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Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 2:51:56 PM   
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I'd be interested in hearing everyone's thoughts after watching this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcwt6Yl_NQ

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 3:06:04 PM   
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REALITY holy shit!!!!

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 4:00:32 PM   
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Didn't watch the whole thing, going to major media outlets to research.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 4:14:23 PM   
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Gee, a news blackout?

Another nuclear crisis fizzles, authorities say Nebraska nuclear plant not in danger from Missouri river flooding

Nebraska Nuke Plant Owners Tell Management To Buy Anything They Need To Ward Off Rising Floodwaters

Smoke Causes Scare At Nuclear Plant

there are 3 of 12 main stream and other media reports on the Ft. Calhoun Nuclear plant.


This is nothing more than lunatic fringe conspiracy paranoia bullshit. All I had to do was go to google, and search Ft. Calhoun Nuclear plant, then click on the news link.

By the way, the plant has been shut down since April when it was refueled. That was also in the news.

And I thought hunky and real were bad for spreading conspiracy bullshit.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 4:35:13 PM   
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The video wasn't made today. Cooper is not shut down. Cooper may shut down if the flooding gradually reaches a certain depth, but I'm concerned about a levee breaking.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 4:35:50 PM   
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jlf, I'll accept what you said. But consider this - are you in the habit of looking for shit like this ? You probably would never have looked for this under normal circumstances. This goes back to what the media considers "fit to print".

There could be an uprising, another highwy sniper or any kind of shit going on. If the news media doesn't say anything, for what would you search on thr net ?

I am not one to say that the media always lies, they don't. They mix in enough truth to make the bullshit believable. But the real crime is that of omission. When they decide what is fit to print, that is a hell of alot more power concentrated in their hands than most people could even fathom.

It's not only conspiracy theorists who should sometimes curtail their use of the word conspiracy. So it was a blackout. So this outlet and that outlet and the other outlet did not put it on the front page or on the evening news. All of them. No conspiracy, just cooperation. I don't know about you, but that's not OK with me.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 4:36:34 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbrjRKB586s


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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 4:40:37 PM   
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Most risks don't involve deadly radiation and toxic waste that lasts for thousands of years.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 4:41:37 PM   
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Interesting choice of title, Paranoid or Reality, P or R and in that P&R, politics and religion

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 4:44:09 PM   
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quote:

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Most risks don't involve deadly radiation and toxic waste that lasts for thousands of years.


I dunno.   Love canal.   The early to mid late 1800s -- dumping gasoline in the Ohio river till it was constantly burning.

Risk could have been thousands of years there........

Just like MIB....someone is ALWAYS going to destroy the planet.

I am upwater and generally upwind from you guys down that way.



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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 4:48:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbrjRKB586s


Everything is a risk. 

Thanks for the link,informative and educational. I will lobby my government and try and get Robert Plant in charge of the water system here

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 4:56:23 PM   
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You appear to have the air covered.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 5:12:55 PM   
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"The early to mid late 1800s -- dumping gasoline in the Ohio river till it was constantly burning."

Not quite. Before about 1900 gasoline was a waste product. In this country Ransom Eli Olds took care of that. Much later Ford and Hitler made automobiles available to the commoner. But until then gasoline or benzine was unwanted. There was petroleum cracking, although not quite what it is today (ask HK about that, not me). Nobody wanted gasoline in the house because it was too volitile (smells) and can become explosive. It was simply unsafe, as was any large amount of it. The internal combustion engine combusts internally fo a very good reason.

The river may have burned a long time ago, but it did again when I was a kid, and that was because of dumping MORE waste products (which were obviously flammable) into the river. *

Maybe rivers will glow in the dark next time, but I don't think the Cuyahoga will have that claim to fame. It's a bit too far away. Of course if some good radium gets into the water table, we might have an easy time finding our glow in the dark wells.

*Of course now damnear anything flammable is useful. We should probably worship fire at this point.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 5:27:09 PM   
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Apologies for my above post, I had not seen the video, but on seeing it, I can only guess the lack of information in the press could if the event is being supressed, is to avoid a mass panic which will surely happen, if the press does a mental on this, as it has been known to do in the past, perhaps even the press have become aware of their responsibility and are thinking about their actions for once.

But, I was wondering, do you in America have your equivalent of the often thought to exist UK North/South divide, in that I am meaning what gets reported nationwide seems to come from certain areas whilst similarities in other areas are ignored ? I am of course thinking about the complete lack of governmental care and help New Orleans received after the natural disaster that was the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina, is what happens half way across the continent of little importance or concern to what happens nearer to the Capital ?

