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Brain -> Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/22/2011 8:48:26 PM)

If you really want to know what Al Gore thinks about anything or what he has to say about climate change I think it would be better and it's only fair to read what he has to say in his own words instead of other people taking him out of context.
 
  
Climate of Denial
Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison?
By Al Gore
June 22, 2011 7:45 AM ET
 
The referee — in this analogy, the news media — seems confused about whether he is in the news business or the entertainment business. Is he responsible for ensuring a fair match? Or is he part of the show, selling tickets and building the audience? The referee certainly seems distracted: by Donald Trump, Charlie Sheen, the latest reality show — the list of serial obsessions is too long to enumerate here.
This script, of course, is not entirely new: A half-century ago, when Science and Reason established the linkage between cigarettes and lung diseases, the tobacco industry hired actors, dressed them up as doctors, and paid them to look into television cameras and tell people that the linkage revealed in the Surgeon General's Report was not real at all. The show went on for decades, with more Americans killed each year by cigarettes than all of the U.S. soldiers killed in all of World War II.

This time, the scientific consensus is even stronger. It has been endorsed by every National Academy of science of every major country on the planet, every major professional scientific society related to the study of global warming and 98 percent of climate scientists throughout the world. In the latest and most authoritative study by 3,000 of the very best scientific experts in the world, the evidence was judged "unequivocal."

But wait! The good guys transgressed the rules of decorum, as evidenced in their private e-mails that were stolen and put on the Internet. The referee is all over it: Penalty! Go to your corner! And in their 3,000-page report, the scientists made some mistakes! Another penalty! And if more of the audience is left confused about whether the climate crisis is real? Well, the show must go on. After all, it's entertainment. There are tickets to be sold, eyeballs to glue to the screen.
 
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So how can we make it happen? How can we as individuals make a difference? In five basic ways:
 


  • First, become a committed advocate for solving the crisis.


  • Second, deepen your commitment by making consumer choices that reduce energy use and reduce your impact on the environment


  • Third, join an organization committed to action on this issue


  • Fourth, contact your local newspapers and television stations when they put out claptrap on climate — and let them know you're fed up with their stubborn and cowardly resistance to reporting the facts of this issue


  • Finally, and above all, don't give up on the political system

To make our elected leaders take action to solve the climate crisis, we must forcefully communicate the following message: "I care a lot about global warming; I am paying very careful attention to the way you vote and what you say about it; if you are on the wrong side, I am not only going to vote against you, I will work hard to defeat you — regardless of party. If you are on the right side, I will work hard to elect you."

Why do you think President Obama and Congress changed their game on "don't ask, don't tell?" It happened because enough Americans delivered exactly that tough message to candidates who wanted their votes. When enough people care passionately enough to drive that message home on the climate crisis, politicians will look at their hole cards, and enough of them will change their game to make all the difference we need.

This is not naive; trust me on this. It may take more individual voters to beat the Polluters and Ideologues now than it once did — when special-interest money was less dominant. But when enough people speak this way to candidates, and convince them that they are dead serious about it, change will happen — both in Congress and in the White House. As the great abolitionist leader Frederick Douglass once observed, "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will."

The climate crisis, in reality, is a struggle for the soul of America. It is about whether or not we are still capable — given the ill health of our democracy and the current dominance of wealth over reason — of perceiving important and complex realities clearly enough to promote and protect the sustainable well-being of the many. What hangs in the balance is the future of civilization as we know it.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/climate-of-denial-20110622?page=1
 
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Termyn8or -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/22/2011 9:00:20 PM)

Have your personal Utopia then.

I burned mine I think. I have no idea where I left it but I remember it well. It was filled with money and cigaretters and cocaine and PCP and mescaline and microdot and I don't even remember what else. I don't care if I die today, really, and I am not one bit depressed. I have had three childhoods, and lived more than most. My doctor said if I kept care of myself I could live for ANOTHER fifty years. FUCK THAT !

I'll drink to that, and light one up. I am the freest person alive, as I consider the future to be null and void. The only good things I do in life are for those who will or must continue. I have no personal interest in even waking up on the morrow. I will, but so what.

So what. Eventually someone is going to burn this planet to the ground,,,,,, er the mantle ? Something like that. I don't particularly care anymore if I am around or not. There is no solution. Either eighty percenty of you die or I die. Other than that, nothing changes.

T^T




tweakabelle -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 1:28:00 AM)

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There is no solution. Either eighty percenty of you die or I die. Other than that, nothing changes.


