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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/24/2011 12:36:12 PM   
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What ever you can say about Al Gore being a hypocrite he has got a point. The global problems we are seeing today can all be drawn down to overpopulation. Things like dwindling fossil fuel reserves, the CO2 build up. The lack of food, and a host of other problems. Today the world population is 6 billion people. If for argument sake the number would be half, a lot of our problems would be solved. Projections are that in less than 20 years the world population would be doubled again. It is a perfect recipe for disaster. The problem is not a western problem as our population growth is static or reclining. But the third world as such the population is growing at an alarming. Even the western world could do with a lower birth rate and I must say that the only ones who have done something about it was the Chinese “one child policy”. It might sound cruel but someday we have to adapt it globally to ensure we still can live on this planet.

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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/24/2011 1:04:55 PM   
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While I totally support PP and what they do. I have to wonder about this. I have know a lot of women who have used birth control and none of them have gotten it from PP. They have all gone to their private doctor for the script. Now if they were going to make birth control illegal I could understand the statement, but from what I have read that is not the case. So how is this forcing them to be pregnant? Why can't they go to their doctor for the pill?

Oh and just for the record. Not all repubs are pro-life and not all dems are pro-choice.


2009 PP fact sheet

Reversible Contraception Clients, Women** 2,327,662

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_Services.pdf

As I said, millions have obtained birth control through PP.

Why cant they go to their Doctor? This is a service for many who dont have Doctors, who dont have insurance, or who have insurance but it wont cover birth control.



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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/24/2011 1:59:01 PM   
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Well, Im not Lucy... but...

Trying to shut down Planned Parenthood which would deny millions of women access to birth control... other than abortions.

Wanting to deny women the right to abortions

Consistently targeting those programs designed to help women and children.


While I totally support PP and what they do. I have to wonder about this. I have know a lot of women who have used birth control and none of them have gotten it from PP. They have all gone to their private doctor for the script. Now if they were going to make birth control illegal I could understand the statement, but from what I have read that is not the case. So how is this forcing them to be pregnant? Why can't they go to their doctor for the pill?

Because PP is their doctor?


I see you comprehension skills haven't improved any, have they?


Are you really that clueless? PP clinics are quite often the only option for birth control for women on Medicaid or completely without insurance. You are of course welcome to google "indiana planned parenthood" and find out for yourself.


I said everyone I know on BC got it from their doctor. You said "Because PP is their doctor?"

If you had read my post you wouldn't have asked such a stupid question but I can understand why you can't admit you were wrong.

Now your going to change it to Indiana. So they don't have doctors in Indiana that accept medicaid or they don't have doctors in Indiana that give out birth control? Or maybe medicaid patients are only allowed to go to PP there.


You asked a fucking question and I answered it. Your attempts at playing dumb, while convincing, are getting boring.
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Why can't they go to their doctor for the pill?

Now go find somewhere else to troll.

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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/24/2011 2:49:56 PM   
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You asked a fucking question and I answered it.
Was that an answer? "Because PP is their doctor?" Well like I said before it only shows you have no comprehension skills.

Your attempts at playing dumb, while convincing, are getting boring.
And you standard insults when proven wrong about something are just business as usual on cm. Kinda like the time you called someone a racist because they referred to Bush as a chimp and then couldn't admit you were wrong. Nothing new there.


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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/24/2011 3:21:50 PM   
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You asked a fucking question and I answered it.
Was that an answer? "Because PP is their doctor?" Well like I said before it only shows you have no comprehension skills.


You asked
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Why can't they go to their doctor for the pill?

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Because PP is their doctor?

Which was clear and to the point. I guess your ability to read is as limited as your sense of humor.

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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/24/2011 3:38:23 PM   
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I understood it Ken,
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For me, and what started this part of the thread......the whole point is the cutting of PP for milions of women who CANT or DONT have the money to see anyone else but PP. For WHATEVER reason
not regular "lucky" women who can afford to go private or those who have the insurance or ways to get to a health center, obviously PP has millions of women that cant ... to deny that is idiotic.
I offered earlier in the thread.......If you would like to discuss the fallout from the huge number of  bills out there in lawyer land planning to cut women's rights over their family planning, health and childrens services, then go right ahead, otherwise Im not really interested in playing semantics




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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/24/2011 3:57:09 PM   
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Ah, you mean those women who can have D&C's.