But nuclear power, you know of course dabbling with such insiduously dangerous stuff as this was eventually going to bite us in the ass someday didn't you ? In our hunger for more and more energy to deplete our minerals and resources at a faster and faster rate, we have become greedy perhaps beyond our nature, as to look at how far we have come in under one hundred years in comparison to the age of civilisation, have we moved unnaturally too fast and too far for us and nature to handle ?

Personally, I think we need to back off a bit, use and by that generate less energy and that because the more we have, the more we seem to want ad finitum. Electricity and oil is an aid to living, but we have lived without it with some success for thousands of years, surely we should be compromising a bit more and there not putting so much damned importance in it, which of course means a return to the conservative mentalities of our ancestry, use sparingly, not party on as it seems we are doing now day after day, night after night.

The bulb that burns twice as bright lives half as long, ask yourselves, is this America and are you heading for decline faster than past civilisations, and is that anything to do with your consumption of energy ?


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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 5:46:55 PM   
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I have seen articles on this popping up, and then disappearing for a few days.

How many believe our government would lie to us, or force a news blackout if they could, and the situation was really bad? They have before, and will again. One of the reasons I started the scary common ground topic.

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 6:26:52 PM   
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Okay, once more people, do a google search for the terms "Nebraska Nuclear Plants" click on the news link at the top of the google page, then knock yourselves out.

First story is in the NY Times for chrissake. There is no "Press Blackout." There is no conspiracy to keep the people from knowing anything about the situation.


Do we have another member of the pahunk and realone everything is a conspiracy club?

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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 6:39:25 PM   
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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 7:09:38 PM   
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Okay, once more people, do a google search for the terms "Nebraska Nuclear Plants" click on the news link at the top of the google page, then knock yourselves out.

First story is in the NY Times for chrissake. There is no "Press Blackout." There is no conspiracy to keep the people from knowing anything about the situation.


Do we have another member of the pahunk and realone everything is a conspiracy club?



Do you not find that there is a growing tendancy to not trust governmental actions in your country, for one thing is certain, what many call conspiracy theories are definately on the rise.

But as the conspiracy theories are on the rise, there is also those that proclaim themselves to be totally trusting of the power mechanisms that operate above us and they are the ones that are generally quick to play down anything that might be alternative thinking even as a conspiracy theory, as you will notice, it is the non conspiracy theorists that actually apply the term conspiracy theory to anything they perceive as against their trust of the governmental power mechanisms.

Maybe, perhaps even many are starting to remember the good advice to always question authority or else be conquered by it and I do believe what with many bordering on unconstitutional laws coming into existence since that most horrible attack on the WTC, many are feeling their constitutional rights under attack and slowly being eroded on an almost daily basis, by laws created for whatever may or may not come, of course to protect you.

But the wtc was not the target despite the fact it was, for the real target was the American people, the society breaking up from within and that caused by the fear mongering of the rabid mouths and laws created just in case. Carry on this way, and the terrorists have effectively won, but don't be surprised if as soon as you realise what dark paths you have allowed yourself to be lead down, there will be yet another successful attack despite your laws which will give cause to more laws and further erosions of your freedoms and that but yet another conspiracy theory based upon logical thought of how to be given control of people.


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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 7:39:29 PM   
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If this is in reply to me, maybe you should research my posts. You won't find any that say there is a conspiracy.

Now as far as the Nebraska incident goes, look back a little further and find out how 3 workers were exposed to radiation. Find the conflicting reports on exactly what level emergency was declared, and clarified. If you want to compare this to the Japenese incident, our experts here could tell it was worse by the information being given. Just like some foreign news agencies are doing the same about Nebraska.

Now do I believe those? I am not sure, all I know is what I stated, that information has been revised from reading it a day or two earlier, and that we are likely not getting all the information.


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RE: Paranoia or reality? - 6/20/2011 8:02:58 PM   
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Who runs your nuclear power stations, state or private corporations ?

With the latter, I would be worried, why, because of the  shareholder profit/ service/safety equation

Although Britain has had a nuclear disaster an incident which reached level 5 on the 7point scale of the international nuclear event scale in 1957 which resulted in the name of the adjoining town being changed from Windscale to Sellafield. This was matched by the incident at Three Mile Island, but exceeded by Chernobyl and Fukushima Daiichi which reached level 7, major accident.

But, looking at the scale on wikipedia brings home the fact that Nuclear energy is anything but safe of those incidents that have been recorded and catagorised.

But interesting in that the UK Windscale plant was initially built to make plutonium for atom bombs and it was because of advanced weapons requirements that the level 5 disaster happened in the first place.

Fucking war mongers again.


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