Gee T ^ T you're nice guy and I love you to death ........ but what do you think will happen when the 80% starts asking that question?

Thanks for the memories. Who should I address the wreaths to?




servantforuse -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 3:45:31 AM)

Al Gore is a fraud.




Kirata -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 5:25:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I consider the future to be null and void.

Or at least 500GB of it, eh? [:D]

K.








eihwaz -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 5:54:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
Al Gore is a fraud.

Yawn...




Kirata -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 5:58:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison?

Sometimes ya gotta wonder, eh?

Climate Change Science

~Courtesy of Friends of Science.

K.




pahunkboy -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 6:18:47 AM)

The 'solution" that brings in the most monetary reward- is the one which will prevail.



Holy cow- I could be a politician on that line!   hehe




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 6:31:09 AM)

One can certainly debate the causes of climate change, but it is stupid to deny it is happening. Since we obviously are not willing to change our life styles to minimize it, guess we better adapt.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 6:38:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison?

Sometimes ya gotta wonder, eh?

Climate Change Science

~Courtesy of Friends of Science.

K.

The Truth about "Friends of Science"





mnottertail -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 6:39:45 AM)

What is being lost in the 'Global Warming' misnomer here, is that mainstream science in droves absolutely believes that climate change is occurring and that human foibles are affecting it greatly and primarily.




pahunkboy -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 6:42:48 AM)

This is one topic that I am sick of.    Anyone who is worried- send your money in to fix it.     And be happy.   Leave your hand out of my pocket tho. 




DomKen -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 7:07:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Brain

Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison?

Sometimes ya gotta wonder, eh?

Climate Change Science

~Courtesy of Friends of Science.

K.

The Truth about "Friends of Science"



Isn't it amazing how every time someone posts some scientist who doubts AGW it is trivial to show they are in the oil inductry's pocket?




Aneirin -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 10:29:52 AM)

Whether some scientists are in the pocket of the oil industry or not, it  does not matter, because oil will either run out, be come too expensive to extract, or simply become too expensive for the majority to afford, so the majority will be looking at other alternatives. Whether this happens sooner or later, is rather immaterial, but the point is, it will happen at some point, so alternative energy is worth thinking about for all, including those oil industry giants, if only for them to maintain their profits, as one thing is for sure, such companies, won't be closing down when oil runs out, they will already have got their fingers in other potential profiteering products.

But as for the scientist that supposedly has the oil industry hand up their arse, they really should look to their own future, because when it all goes pear shaped, what use are they, they are the deniers after all.

But in this world of mucho information, what do you do, who do you believe,when conspiracy says those who should be independant in this mire you are told are in the employ of the enemy ? But of those who list others as in the employ of the enemy, why do they do that, to shut them up, negate their oppinion as it seems to me some would be very happy if we all thought the same.

The bottom line is, when our current energy source becomes too expensive, either we will peacefully convert to whatever is available, or else all hell will break loose, I expect the latter, and in particular as far as this board is concerned and the majority nationality here, America will be on the streets guns in hand demanding of the government.

And that is why a president that promised peace and promised ridding the dependance on foreign oil has not yet done so, nothing viable yet exists on a large scale to be cheaper than foreign oil, why this is, is anyone's guess, (insert favourite conspiracy theory here), but until there is something, el presidento has just got to knuckle down and bring in the oil, as without oil, without energy, it will be anarchy in the US, the powerful will lose their power in the blood bath that ensues.

But because the POTUS, in fact any country's head honcho has to bring in the energy, we will be involved in yet more conflicts to come, as we all know the oil market has newer and perhaps bigger buyers in it now, buyers, whom we are thinking twice about screwing up their need.

Why I have not mentioned Britain as being on the streets, is because we in Britain are too divided and too beaten, yeah , there will be a few causing aggro, just like there is when our scumbags raise the duty on fuel, but it will fizzle out, as one thing has been noticed about British mentality when faced with an aggressor and that is to wait the situation out and eventually the agressors  get demoralised, get bored and go home. But it is my oppinion that Britain being too divided and in some ways still untrusting of each other like the celts of the past, we won't do anything except do as we are doing now faced with the rise in costs of everything, just cut back, whilst grumbling about it.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 11:03:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Brain

Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison?

Sometimes ya gotta wonder, eh?

Climate Change Science

~Courtesy of Friends of Science.

K.


