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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/19/2011 11:04:50 PM   
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Thanks VC...I try to contribute when I can or when I have a topic that I'm curious about. Honestly, I was surprised with how a recent thread I started (in Ask a Mistress) about emotions and how they're handled within relationships that are d/s or m/s based. While most of the posts were on point, the amount of responses were few. Maybe CM has run its course or maybe my post wasn't thought-provoking enough...either way, I thought it could have led to a discussion of more length.


For me, I dont read the Mistress threads except on rare occassions when something scrolls by that catches my interest.

What do I know about either being a Mistress or serving one? Nada. So I figure my responses there would be pointless.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/19/2011 11:18:52 PM   
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So if a predominantly P&R/P&ORS poster started complaining that there wasn't enough wiitwd content on CM...


So because I post mostly on the P&R threads, my opinion regarding other areas of the cm forums isnt as valuable?

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/19/2011 11:21:50 PM   
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I AM MODERATE!!!!! I AM DOMINATE!!!!

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We have to make bread in order to talk now? I know you said something could "rise" in the course of a coversation between us, Master Ron.... ahem... bread was not what I thought it would be.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/19/2011 11:24:29 PM   
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Ron. I have to admit I will click on any thread I see he's posted on.

Actually, when I think about it I have a lot of posters who I will read a thread just because they posted on it...
I was going to list them, but I think I'll start a thread instead.


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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/19/2011 11:24:58 PM   
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Let's not discuss other threads here, what was said there (especially when "there" was pulled), etc.

Whoever said mods are "not allowed" to participate in threads must not hang out in OT or PORS very much.



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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/19/2011 11:28:01 PM   
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Whew, had to backtrack to make sure I wasnt the one in 21's sites.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/19/2011 11:28:54 PM   
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Yes Ma'am.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/19/2011 11:36:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I have only one... well... ok.. two... Lucy and LadyPact. When they post, I just gotta see what hey are on about. Other than that... nope.

Thank you, tazzy.  I appreciate that.


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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 1:20:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

So if a predominantly P&R/P&ORS poster started complaining that there wasn't enough wiitwd content on CM...


So because I post mostly on the P&R threads, my opinion regarding other areas of the cm forums isnt as valuable?

You also post on the BDSM side of the boards. You contribute, ergo I'm willing to value your opinion.

If you didn't contribute then no, your opinion wouldn't be as valuable.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 2:02:56 AM   
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There are three sections I wont post on. Gorean, Mistress and Switch. Other than that, there is no telling when I will pop in to see what I can stir up.

ok, I have to take one back. I have, on rare occasions posted on the Mistress thread. I just dont do so often... those Domme women type sorta scare me.

< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 6/20/2011 2:03:46 AM >


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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 2:18:51 AM   
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Haha! Be afraaaaaaaid, be very afraaaaaaaiiiidd!!!!

Having said that you don't post on the gorean or switch boards at all and rarely on the mistress board, do you feel particularly strongly about what content should and shouldn't be on those boards? It's people who never post but then complain about the content that bug me.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 2:58:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: popularDemand
This in no way reflects on you personaly LP -strangely they were initials I used to use elsewhere- but your comment reagrding my bold.
 
I have had a peek around the site, and have noticed a reaction to such questions raised. and the 'pack' as hes been discribed, descending on the poster, telling him (invariably) that this is what he is looking for: wank fodder.
 
But how do we (the pack) know that this was the case?
 
Maybe self moderation in instances like this would help keep the boards alive, topical and fresh?
Allow a new question to grow for a while without judging the question by the gender/longevity of the poster?
 
I had a little look for a certain topic earlier, a 'search' as is often recommended. Plenty to be found, most of which was destroyed as a topic by this very 'pack' mentality.
 
lets all give a thread a chance... and if moderators are needed in some cases, it may be there... to allow something to develop, rather than be stifled at birth.
 
pD

How do we know?  High percentage rate of cause and effect.  It's not an absolute.  My personal estimation is that it's in the high nineties. 

I will not speak for all women here, but I will tell you My personal experience.  Some of My kinks, such as strap on play and My enjoyment of m/m sexual scenes, cause the crap in My mail to go up almost any time I respond to a thread on those topics created by a new poster.  Most of the time, it's by the OP themselves.  It's mail that I don't want. 

I am by far *not* the only woman who has discussed this particular issue.  We've had countless threads on the it.  Most women just really don't want people asking us about our sex lives that aren't familiar to us.  It's much more effective, for Me, to tell people straight from the beginning to tell people that My sex life isn't the business of somebody that I don't know.

