lies between the 2 extremes. That is why I used the attorney example. Attorneys aren't interestested in justice anyway. They're interested in winning. period.

If you have 2 of opposite ilk working against each other, usually, it usually works out to something resembling justice.

Not a perfect system but it's the best available.

Welcome back tommy. Ive missed being a punkassedmotherfucker.


I post the dictionary definition of justice and you would prefer to ignor it in favor of your own made up definition "who can afford the best attorney" and have the temerity to claim that is as good as it gets.
Do you ever check your post for logic?
You have always been a punk ass motherfucker...I was just the first on this board to point it out to you.

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 7/11/2011 10:03:32 AM   
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You seem to look at justice as a function of the "last man standing" as opposed to some moral absolute.

jus·tice
   /ˈdʒʌstɪs/ Show Spelled[juhs-tis] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause.
2.
rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; justness of ground or reason: to complain with justice.
3.
the moral principle determining just conduct.
4.
conformity to this principle, as manifested in conduct; just conduct, dealing, or treatment.



No, I look at justice as that thing that normally lies between the 2 extremes. That is why I used the attorney example. Attorneys aren't interestested in justice anyway. They're interested in winning. period.

If you have 2 of opposite ilk working against each other, usually, it usually works out to something resembling justice.

Not a perfect system but it's the best available.

Welcome back tommy. Ive missed being a punkassedmotherfucker.


I post the dictionary definition of justice and you would prefer to ignor it in favor of your own made up definition "who can afford the best attorney" and have the temerity to claim that is as good as it gets.
Do you ever check your post for logic?
You have always been a punk ass motherfucker...I was just the first on this board to point it out to you.



Actually, I looked under the definition of justice and it said something about you getting off your lazy welfare sucking stoner ass and working for once in your life.

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Whoever said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" never heard Right Wing talk radio.

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 7/11/2011 2:04:06 PM   
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Cuba engages in indoctrination not education.


Oh good, a native of Cuba who can tell us what really happens there.



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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 7/11/2011 2:04:49 PM   
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From the employer's view, what makes the state any different from the private sector when it comes to the employer's right to require drug testing?

I worked in plenty of white collar jobs in the private sector that required drug testing, even though my job did not involve public safety. If I didnt like that, I was free to move along down the line and work somewhere else.

Why is the ACLU picking a fight now?

One of the things we learned in a stats class is how inaccurate drug testing is in the private sector.  They aren't testing enough people to get an accurate result, so the false positive rate is higher than the number that actually get busted.  Most of the places I know retest any failures, so you run up an additional cost.

The other problem with this testing is that you can be an alcoholic, use meth, sedatives, opiates, and various club drugs and pass within 48 hours.  Party down on Friday and you're good for Monday.  Even if you're still recovering from the party effects.

Smoke a roach one night and you come up positive 30 days later.

For public safety concerns, if you're worried about safety, test reaction times before the job starts.  Plenty of cold meds can screw you up, as can migraine headaches, fatigue, etc.

As for folks getting "handouts"/entitlements, you'd have to test everyone claiming the child, mortgage, local tax, medical expense exemptions, etc.

edit for wicked typos.


< Message edited by outhere69 -- 7/11/2011 2:07:05 PM >

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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 7/11/2011 2:27:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

From the employer's view, what makes the state any different from the private sector when it comes to the employer's right to require drug testing?

I worked in plenty of white collar jobs in the private sector that required drug testing, even though my job did not involve public safety. If I didnt like that, I was free to move along down the line and work somewhere else.

Why is the ACLU picking a fight now?



Maybe for the reasons you just stated, and long overdue in my opinion.

An employer is not mommy or daddy and they have no right to regulate what you do outside of the workplace.

Ban smoking or ban smokers? How far can you legally go? 

Thirty states and the District of Columbia have established “lifestyle discrimination” laws that prohibit employers from discriminating against employees or applicants based on the person’s off-duty use of tobacco or participation in other legal though controversial activities.



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RE: Scott suspends drug testing for workers!!!!yay - 7/15/2011 9:31:12 PM   
thompsonx


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Actually, I looked under the definition of justice and it said something about you getting off your lazy welfare sucking stoner ass and working for once in your life.


Perhaps you could give me bill gates and ted turner one good reason why we should work for a living?
My welfare cheque comes on time and my drugs are delivered to me by a uniformed emisary of the federal government.
Why does that bother you?

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