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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/24/2011 4:44:47 PM   
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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/24/2011 11:55:18 PM   
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Well, Im not Lucy... but...

Trying to shut down Planned Parenthood which would deny millions of women access to birth control... other than abortions.

How does our government not funding birth control and abortions force women to get pregnant or have children?

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Wanting to deny women the right to abortions

Again, how does this force women to get pregnant or have children?

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Consistently targeting those programs designed to help women and children.

Such as? Other than planned parenthood, I'm not aware of any programs targeted by the republicans or democrats that 'help' women. Additionally, I don't know of any bill that would force planned parenthood to shut down.

As a man, I'm quite aware of the fact that when I have sex, I'm taking the chance that I may be forced to care for and provide for any offspring I may create by that action. I don't have birth-control pills, nor are any available to me. Why are women special? The government (that you and I pay for) should fund programs that allow them to have sex without consequences? Where the hell do I sign up for that program - because I damn well am going to be forced to face the consequences of having sex if something comes of it.

Sorry ladies, I'm glad birth control is available to you but I sure as hell don't want my tax dollars paying for it. You want to have sex, great - either pay for some pills or be prepared for possible consequences.

No person, and no government is FORCING anyone - woman or man - to get pregnant. You want to avoid getting pregnant? Keep your legs firmly closed.

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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 12:06:46 AM   
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Such as? Other than planned parenthood, I'm not aware of any programs targeted by the republicans or democrats that 'help' women


Then you are either lying or speaking from a place of ignorance

A Thread I started a few months back.


House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) last week released the House Republicans first round of proposed budget cuts, laying out about $32 billion in overall cuts, but without naming any specific program reductions. Ryan has been justifying his refusal to name a specific program that he’d cut from the budget by punting to the Appropriations Committee. “[Naming specifics] is what is gonna happen in the appropriations process down the road. So I can’t tell you the answer to that because, as a budget committee person, we simply lower the cap and then those things go down,” Ryan said.

Today, the Appropriations Committee — chaired by Rep. Hal Rogers (R-KY) — released the specific cuts that House Republicans are proposing to get below Ryan’s cap. Of course, the cuts consist of reductions to common GOP bogeymen like the National Endowment for the Arts and Amtrak. But the House Republicans have a preoccupation with cutting programs that affect women and their babies. For instance, the GOP proposed:

– Cutting $758 million from the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), which amounts to about a 6 percent cut to a program providing food assistance to low-income women and their infants.

– Cutting $210 million from Maternal and Child Health Block Grants, which amounts to about a 33 percent cut in a program giving low-income pregnant women, mothers and their children access to health care.

– Cutting $27 million from the Poison Control Center, which would essentially eliminate a program supporting local poison control centers and funding a hotline directing residents to their local poison control office. Poisoning disproportionately affects children, with half the exposures at the National Poison Control Center last year occurring to children younger than six.

The House Republicans second-largest cut is to community health centers ($1.1 billion). In 2008, about one-third of community health center patients were children.

In the grand scheme of deficit reduction, these cuts will do absolutely nothing, but they will have extremely detrimental effects for those who depend upon the targeted programs. This shows the folly of the GOP’s approach to budgeting, which leaves huge parts of the federal budget immune to cuts (like the Pentagon), while taking an axe to non-defense discretionary spending. These cuts outlined above total about $1 billion, while simply retiring (and not replacing) one carrier battle group and its aircraft wing would save $1.5 billion.

“Make no mistake, these cuts are not low-hanging fruit,” Rogers said in the statement. “These cuts are real and will impact every District across the country — including my own.” While they may impact every district, they certainly don’t spread the pain equally


http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/09/gop-women-children-cuts/

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Sorry ladies, I'm glad birth control is available to you but I sure as hell don't want my tax dollars paying for it. You want to have sex, great - either pay for some pills or be prepared for possible consequences.


But its perfectly OK for your tax dollars to pay for viagra.

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As a man, I'm quite aware of the fact that when I have sex, I'm taking the chance that I may be forced to care for and provide for any offspring I may create by that action. I don't have birth-control pills, nor are any available to me. Why are women special? The government (that you and I pay for) should fund programs that allow them to have sex without consequences? Where the hell do I sign up for that program - because I damn well am going to be forced to face the consequences of having sex if something comes of it.


