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BonesFromAsh -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 5:42:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep


and then there's Asharah -- she's a very academic dancer who's familiar with boatloads of dance history and technique (which is unfortunately somewhat rare in the tribal fusion world). i love that about her and also that she has always been her own person; she's never copied anyone else's style, she's built up her career totally on her own. she used to be primarily known for her mechanical, gothic style, but she's been branching out and opening her style up more.
her fairly legendary performance at Tribal Fest 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvgzRKIPShM




Now she's interesting. Lilly, do you have any links that discuss the beginnings of the whole tribal fusion style?




Icarys -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 5:43:33 PM)

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That's Miss Jackson, D-icky!

Talk about easy. I lay the path and you follow along.[:D]

I cannot tell a lie! (they call me tricky too)




Icarys -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 5:47:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

oh AAAND another of my favorites --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YumY-Q8prtw&feature=related

af leyla wa leyla is a very commonly used song, and this is one of my favorite performances of it.
there's another one by a dancer called Samia that i also really love.


That really is a beautiful song.




BonesFromAsh -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 5:49:31 PM)

C'mon Icky, do the dance of the seven veils for us!

BTW..."Miss Jackson" was bein' used long before you laid down the blueberry path.




Muttling -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 5:50:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh

I'm wondering if any of the men can do this.... Sexier.....Waaaay sexier!

[;)]

Ohhh, and this one too Nice!



OMG.....If I could do that, Miss would never let me dance for her.  Rest assured that she would want my hips still moving in that fashion though.




Icarys -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 5:59:55 PM)

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C'mon Icky, do the dance of the seven veils for us!

No problem but it involves me wrapping them tightly around your neck. I'm game.[:D]

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BTW..."Miss Jackson" was bein' used long before you laid down the blueberry path.

I know but it was all too predictable to watch you skip down it. Slip sliding as you went. I say things and try to guess where a person will take my words.. I'm sadden to say it's usually right where I think it's going to go. All the while they think they're being witty and clever when in fact I said the words to see if they would do it.

Every once in awhile I'm thrilled to be wrong. Thrill me will ya. <-----

I could do this all night you know but I really want to see what people have to say about dance.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:01:00 PM)

Asharah is a bloody genius. she has a blog at bdpaladin.com; i like to drop in and read it and occasionally comment. she talks about all sorts of history.

Rachel Brice is essentially credited as being THE one who popularized tribal fusion, when she formed The Indigo and went touring with Belly Dance Superstars..

*puts on belly dance teacher coin scarf*

In the 70s there was a dancer called Jamila Salimpour (she was once a performer with Ringling Bros. circus) who had a stage act called Bal Anat. It was meant as a more folkloric contrast to the nightclub belly dance that was what most people saw in America at the time. Bal Anat would perform at renfaires and things like that, dance to more "ethnic-sounding" music and wear more "ethnic" costumes than the beaded bedlahs the nightclub dancers were wearing. It combined a lot of different kinds of dancing; sword dances, tray dances, etc etc, and fused a lot of ethnic dances.
People really dug the style of Bal Anat and wanted to learn more about it -- Masha Archer was one of these students who further melded a lot of the fused dances together and began teaching herself later on. (There was another one also called John Compton, who dances with his troupe Habhi 'Ru -- seriously look him up; he's a wonderful dancer and he's absolutely hilarious. I will never forget meeting him.) One of her students, Carolena Nericcio, is the one mostly credited with creating what became known as American Tribal Style Bellydance, or ATS, and built up a troupe around it called Fat Chance Bellydance. (sometimes also called ITS by people who do similar dancing but without being a FCBD sister studio -- there's a lot of drama there, and that's another long, long LONG story =p)

ATS is a modern fusionary style that combines movements from dances found along the Silk Route. there are moves from the Ghawazee people who were found in the Egypt area, moves inspired by the Rajasthani people of India, Spanish flamenco (most notably in the body posture and arms) etc etc. It's an improvisational dance based on cues and muscle memory -- you can build entire performances without really having a clue what you're going to do because everyone knows the cues and what they mean. Carolena was hoping to create something that people could do with each other all over the world, and you really can go nuts and dance carefree and happily with another tribal dancer from, say, the Czech Republic, because you both know the same vocabulary -- that's a pretty awesome feeling!
ATS really isn't an "authentic" ethnic style of dance, though, but the costuming and movements give it a more earthy feel.