Think about it in real life terms.  How often do you walk up to a woman that you don't know and start talking to her about how you like to fuck?  When you do, how does that go over?  Does she sit and engage in a lengthy conversation with you about it?

Now, tell Me why you should expect that to be any different just because, instead of in person, you happen to be talking to women on the net?



in my personal opinion the *pack* knows not much at all and are a nasty bunch of jackalls spoiling many threads from the start... and i have most definitely not seen much *growth* with them, the more they roam the more buddy buddy they seem to get

If one receives mail they are not interested in then they can just delete it and block the sender, no big deal
If you receive mail and you don't want any, then use your filters

Nobody needs to tell anybody on a thread that they do not want to talk about their personal experiences... if you don't want to talk about them, simply do not contribute to the thread. Others do.
There is no need as far as i am concerned to slam people for enjoying wank fodder or contributing to it...

It is exactly because this IS the net and people are more anonimous that they feel they can open up and talk about their dirty perversions, or ask others to.

There is a massive difference between people who enjoy the anonimity of being on-line as supposed to the people who think this is a *real* community.

This is CYBER; a world of make-believe, it does not matter that there are trolls and fakes, you never positively know who goes behind a screen-name until you meet them in the flesh, and you can not rule that everybody should be exactly as you want them to be...

and everybody always has a point, sometimes it just is not worth making.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 3:27:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Why can't people just say what they want... indeed if you don't like it just block them or go somewhere else.
Join the exchange with enthousiasm i say, the less moderation the better in my book.


Sometimes blocking the offender is the best way of handling it, but then again, if the offender is disrupting the natural flow of conversation, moderation is necessary. The things that are in the TOS are the ones that have been shown to disrupt conversation, human beings being human beings.



quote:

When a thread is not to your liking why not contribute to another one?
Unless gross illegal stuff is being talked about... why on earth would anybody complain to the mods about anothers opinion?


I think this shows a gross misunderstanding of how the moderation on this site works. I have not noticed entire threads moderated because of "opinions" because "opinions" within the TOS are not moderated.

quote:

Why do certain people get away with things others don't?

That was explained by the mods on this very thread, unless of course you refuse to believe them.



quote:

Why do threads get locked after it is considered to be out of hand, if things must be done then why not just delete the lot and let them start again... if anybody can be bothered?


Have you notice, the actions taken on trainwrecks vary based upon the trainwreck. It is a subjective decision made by human beings... since they are the human beings tasked with this subjective decision, my question to you "why don't you respect their decisions as having as much merit as your opinions about them""?


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Why are people on [awaiting approval] still allowed to post anything at all, that is just adding to the work load and totally unnecessary.


If had my way, people would just be moderated into silence. I think their [awaiting approval] status is disruptive to the flow of the thread... but that isn't a big deal to me, either.


quote:

Why are there no CLEAR rules? it all seems to depend on the moderators own interpretation, and i have read the TOS (to be found in tiny letters in the bottom corner of the front page)... well it doesn't really tell you a great lot.


If there was no ambiguity in rules, we would not have a court system. Since being moderated isn't the same thing as being put in prison, we just have to rely on the judgment of the moderators... again, no biggie


quote:

Why do some post get pulled, but then the responses to the post that was pulled remain up? That is just totally naf.

Why do posts with quotes of pulled posts get scensored so the pulled post that was quoted gets edited out, but the rest of the post in reply still stands?
... i mean what is the point of that, if the original post is gone, then surely the response does not matter a jot any more either, the whole thread just becomes even weirder then.





Because it is hard to edit a thread that is completely out of hand, and it is hard for me to sometimes understand the flow of threads as a participant, much less as someone who is coming into a 30 page thread filled with personal attacks that they haven't contributed to. It ain't perfect, but neither am I.



quote:

Why is it possible but considered *not done* to respond to a three month old thread?


I think this is a norm that varies from site to site, but I can tell you, it is annoying to put a reply on a thread that was 3 years old that you contributed to originally in the middle of the thread.. it makes you feel stupid.


quote:

Why are so many *old* posters allowed to totally rip new posters appart?


you have been here long enough to be considered an "old poster" and you have enough posts to justify that designation too....

I think that if you see something happening that is against TOS, it is really your responsibility to report it, or not to comment on it... have you reported it?

I think that you got your nose way bent out of shape by how your own posts were dealt with by management... and I think you know the common sense reasons behind why things are done here, but you just don't agree with it. Personally, if I am at someone's home, and their rules do not make sense to me, I either try to understand them or I leave.


