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tj444 -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 8:56:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 Well, if you work for someone else, you are under their thumb. I found that out when I was 20, I was harassed by a supervisor, and figured out that when you put your livelihood in someone elses hands, you lose control of your life from 9 to 5. I decided that I couldnt be a wage slave and that I could only work for myself. I know most people dont have what it takes to do that but they are the ones that decide to take a job or leave it and find a better job, and even a new city with better job prospects. Life isnt always equal and fair but there is always someone out there that has it worse than you. Unemployment at 15% and you want them to "get" another job. [8\|] If they are that unhappy with the one they have then that is their choice. Maybe they would find that the job at Walmart isnt as bad as they thought.

Lucylastic -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 8:56:13 AM)
Tj44 the fact that he is being exploited doesnt matter to you at all? didnt think it would

tazzygirl -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 8:58:25 AM)
quote: If they are that unhappy with the one they have then that is their choice. Maybe they would find that the job at Walmart isnt as bad as they thought. So just accept being screwed over. Wow, you keep digging that hole deeper and deeper dont ya.

slvemike4u -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:01:59 AM)
Critical thinking is,obviously,not a strong suit heh? Just fire off any old thing that comes to mind and leave it at that. Which of course begs the question......why come here ? I mean this section is populated by those that like to look at a thing....turn it around in their mind a bit and come up with an actual opinion.The opinions tend to differ,but that is okay....we all come at things from different pov,hence we see things different.....you just pretty much fire off a sort of "fuck'em" post and call it a day.Polls and Random Stupidity might just be a better fit for you [8\|]

tj444 -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:13:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: The point is that you are responsible for your own life, if you dont like something then change it. And part of that change is making walmart follow labor laws. Or did that miss your understanding? quote: Walmart expoits people and other companies (in the US and in other countries), that is how they get those "everyday low prices" that so many consumers love so much. That should be no surprise to anyone. "Be the change you want to see in the world" I like that philosophy. Instead of saying "Fuck it" and running, these women are standing up to a company. But, in your world, that doesnt count as effecting a change. quote: But for some people, they would not think they were exploited by Walmart to have those jobs that others dont want. I know a guy that was unemployed for a long time that got a job at Walmart and he is happy with it, he is at the bottom, he pushes carts back to the store and does door greater/security, cashier, etc. He likely will not be making it up to management ever. He is just happy to have that job, and not complaining about being exploited. A GUY???? Your comparison to a class of women being discriminated is to bring in an example of a MAN who is happy? Please tell me you arent that lacking in intelligence. Why should it matter if it is a man or a woman? He is at the bottom his sex plays no part in the fact that he is at the bottom. If Walmart isnt following labor laws then those women have recourse, even tho a class action lawsuit has not been allowed. As someone else said, individual lawsuits would cost Walmart a lot more in the end. And maybe that is what they need. When I was younger, the union went on strike and it lasted 6 weeks, in the end we got only a very small increase in wages and imo, the fight wasnt worth the "win" (no matter the spin the union put on it). It is up to these women if they feel it is worth fighting Walmart or "running", as you put it. I dont see it as running, i see it as keeping your sanity and making a change to be happier in the end. If someone wants to fight and believe that the fight is worth the time, effort and headache, then they should do that. I have sued in small claims court because i believed that i should and those that i sued needed to be bitch slapped a little. It was not easy for me, it took a lot of time (since i was my own lawyer and needed to research well to fight experienced lawyers). But I know what that effort cost me emotionally and its not something i would want to go thru again. Sometimes you do have to just cut your losses for your own sanity. That is a persons choice, each one should do what is best for them.

tj444 -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:16:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Tj44 the fact that he is being exploited doesnt matter to you at all? didnt think it would exactly how is he being exploited?

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:23:33 AM)
when i worked for walmart, i saw a lot of similar stuff. i'm in no hurry to work for them again. we had one elderly woman who was a door greeter, and she'd be at the door for hours without a break. a manager would wander by and say "oh i'm going to find someone to fill in for you while you take a break" and just wouldn't come back. it got the point where the rest of us would just go up and ask if she'd had a break yet, and fill in for her ourselves. walmart has LOADS of issues when it comes to its employees. individual lawsuits would be a great idea in this case. but seriously, tell me how an elderly woman in her 70s-80s is supposed to just "find another job" because the one she has treats her unfairly? they also kept many elderly people from working full-time hours,which cost them their health benefits, even though these people relied on their health benefits to afford their medications. but in case you've been living under a rock, hiring for the elderly is pretty much impossible. people see them as a liability, and walmart sees them as people who will put up with a lot of shit because they have no other choice. if you're okay with excuse that as "well you have a choice," then that's fine. but it makes no sense to me and i find it absolutely irresponsible.