Okay so ANYWAY, ATS caught on pretty wildly, but as with anything, there are those who want to innovate. Enter Rachel Brice. Rachel began as a cabaret dancer, but then started studying with John Compton of Habhi 'Ru. She later joined Ultra Gypsy which was the first "tribal fusion" troupe, created by Jill Parker. Following her time with them, she met Mardi Love who was part of another troupe, and Zoe Jakes and formed The Indigo. They are the ones who really started the tribal fusion "revolution" because when they went touring with Miles Copeland's BDSS, no one had really seen anything like that before. Tribal fusion, up until then, was pretty much only seen in California, but going touring with the BDSS took it all over the world.

Tribal fusion is a mixture of ATS and other forms of dance, primarily cabaret/traditional styles. It also has some hip-hop elements (pop & lock stuff), breakdancing, honestly now it's become so enormous, it includes all kinds of stuff. =p




Icarys -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:03:55 PM)

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popularized tribal fusion

I'm not digging the fusion..not the video I saw at least. Looks like and angry take.




Icarys -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:08:43 PM)

This is hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFFfoW34rv4&NR=1&feature=fvwp




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:09:20 PM)

fusion isn't for everyone; i've gotten a little bored with it myself, just because the tendency now is to copy Rachel Brice. =p nobody wants to be like her in the sense that she sought her own individuality, they just want to be like her and wear the exact same costume and do the exact same moves. =p
it's also getting to a point where you have dancers like Raqs Steady Eddie who really aren't belly dancing at all, just breakdancing with a coin belt on. that bugs me. =p

some fusion dancers think that they have to look angry all the time. there's also a lot more Gothic culture that has found its way to tribal fusion for some people, so they express that. There are some Gothic cabaret dancers, but not nearly as many as are found in the tribal fusion world.

what i loved the most about tribal fusion, i.e. its openness and the room to bring in outside influences, is what i worry will eventually kill it now. =p haha (melodrama!) nowadays when i want to see a really passionate dance that's also technically sound, i look for cabaret/traditional videos usually.




BonesFromAsh -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:09:35 PM)

Thanks for the blog link and the history lesson, Lilly.

I had a chance to see Zoe Jakes perform in '09 while at a festival in Eugene, OR. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wxYpRnvc4Q&feature=related She was just amazing. The tiny muscle movements and the flow...just beautiful.

You're right about that type of dance being a language of its own...one I'd love to speak.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:12:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

This is hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFFfoW34rv4&NR=1&feature=fvwp



oooo she's very good ^_^ (will keep this to share with my dancerpals)
a lot of that technique is totally lost on your average tribal fusion dancer, unfortunately.
i still love fusion, but i don't like the direction it's going in. so off to cabaret land i go. =p

i bought a really cute red costume and already managed to break one of the strings of beads. =p oh well; not a difficult fix.




HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:13:42 PM)

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Who might that be if you don't mind?
I figured Lilly would be along soon, so I only gave you a hint to keep you interested. [:D]




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:17:35 PM)

another great site for anyone interested -- www.shira.net

if you ask any belly dancer anywhere, she'll probably recommend this site to you.
i made my first ever circle skirt, sewing by hand (which is a nightmare if you know the yardage of a circle skirt for dancing =p) based of instructions from her site. loads of information. she's a wonderful woman from Iowa who has been dancing for decades, has traveled to Egypt and danced and taught lectures there -- she travels all over the place.




Icarys -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:18:15 PM)

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some fusion dancers think that they have to look angry all the time.

Yeah I saw that in a few of the vids I just watched. Me being me I much prefer the softer more feminine dances of women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r3ruXtoTII




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:18:49 PM)

^^ there it is ^_^ she's positively adorable

and yeah, the "softness" and "femininity" which are two of the things that first attracted me to the dance are slowly becoming less and less visible in the tribal fusion world.
my first ever inspiration to start was a dancer named Rania Bossonis; she dances in a range of traditional styles, and the first workshop i took with her, i realized how much i HADN'T learned. i have a much more well-rounded style now because i primarily identify as a fusion dancer, which (i think) gives me more leeway to bring more traditional elements in.
i have yet to perform a completely traditional piece, but i've been working on one for an upcoming performance. it's been interesting! =p 






Icarys -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:23:25 PM)

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i have yet to perform a completely traditional piece, but i've been working on one for an upcoming performance. it's been interesting! =p

Any chance you'd video that? [:D]




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:25:34 PM)

hahaha i guess only time will tell?

p.s. and "helloooo" to Heather ^_^




Icarys -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:25:40 PM)

This one is really nice of her. Super cute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xbHKEHkg7g&NR=1




Icarys -> RE: Sexxxaaaay (6/17/2011 6:26:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

hahaha i guess only time will tell?



I'm sure many would love to see that. I know I would.[;)]




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