Sorry Julia, i missed your post, thank you for responding

about point one: sometimes the *natural flow* is between two *offenders* who are totally capable of standing up for themselves and really nothing much else is happening on the thread... i fail to see why a good exchange so often gets referred to as a trainwreck

as for the other points thank you for trying to answer, but i really think the whole moderation is totally depending on whatever the mods decide its is going to be like.
None of us know how much gets pulled because the posts totally disappear, and none of us is here 24-7 and reads all the threads.
I simply do not think that is right at all.

Regarding this: "if there was no ambiguity in rules, we would not have a court system. Since being moderated isn't the same thing as being put in prison, we just have to rely on the judgement of the moderators... again, no biggie"

I disagree, if being on [awaiting approval] is supposed to be a punishment, then much like the normal court system a user should be able to protest their innocence and moderators should not be bias, so in effect they can not be active users of the site and be known to some and friendly with some.
If people get punished anyway, eventhough they think they are innocent (which obviously happens) then when their punishment is done they should be let out, just like the normal way of sentencing.

It does not really matter whether i have my nose bent out of shape or not, my points are valid.

I really do not want to report about anything that happens on the boards, i have tried to do so a few times but i don't even know how it works and the only reason i tried to do so was because action was taken against me for doing the same thing... so really petty reason and i am not proud of it.
Other than that i have reported people who approached me personally with totally illegal propositions.
I do not like to be an old and jaded poster either, i do not subscribe to the *pack* mentality.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 4:56:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ModTwentyOne

Let's not discuss other threads here, what was said there (especially when "there" was pulled), etc.

Whoever said mods are "not allowed" to participate in threads must not hang out in OT or PORS very much.





Thank god. To the first part that is.

No shit to the second. Obviously they don't go there. I see mods posting a lot in both of those sections. Why would anyone assume mods can't post?

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 8:38:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Haha! Be afraaaaaaaid, be very afraaaaaaaiiiidd!!!!

Having said that you don't post on the gorean or switch boards at all and rarely on the mistress board, do you feel particularly strongly about what content should and shouldn't be on those boards? It's people who never post but then complain about the content that bug me.


No, it doesnt really matter to me what is posted on those. How can anyone conplain about the content on a board? Dont like the content, then start your (your as in general, not you specifically) own threads... its a pretty simple solution.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 8:48:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
Why would anyone assume mods can't post?


i must indeed not hang out in OT or PORS very much, i don't even know what it is.
i never assumed moderators could not post as i have seen their participation in threads at times, but i think it is strange, and not quite right.
If they get all buddy buddy with people it just looks wrong to me. like it always looks wrong to me to see people supposedly in authority positions playing around with their charge.... i remember footage of prime ministers playing guitar or base ball.... eeeewww

am i right in understanding that moderators also have another user name under which they post too?

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 8:57:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

No, it doesnt really matter to me what is posted on those. How can anyone conplain about the content on a board? Dont like the content, then start your (your as in general, not you specifically) own threads... its a pretty simple solution.

...which is what I've been saying all along.

People can and do complain. In one memorable incident it ended up in my inbox - guy who'd posted on a sum total of two threads over many months thought I was 'screwing up his learning resource'.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 8:58:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ModTwentyOne

...Whoever said mods are "not allowed" to participate in threads must not hang out in OT or PORS very much.



What exactly had been posted was:

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ORIGINAL: Wolf2Bear

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

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ORIGINAL: Wolf2Bear
I would be quite curious to hear the opinions of the current moderators regarding this topic?


i thought that the moderators weren't allowed to actively participate in threads, only moderate them. Having said that, as far as we know some of the moderators HAVE given their opinions in this thread.

pam



Hmmm, that I have no idea myself. I just assume they are able to actively participate in discussions yet choose to restrict their postings to just moderating as they feel is necessary.



So in keeping with that train of topic, I am curious to hear what the moderators views are on the OP? Obviously all the people who are posting on this topic have their own feelings to whether the tone of moderation is pleasantly relaxed, no strict enough, a nice blend of both or any variation between. We posters can speculate until the cows come home yet it still merely speculation on our parts. I still say that having a moderators POV from their perspective would be enlightening and invaluable; at least the views expressed here wouldn't be so one lopsidedly biased because we only have our own views to work from.


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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 9:08:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

People can and do complain. In one memorable incident it ended up in my inbox - guy who'd posted on a sum total of two threads over many months thought I was 'screwing up his learning resource'.


You were shagging his mum? That's harsh, even by your standards ;)

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/20/2011 9:45:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue

You were shagging his mum? That's harsh, even by your standards ;)

You're saying I have high standards of harshness? Why Mr Fugue, you wound me! ()

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