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How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub Part I - 5/15/2006 11:26:24 AM   
FirmhandKY


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How to succeed in your search - Hunting the Femsub Part I.

This post is related to two other posts I have already made.

The first is "How to succeed in your search" although I should have titled it "How to succeed in your search - Know Yourself"

The second is "How to succeed in your search - The "Numbers" game"

This post is in reaction to a lot of comments I hear about 95% (or some such number) of submissive women's profiles being "fake".

I write this simply from my point of view, with all my own prejudices and narrow wants and desires, and understand that your mileage may vary, and that you may violently disagree.  I am open to differing viewpoints, and am not trying to "lay down the law", saying "this is the one true way".  

I'm just giving my thoughts on the subject.  While this post is fashioned for male "doms" hunting for female "subs", I think a lot of it can be transferred over to any other category of one person hunting for a relationship of another person.

I also suspect that most of the negative comments I get will be people who haven't read my other two posts, or, who having read them, either don't understand them, or don't agree with them, or - most importantly - have not  implemented the two main suggestions that are contained in those posts in their own lives.

For reference, those two main suggestions are:

1. Know yourself.  
2. Treat each person uniquely as an individual.

This main idea of this post takes off from the second point, treating each woman as an unique individual.

Your Attitude:

The most important part of finding a femsub is in your own attitude.

Let me repeat that:  The first and most important part of finding a woman to be your submissive is IN YOUR ATTITUDE.  Put that in your pipe and smoke it.  Read it again, and again.  Print it out on a piece of paper and post it next to your computer.  Take a magic marker and write in on the top of your computer monitor.  Turn off your computer, and stay away from all the profiles and searches and think about it.  Take a long drive in the country and let it roll around in your head.  

The biggest difference between the maledom who has success, and the one who doesn't - is in his attitude.

Your attitude shapes your actions and your reactions.  Your attitude is what comes across to a woman before almost anything.  Your attitude is what most women look for in your introductory email, it's what jumps out at them in your forum post, it's what they hear in your voice - attitude.

If you do much reading about the differences between men and women, one of the things that you will discover is that women are generally much more socially aware and astute when it comes to social interaction.  They are generally multi-taskers, while men are more focused on a single track to the exclusion of others.  Women's brains ARE different, physically and psychological.  They see more colors than men, they see more nuances than men.  They are much harder to "fool" and can see right into your soul in a heartbeat, even if you are fooling yourself.

No matter how "dominant" you are (or think you are), you are at a disadvantage when you either consciously or unconsciously try to look and act like something that you aren't 100% comfortable with.  All of your little subterfuges and hesitations and games may look and feel to you like "just the thing she is looking for".  To the femsub, they scream "faker", "wannabe" and "hng".

Most of the time, after they have had some experience with enough such men, they become very very skittish about even opening a conversation with anyone.  A lot of them give up the search.  They become cynical, and a lot of emails go unanswered, or you only get short "blow off" responses - if you get a response at all.

Their Attitude:

I can't speak for each and every female submissive out there, but I do have my opinions about the general process a lot of women go through as they start to discover her submissiveness - and then to act on it.

For most women, being "submissive" isn't something our popular culture values, or encourages, so she is at a disadvantage from the very beginning.  Assertiveness in a man is still a valued cultural trait (although it has taken a beating in the last few decades).

So as a woman starts to discover and embrace her submissiveness, it takes a lot of strength (or longing) to post a profile to CollarMe (or any other similar site).  She is in a quandary about the whole thing, and isn't really sure how she fits in, or whether she really should be doing this.  She has heard and read all the horror stories about online predators, meetings gone bad, and women abused and discarded.

The fact that she is trying to "come out" means that she is fighting against her very nature.  A submissive, by definition is a woman who prefers to be "acted upon" rather than be "the actor".  Personally, I think it takes a lot of internal pressure and soul-searching to allow her to take that giant step into this world.

Her basic attitude when she finally does?  Skittish.  Let's look at some of the meanings of this word.

Skittish:

1 a : lively or frisky in action  : CAPRICIOUS  
   b : VARIABLE, FLUCTUATING
2 : easily frightened  : RESTIVE  *a skittish horse*
3 a : COY, BASHFUL  
   b : marked by extreme caution  : WARY

I think that each of these definitions applies, at one point or another to all submissives.