Lucylastic -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:29:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Tj44 the fact that he is being exploited doesnt matter to you at all? didnt think it would exactly how is he being exploited? Youve never known anyone who has worked for Walmart have you, part time hours only yet are actually doing more hours per week than fulltime workers and gettin no vacation or benefits I m guessing you dont care to, and would put up lame excuses as to what he could or should do. Not everyone has your abilities or mind set, or background, but you would like everyone to do the things you do, WHY? One mans happiness is anothers misery.. Edited to add.yeah what Lilly said tooo!

tazzygirl -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:38:33 AM)
quote: Why should it matter if it is a man or a woman? He is at the bottom his sex plays no part in the fact that he is at the bottom. Do you see a suit from men? Men are paid more... that is the basis for the complaint from the women. Men are given more chances of advancement. They are paid less than men. Why on earth would a man complain about that? quote: If Walmart isnt following labor laws then those women have recourse, even tho a class action lawsuit has not been allowed. As someone else said, individual lawsuits would cost Walmart a lot more in the end. And maybe that is what they need. quote: It is up to these women if they feel it is worth fighting Walmart or "running", as you put it. I dont see it as running, i see it as keeping your sanity and making a change to be happier in the end. Some people run having a "its all about me" attitude. Some people stay and fight. The cotton mills in the south were one of these "fight" instances. According to the plaintiffs, though 72% of Wal-Mart's hourly sales employees are women, women represent only 33% of the company's managers. The suit contends that 56% of managers at the chain's largest competitors are women. This is their fight. Argue it.

SternSkipper -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:39:35 AM)
quote: Please don't stab women. Thank you. Hahahaha ... when I first saw this in the list on the basis of the topic alone, I thought for a second "Hmmm... does this mean Tazzy's gonna give bi another shot?" Okay, so I'm a little ashamed. [:D]

tj444 -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:40:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep when i worked for walmart, i saw a lot of similar stuff. i'm in no hurry to work for them again. we had one elderly woman who was a door greeter, and she'd be at the door for hours without a break. a manager would wander by and say "oh i'm going to find someone to fill in for you while you take a break" and just wouldn't come back. it got the point where the rest of us would just go up and ask if she'd had a break yet, and fill in for her ourselves. walmart has LOADS of issues when it comes to its employees. individual lawsuits would be a great idea in this case. but seriously, tell me how an elderly woman in her 70s-80s is supposed to just "find another job" because the one she has treats her unfairly? they also kept many elderly people from working full-time hours,which cost them their health benefits, even though these people relied on their health benefits to afford their medications. but in case you've been living under a rock, hiring for the elderly is pretty much impossible. people see them as a liability, and walmart sees them as people who will put up with a lot of shit because they have no other choice. if you're okay with excuse that as "well you have a choice," then that's fine. but it makes no sense to me and i find it absolutely irresponsible. There are a lot of stupid managers and they dont all work for Walmart but that sounds like it is that managers fault and not corporate policy. Imo, a lot of companies restrict hours and seniors are not alone in that. I have worked at several part-time jobs at the same time due to that as well, it sucks but there is no law being broken. Yes, it is hard for a senior to find another job but the article was about women, not seniors. I would guess tho that the senior could just have asked the manager that she could arrange on her own with another employee to switch to take a break, to take that duty off the managers desk. With some people you need to offer them a solution and present it in the light that it is to their benefit so they can agree to it.

tazzygirl -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:43:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: Please don't stab women. Thank you. Hahahaha ... when I first saw this in the list on the basis of the topic alone, I thought for a second "Hmmm... does this mean Tazzy's gonna give bi another shot?" Okay, so I'm a little ashamed. [:D] LOL.... you should be.. but not too much. [;)]

DomKen -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:47:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u I agree MM,if FDR couldn't get away with it Obama hasn't a prayer....hence the absolute imperative for a second term.....and than another Democrat.I believe in the pendulum of American politics....I deplore things going to far left or too far right....and as it stands things are just too far right at the moment. I don't,off the top of my head know what the possibilities of impending retirements are....but the court needs a little left push...just to reach center. Scalia is 75 Thomas is 62 Roberts is 56 Alito is 61 Kennedy is 74 Ginsburg is 78 Breyer is 72 Sotomayor is 56 Kagan is 51 Ginsburg, Breyer and Kennedy might retire if Obama is POTUS. Scalia will try and hang on for a Republican. Kennedy or Scalia would be the ones whose death or retirement would change the outcme of these 5-4 cases.