And as men, you bitch moan and whine when a man is forced to pay for your responsibilities. Interesting how the system is set up for all the sex in the world.... yet speak about reproductive rights and caring for the offspring that TWO adults created, and it comes back to... Not on my tax dollars.

But, a question for you. Who do you think pays for those children from unwanted pregnancies after men pop a little blue pill and go on a fuck fest? Thats right, tax payers!

Keep it in your pants and this becomes a moot point, doesnt it. Oh wait, you dont want that to happen either.

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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 1:36:39 AM   
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You want to avoid getting pregnant? Keep your legs firmly closed.

PPtk


How well does this work in cases of rape?

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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 2:04:08 AM   
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Additionally, I don't know of any bill that would force planned parenthood to shut down




This was already pointed out a few posts above. You seem educated, but readings skills come into question here. Aside from the fact that PP and birth control issues have been an ongoing target of some self-described 'conservative' groups for decades.


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How does our government not funding birth control and abortions force women to get pregnant or have children?



It does not 'force' pregnancy. Nature has a very strong inclination towards procreation, in case that might have escaped notice. In that effort, nature does not discriminate according to intellect, social circumstance, or care much about anything called civilization. It is up to the putatively civilized society to figure that one out. You are arguing against that and preferring the crude measues of pre-civilization, i.e., let them populate as happens, then die as happens.

When the multitudes of offspring from unprepared and overwhelmed teen parents start banging at the doors, we'll just send them to your place, how's that? You can give them your spiel on birth control and many other subjects at that time.

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As a man, I'm quite aware of the fact that when I have sex, I'm taking the chance that I may be forced to care for and provide for any offspring I may create by that action.



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You want to avoid getting pregnant? Keep your legs firmly closed.



Reconcile this for us here.

You are aware of the consequences; apparently mere 'awareness' suffices for 'responsibility' on your part, but ultimately the onus is on the woman to keep her legs closed as to save you any such consequences, so that you are safe regardless of the status of your zipper.






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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 2:18:46 AM   
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Such as? Other than planned parenthood, I'm not aware of any programs targeted by the republicans or democrats that 'help' women.

Tazzy nailed this one.
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Additionally, I don't know of any bill that would force planned parenthood to shut down.

Scroll down: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3738116/tm.htm
Kansas is not the only state trying to pull shit like this to get around Roe vs Wade.
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As a man, I'm quite aware of the fact that when I have sex, I'm taking the chance that I may be forced to care for and provide for any offspring I may create by that action. I don't have birth-control pills, nor are any available to me. Why are women special?
Apparently, a hormone based birth control pill for men is coming very soon. It will be interesting to see how many men will go for it when they have to accept the side effects like women do, yet can no longer complain that they don't have a pill.

That said, last time I checked, PP clinics give out free condoms to both women AND men. Yep, free raincoats for lil soldiers available to men at no cost. Such programs not only help prevent unwanted pregnancy, they also help reduce the spread of STDs. What a terrible waste of tax dollars.
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The government (that you and I pay for) should fund programs that allow them to have sex without consequences? Where the hell do I sign up for that program - because I damn well am going to be forced to face the consequences of having sex if something comes of it.
Ummm, just who do you think 'them' women on the pill are having sex with?? Hint: lesbians don't need a pill to prevent pregnancy.
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Sorry ladies, I'm glad birth control is available to you but I sure as hell don't want my tax dollars paying for it. You want to have sex, great - either pay for some pills or be prepared for possible consequences.

OK, the money thing. Here we go
Cluenema- poor or otherwise unprepared women having kids costs more in tax dollars than helping prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place ever will.

You don't want your tax dollars going for birth control or abortions? Fine. Many more of your tax dollars will then go to welfare, WIC, food stamps, CPS and foster care. Once a kid is born, s/he is a citizen of this country and has rights, regardless of who the mother is. Those rights cost taxpayer dollars, so I hope you are ready to pony up.