This is why so many submissive women's profiles are blank, or hold little information.  This is why so many submissive women's profiles disappear after a brush or two with maledoms - they are simply frightened, and withdraw, or decide this life is "not for them".

It is also why, when a maledom comes on gangbusters dominant, a submissive often shuts down or disappears. Or, after the 100th such "gangbuster" email she hides her profile or leaves the site.  It takes a special submissive to handle all the avalanche of attention, and still stay around.

Generally, the ones who do stay around are the ones who are above average in intelligence, or above average in need and desire.  The ones with less strength/intelligence/need - either get sucked up by the first man that even slightly fits her fantasy needs, or she gets so frightened and overwhelmed that she simply disappears - at least for a time.  

If, after a time, she strengthens herself, she may return.  A woman can be intelligent, and have a strong need, yet require time and other experiences in order to strengthen herself mentally and emotionally to again return to her search.

This is one reason I try to adhere to a rule about never seriously approaching a submissive woman who's profile is less than a couple of months old (special circumstances may apply, however).

A special note:  Because many of the submissives who have been operating as "strong women" in their lives seek submission, there is a conundrum for them to overcome as well.  They have a need to submit, but at the same time they are hardheaded about the realities of life.  It has been put to me this way:  It's really difficult to grasp the concept of why someone who is more than capable of leading, would want to follow.

As a maledom, YOU must answer that unasked question.

To be continued in "How to succeed in your search - Hunting the Femsub Part II.  This will be focused on actual "techniques".

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 11:37:17 AM   
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so far so good FH.  I look forward to part 2.

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 11:58:26 AM   
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Wonderful beginning, FHKy, But you do realize that some are going to want to know why it is that you believe you have the answers? ;)

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 11:59:51 AM   
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angelface,

It might be a day or two before I get the second part posted.  I've got tons of notes, but I'm trying to condense everything down to just a middlin' length post.

I might even end up with a couple of additional threads on THIS subject.

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 12:00:02 PM   
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Hope some Doms are reading this too :)

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 12:09:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: losttreasure

Wonderful beginning, FHKy, But you do realize that some are going to want to know why it is that you believe you have the answers? ;)


I say ... let the submissive women who read this pass judgement if I hit near the mark or not. 

btw ... is that the second or third spanking I owe you for your brattiness? 

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 12:16:49 PM   
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Third, sweetheart... but I'm not counting. O:-)

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 12:24:03 PM   
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FirmhandKY:

This bit is good:
1. Know yourself.
2. Treat each person uniquely as an individual.

And elsewhere you've made good a point about how people should try to get across what's on offer for the other person - and that's good advice for Doms as well as subs surely. Of course, I and some others made similar points also. There's nothing new under the sun and all that...

But you've already begun to go from some fairly universal and solid truths to some things that make far less sense to me. Why go into details describing some imaginary lowest common denominator type sub and her attitude when the above says it all better and more succinctly? Further, you violated your own second main suggestion in doing so - to "treat each person uniquely as an individual" would tend to leave out the possibility about talking about submissives as if they were all captured by some one generic umbrella description.

I know this is thread was begun by someone with a clue (more or less) trying to help out the truly clueless, but I think the more details you provide the less useful these kinds of things become. People need to both express their own individuality and to discover it in another, but you can't really hand them a road map or some kind of DIY manual. For example, you can hand someone Polonius' speech to Laertes from Hamlet but only they can turn those old words into wisdom at work in their daily lives. You simply cannot do it for them.

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 12:35:42 PM   
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You know what chaingang is right.  There is no need for part two.  Those two rules sum it up for everyone who is seeking a partner/playmate.

If you know who you are and what you want then you are far more likely to find it.

If you recognize and treat each person as an individual instead of someone that you can mold into your "perfect" mate, then everyone will be happier.  Not all subs wish to submit to every Dom/me and of course the reverse is true as well. 

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 12:43:28 PM   
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You said a mouthful in this one!

"Skittish" is what described me exactly in the first few months.  I think I'm calmer and more confident now, but it was a terrifying roller-coaster at first.

If a couple of men I talked to a few weeks ago had read this, they might be happier now.



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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 1:02:05 PM   
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chaingang and angelface183,

My gut says you both have a point, and perhaps also miss a point.  Let me think on it for a while.