Thanks for posting Kirata. interesting articles. I had never heard of friends of science so I spent an hour or so perusing their website and researching the group. What I was reading kinda reminded me of those old campaigns about "cigaretes aren't bad for you" sponsored by Phillip Morris.

I did a little digging and here is what I found.

In an August 12, 2006, article The Globe and Mail revealed that the group had received significant funding via anonymous, indirect donations from the oil industry, including a major grant from the Science Education Fund, a donor-directed, flow-through charitable fund at the Calgary Foundation.

In the course of an internal review and audit begun in March of 2007, the University determined that some of the research funds accepted on behalf of the Friends of Science "had been used to support a partisan viewpoint on climate change" and had returned unspent grant money on September 10, 2007, according to a Calgary Foundation statement.[6]

Funding

Friends of Science says they are not funded by corporations.[6] Critics have asserted that the Friends of Science has close links to the oil and gas industry.[7] The Friends of Science say their "efforts to bring balance to the climate change debate are being restricted because of our lack of funding. We have mostly relied upon the good nature of our members, with some contributions from Charitable Foundations. There has also been some funding from “big oil”.


http://www.desmogblog.com/oil-companies-funding-friends-of-science

I'm not saying these friends of science doesn't have some points but it appears they are, in effect, a mouthpiece for big oil.

Personally, I read what they have to say and take it with ALMOST as big a grain of salt as I would an article from Greenpeace.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 11:11:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Brain

Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison?

Sometimes ya gotta wonder, eh?

Climate Change Science

~Courtesy of Friends of Science.

K.

The Truth about "Friends of Science"



Isn't it amazing how every time someone posts some scientist who doubts AGW it is trivial to show they are in the oil inductry's pocket?

What is interesting, Ken is that the Friends of Science group claim on their website that those who publish "the truth about global warming" (quotes are deliberate) risk having their funding cut.

If you look at where their funding comes from though, you see the other side of the see saw. I daresay that if any of their affiliated members did research that showed evidence of man made warming and published it, he would GASSSSSSSP have his funding cut.

It's kind of a case of "Pot, meet Kettle".

That's why I have stated a lot of times that you always need to consider the source and their motivations.

By the way, I don't trust groups like Greenpeace either for the same reason on the opposite end of the spectrum.




Kirata -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 12:31:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

The Truth about "Friends of Science"

One can only question the ethics of those who attack the messenger in an effort to divert attention from the message. The climate science page at Friends of Science is copiously referenced, while Sourcewatch's critique is for the most part a straightforward guilt by association smear seasoned with innuendo.

Most tellingly, it faults Friends of Science for "echoing" conservative positions on specific issues and opposing liberal policies, for example with respect to Kyoto and to classifying CO2 as a "pollutant." But of course, no surprise there. Sourcewatch is a project of the liberal Center for Media and Democracy.

K.





Hippiekinkster -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 1:49:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

The Truth about "Friends of Science"

One can only question the ethics of those who attack the messenger in an effort to divert attention from the message. The climate science page at Friends of Science is copiously referenced, while Sourcewatch's critique is for the most part a straightforward guilt by association smear seasoned with innuendo.

Most tellingly, it faults Friends of Science for "echoing" conservative positions on specific issues and opposing liberal policies, for example with respect to Kyoto and to classifying CO2 as a "pollutant." But of course, no surprise there. Sourcewatch is a project of the liberal Center for Media and Democracy.

K.


So what is your own position on GCC? Is the planet in a long-term warming trend? Is it due to increased levels of CO2? Are the increased levels of CO2 anthropogenic?




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 2:05:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

The Truth about "Friends of Science"

One can only question the ethics of those who attack the messenger in an effort to divert attention from the message. The climate science page at Friends of Science is copiously referenced, while Sourcewatch's critique is for the most part a straightforward guilt by association smear seasoned with innuendo.

Most tellingly, it faults Friends of Science for "echoing" conservative positions on specific issues and opposing liberal policies, for example with respect to Kyoto and to classifying CO2 as a "pollutant." But of course, no surprise there. Sourcewatch is a project of the liberal Center for Media and Democracy.

K.


Debunking the deniers
I find it hilarious that you complain about "attacking the messenger" and then turn around and do the exact same thing in your last sentence.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Climate of Denial - Can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison? (6/23/2011 2:14:09 PM)

Regardless of whether we are causing warming or not, we need to wean ourselves from petroleum as an energy source to we can tell our Arab "friends" to suck our collective ass and EAT their fuckin oil.

I think everyone in the conservative, liberal and independent groups can agree on that.




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