Do you happen to know what a month of foster care costs for a single child when (not if) that child is taken because neither parent is qualified, can afford the costs, or is ready to actually be a parent? $400-$700 every month, minimum.
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No person, and no government is FORCING anyone - woman or man - to get pregnant. You want to avoid getting pregnant? Keep your legs firmly closed.

I love it when people say this. The plain fact is that it simply does not work. Never has, never will. Humans are are sexual animals, and cultural attempts to repress that sexuality completely tend to have bad results (do I really need to spell this out?) In the end, those who can afford birth control will use it; those who can't afford it will still have sex.

I see that DeviantlyD already posted my other comment on the 'legs closed' thing. Thanks DD!



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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 2:37:41 AM   
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I see that DeviantlyD already posted my other comment on the 'legs closed' thing. Thanks DD!



You're most welcome. And thanks for stating some of the thoughts that my over-tired brain couldn't quite verbalize. ;) Well done!

Your term "cluenema"...*LOL*...it reminded me of this.


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"We've had complaints about 'orgy noises'. This is not the neighborhood for that kind of thing"- PVE Cop

One wonders that if it wasn't the "neighbourhood for that kind of thing" how the "neighbourhood" would know what "orgy noises" sounded like. :D

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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 3:07:24 AM   
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Your term "cluenema"...*LOL*...it reminded me of this.

I'm hoping that 'cluenema' will someday be added to the Word of the Day thread. After all, every other type of enema imaginable has already been posted about on the forums.
That said, I have been known to cmail the clupon to certain deserving individuals
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One wonders that if it wasn't the "neighbourhood for that kind of thing" how the "neighbourhood" would know what "orgy noises" sounded like. :D
Short answer: They didn't. What they heard was one sub (loudly) enjoying wax play out by the pool and the rest of us being amused by her performance. IIRC, when we were told of the complaint, LadyPact said something like, "Geez, those people really don't know what an orgy sounds like, do they??" 


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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 3:57:54 AM   
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That musta been some hot wax! *LOL*

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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 5:48:43 AM   
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Algore ... is telling us to stop having children.

Hm, apparently the attempt to reduce world population by unleashing HIV on the world has now been deemed a failure. (Though I recently heard that the wife of a far acquaintance has been infected with the virus.)

Our rulers are convinced that world population is exploding out of all proportion - and they will do anything to stop that and to bring down the population, including releasing deathly diseases - that is why killer influenza viruses are being researched - and starting a nuclear war (but they would rather not, for nuclear war scares them themselves).

They got trapped by their own introduction of democracy and eradication of Christian religion. Population control is far easier in dictatorial regimes.


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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 9:57:57 AM   
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Well, Im not Lucy... but...

Trying to shut down Planned Parenthood which would deny millions of women access to birth control... other than abortions.

How does our government not funding birth control and abortions force women to get pregnant or have children?

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Wanting to deny women the right to abortions

Again, how does this force women to get pregnant or have children?

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Consistently targeting those programs designed to help women and children.

Such as? Other than planned parenthood, I'm not aware of any programs targeted by the republicans or democrats that 'help' women. Additionally, I don't know of any bill that would force planned parenthood to shut down.

As a man, I'm quite aware of the fact that when I have sex, I'm taking the chance that I may be forced to care for and provide for any offspring I may create by that action. I don't have birth-control pills, nor are any available to me. Why are women special? The government (that you and I pay for) should fund programs that allow them to have sex without consequences? Where the hell do I sign up for that program - because I damn well am going to be forced to face the consequences of having sex if something comes of it.

Sorry ladies, I'm glad birth control is available to you but I sure as hell don't want my tax dollars paying for it. You want to have sex, great - either pay for some pills or be prepared for possible consequences.

No person, and no government is FORCING anyone - woman or man - to get pregnant. You want to avoid getting pregnant? Keep your legs firmly closed.

PPtk


Now I understand why you didnt respond to me... you just wanted to make a mockery of the issues and make it about women vs mens responsibility on birth control.
Colour me surprised.



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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 10:01:38 AM   
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Which still makes the stated goal to be a reduced birth rate. 

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RE: Gore promoting fewer children to curb pollution - 6/25/2011 10:06:29 AM   
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well the repubs are trying to make sure women of the US get preggers and force them to have the children
where does the madness stop?


yeah, those evil Republicans are FORCING you to have unprotected sex, at the point of a GUN!


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