If you notice, the mention of "techniques" is in parens, for a good reason.  They aren't actual "by the numbers" type of things that most people associate with "techniques". 

In one sense, what I am trying to do is answer, from a philosophical viewpoint, why so many men have difficulty in connecting.  Part of the intentional impact is to introduce cognitive dissonance to permit learning to occur in the few that actually wish to do so.

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 1:21:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


This post is in reaction to a lot of comments I hear about 95% (or some such number) of submissive women's profiles being "fake".

I write this simply from my point of view, with all my own prejudices and narrow wants and desires, and understand that your mileage may vary, and that you may violently disagree.  I am open to differing viewpoints, and am not trying to "lay down the law", saying "this is the one true way".  

Maybe those two paragraphs will be enough for people  to not assume that the OP considers Himself the great and powerful  OZ.   I happen to agree with the concepts the OP outlines.  I'm  downright impressed with His insight, and look forward to more.
 In my opinion deep introspection and knowledge of self make insight into others much more sucessful.

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 1:28:09 PM   
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FH,

I am no way saying that you should stop your post...

I just think if everyone followed those two guidelines when sending out or replying to emails it would make everything a lot simpler.  Then if someone needed more specific advice on wooing a particular individual...

But it would also be nice if chocolate had no calories, gas was under $2 a gallon, and if I was not lactose intolerant!  A girl can dream can't she?

*I wish that some of the men that I first met on this site had followed those rules.  I would have avoided some heartache and sleepless nights.  Luckily I have found someone that makes me feel like his special pet and so far it is working because we both are following the "rules".*

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 1:28:43 PM   
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my goodness.....that post could have been written about me...so few seem to understand it,...i thank you FirmHandKy and i look forward to part 2

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 1:59:23 PM   
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Chaingang, I understand the point you are trying to make, and I agree with it to a point. For some, a universal truth is sufficient to spark understanding and the process of introspection and growth. For others, though, further analysis and examples (albiet limited - no one could possibly address all permutations) are desired and even required to allow application of those truths to their own situations.

Let's not close down communication and the learning process just because the basic idea has been established. FirmhandKY made it very clear that not only what he would be presenting is based on his own thoughts and impressions, but that first and foremost treating everyone as an individual is paramount to success. Supplying generalizations based on his experience does not invalidate that premise.

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 2:44:14 PM   
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Are you a psychologist FirmhandKY? I ask because I went to a talk by a psychologist last week, who was talking along a similar theme regarding male and females, almost word for word in some things you said. I had to kinda blink at your post and wonder if it was him talking, checked your profile, can't be him, he is in Australia at the moment. Kudo's to you if this has just been an accumulation of realisations made from your own experience or insights.

I've actually never had the experience in my life of looking for a partner, I know that sounds weird..but its true. It makes me ignorant to a lot of the dynamics that people have and do go through. I think though, if I was ever in a situation where I was looking for a partner, due to my own lack of experience in the area, having people give tips and insights would be really gratefully received....so good for you for attempting to be a productive force.

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 3:07:31 PM   
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Good post, Firmhand and I surely hope that the doms here read it. 

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 3:29:43 PM   
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hmmmm... I like being hunted....LOL...

You are right about ATTITUDE.. same goes for subs too though, bad attitudes chase off people in the vanilla world as well. I tend to like dominant men that do not have a linear frame of mind that Western Civilization has imposed upon our thinking. You know, that whole rank and file line of thought that says "I am a dom so you must be weaker, inferior, less than Me in my magnificence" Instead I prefer men who have studied the Tao, Zen, and the whole ying/yang concept. I do not think in a linear way (although I am not good at multitasking either).

I think you are right, it takes strength to know what you want and then seek it... This is not just true of sex, but with anything! Sometimes the fantasy of having a better job,making a hobby into a career, or going back to school is so overwhelming that people do not seek to make it true. It takes a strong person to sieze what they want! And strength is a trait of a good submissive.

My own profile is blank yet again (for now) because I am in the contemplation process of changing it. I have not decided what to put down in it.

One question... what is a HNG???....lol

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 3:44:51 PM   
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ooh i know... i learned this yesterday..

horny net geek!

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RE: How to succeed in your search - Hunting the femsub ... - 5/15/2006 3:44:51 PM   
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i am impressed by your female insight as someone of the opposite sex.

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