SternSkipper -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:48:36 AM)
quote: The justices all agreed by a 5-4 vote? How does that work... That part I didnt get, it was part of the article. I think the article was so poorly written it isn't even funny. 1) No mention of the exact nature of the appeal (ie- appeal of an award/judgement of the lower courts) ... it's like we're expected to just know this author is talking about one of the following" a)It's an appeal of the lower court's upholding of an award/judgement b)It's the appeal of a dismissed motion to quit based on fitness of the case based on some criteria (and I guess the journalist in their skilled relating of the saga, knows the reader will just glean that based on the decision, or perhaps we're all supposed to know that already. c)some other consideration or overlooked and overriding statutory or jurisdictional matter. We have to go outside this journalist's venue to even see what's at the root of the matter: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/business/07bizcourt.html The best I can say for this 'journalist' is they MAY have thought they implied what the NYT EXPLAINS in their earlier article: "The question is not whether there was discrimination but rather whether the claims by the individual employees may be combined as a class action. The court’s decision on that issue will almost certainly affect all sorts of class-action suits, including ones asserting antitrust, securities and product liability. " But that line "The justices all agreed by a 5-4 vote" takes the cake.

SternSkipper -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:54:37 AM)
quote: LOL.... you should be.. but not too much. Since you won't substantiate that's your real rack in your profile, I can only be 'a little ashamed' Given the circumstances, it's the best I can do[:D]

juliaoceania -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:54:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Maybe the key is for women to quit working there as much as possible... If you have no court which will give you justice, seek it elsewhere Maybe we could also link women's rights groups to a boycott of the retailer too? Maybe the key is for women to quit working... For a day, a week, however long it takes for justice. Where do I sign up[:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:58:16 AM)
Thanks Ken...if there hadn't been so much bullshit going on here at my place...I probably would have taken the trouble....but thank you for laying it out for me.[:)] it is how I feared....not only must one hope for an Obama second term....but it would appear we will need a third Democratic Oval Office....since IMO voters tend to be a little reactionary I fear that is a long shot.

tazzygirl -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 9:59:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: LOL.... you should be.. but not too much. Since you won't substantiate that's your real rack in your profile, I can only be 'a little ashamed' Given the circumstances, it's the best I can do[:D] I was never asked. Ah well. [:D]

tj444 -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 10:05:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Why should it matter if it is a man or a woman? He is at the bottom his sex plays no part in the fact that he is at the bottom. Do you see a suit from men? Men are paid more... that is the basis for the complaint from the women. Men are given more chances of advancement. They are paid less than men. Why on earth would a man complain about that? quote: If Walmart isnt following labor laws then those women have recourse, even tho a class action lawsuit has not been allowed. As someone else said, individual lawsuits would cost Walmart a lot more in the end. And maybe that is what they need. quote: It is up to these women if they feel it is worth fighting Walmart or "running", as you put it. I dont see it as running, i see it as keeping your sanity and making a change to be happier in the end. Some people run having a "its all about me" attitude. Some people stay and fight. The cotton mills in the south were one of these "fight" instances. According to the plaintiffs, though 72% of Wal-Mart's hourly sales employees are women, women represent only 33% of the company's managers. The suit contends that 56% of managers at the chain's largest competitors are women. This is their fight. Argue it. The man I was referring to is at the bottom, I am sure he would like to be higher up and paid more too if wishes were horses. He is not who you are now referring to. Imo, it is up to each company who they hire to be managers. It is up to each company how much they offer in wages for each job (as long as it is at or above minimum wage). Just because one company offers $x/hour doesnt mean that every competitor will offer that, it might be more or less or the same. Personally, if i wanted the best, i would pay more than my competitors (maybe that is what Walmarts competitor does?). If a competitor pays less then chances are that company is getting what they are paying for, someone with less qualifications and less productive, etc. Not every employee is the same in qualifications and what they bring to the company, why should they all get paid the same? That punishes the good ones & is a disincentive to them and rewards the not so good ones. Jmo. Just maybe Walmart's employee situation is part of why they are losing sales and income even in a recession with their every day low prices.

SternSkipper -> RE: Another stab at women. (6/21/2011 10:06:19 AM)
quote: I was never asked. Ah well. If I asked and got an affirmative, I would have to constantly fight off the urge to figure out who I know at fema who could forcibly relocate you to new england. And around you, I feel a need for the illusion of gentlemanly behavior[:D]

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