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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 6:41:43 PM   
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Let me draw attention to the fact that that study has been debunked for its obvious bias. Credibility is eye of the beholder. Watch the fucking debate and draw your own conclusions. Then come back with minutae, spin or outright lies about where she isnt credible.


I think we did this before - I gave the Pew methodology and you posted some batshit youtube video. Apologies if it wasn't you.

You made the assertion that Bachmann is credible, why are you so reluctant to back it up?


No, it wasnt me.

I did back it up, you can go right to the source and decide for yourself. Why are you so reluctant to open your eyes and watch the debate?

edit: Apologies, that isnt the study I thought was being referenced. WRT to the one you posted, note that the differences are not statistically significant among the top group, and that the questions used to assess "knowledge" were extremely basic, more pop culture than real politics. AIR it also failed to distinguish between viewers/readers of multiple sources, just what was claimed to be the "primary" source.

And btw, heres a little factoid from your Pew study.:

Republicans and Democrats are equally likely to be represented in the high-knowledge group. But significantly fewer Republicans (26%) than Democrats (31%) fall into the third of the public that knows the least.

This site just happens to have more than its share of Dems in that third category.



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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 7:05:15 PM   
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I've had enough info for years to decide she's not credible. Still waiting for you to support why YOU think she is.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622?page=3

In 2003, after the Massachusetts Supreme Court issued its famous ruling permitting gay marriage, Bachmann proposed an amendment to the Minnesota constitution banning gay marriage — despite the fact that the state legislature had already passed a law making same-sex unions illegal. Even the politicians who were sufficiently gay-phobic to have passed the original anti-marriage law were floored by the brazen pointlessness of Bachmann's bill. "It's unnecessary, it's redundant, it's duplicative," said Assistant Senate Majority Leader Ann Rest.

The episode was classic Bachmann, whose political strategy throughout her career has mostly revolved around having her Little House on the Never-Existed Fundamentalist Prairie sensibilities rocked by something she has read (or misread) in the news, then immediately proposing a horseshit, total-waste-of-everybody's-time legislative action in response. In 2009, after she saw a news story about the Chinese calling on the world to abandon the dollar as its reserve currency, Bachmann somehow took this to mean that the Obama administration might force ordinary Americans to abandon their familiar green dollar bills for some international and no doubt atheist currency. To combat this possibility, Bachmann introduced a resolution to "bar the dollar from being replaced by any foreign currency." Even after the gaffe was made public, Bachmann pressed on, challenging Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner to "categorically renounce the United States moving away from the dollar." Imagine Joe McCarthy dragging Cabinet members into hearings and demanding that they publicly disavow the works of Groucho Marx, and you get a rough idea of the general style of Bachmannian politics.

Bachmann's anti-gay crusade in Minnesota was born of similar stuff. Right from the start, she made sure that everyone knew the awesome importance of the task she was taking on, trying to outlaw an already outlawed practice. "This is probably the biggest issue that will impact our state and our nation in, at least, the last 30 years," she said. She called gay marriage an "earthquake issue," insisting that failure to pass her proposal would mean that "sex curriculum would essentially be taught by the gay community" and that "little K-12 children will be forced to learn that homosexuality is normal, natural, and perhaps they should try it." Much as Sarah Palin's actual speeches sometimes melt indistinguishably into Tina Fey's SNL parodies, Bachmann's anti-gay rhetoric at times features a campy, over-the-top quality that makes it hard to tell her apart from a tranny cabaret act. She described the gay lifestyle as "bondage" and "personal enslavement," even claiming that suicide among gay teens is due not to discrimination but to "the fact of what they're doing."

Bachmann's obsession with gay culture led her to bizarre behavioral extremes. In April 2005, after the State Senate refused to even vote on her constitutional amendment, she hid in the bushes outside the State Capitol during a gay-rights rally. A photo shows Bachmann, only the top of her Stepford head visible, crouched alone in an extreme catcher's squat behind the Capitol shrubbery. She later insisted she wasn't hiding at all, but resting because her heels hurt.

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 7:10:23 PM   
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I've had enough info for years to decide she's not credible. Still waiting for you to support why YOU think she is.



Your refusal to watch the debate and respond to individual issues says all anyone needs to know. I HAVE supported why I (and most news sources ) think she is. She established it very clearly in the debate. But keep your head in the sand or whatever smelly orifice you keep it.

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 7:15:37 PM   
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Lets just say that Bachmann gets 'the nod'. I could put down $40,000,000 bet in Las Vegas that she will lose, and not a single casino will take the bet. Her odds of winning are totally pathetic. In fact, her odds of winning against the President (who has experience being a President) is lower than my chances of winning the Powerball and Megamillions jackpots within 24 hours! Yes, just three years ago, Republicans campaigned that Sen. Barrack H. Obama didn't have the experience to be President. Funny how none of them point out the current crow of Republican-lunatics share that same quality, eh?

The reason is, there are STILL some Republicans and/or conservatives in this country that havent gone to the ignorant/racist/uneducated/lunatic fringe side (calling it the Dark Side would be an insult to the Sith Lords). They would see the choice rather clearly: A) Vote for Obama, while not their 4th choice, is SANE, INTELLIGENT, and generally trying to do some good for all US Citizens, or B) Bachmann that is the religious (and female) version of Adolf Hitler. He's going to vote Democrat, since once in the voting booth, he can vote truthfully without anyone knowing; because its a secret! Add those guys, with the majority of Independents that will be voting Barrack and ALL the Democrats, it'll be a landslide.

It blows me away, that there are actual people that don't see anything wrong with how this woman behaves in public. Are people REALLY that retarded?

If she got elected to office, I believe we'll finally know why the Mayans were right a long time ago regarding 2012....

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 7:19:33 PM   
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Lets just say that Bachmann gets 'the nod'. I could put down $40,000,000 bet in Las Vegas that she will lose, and not a single casino will take the bet. Her odds of winning are totally pathetic. In fact, her odds of winning against the President (who has experience being a President) is lower than my chances of winning the Powerball and Megamillions jackpots within 24 hours! Yes, just three years ago, Republicans campaigned that Sen. Barrack H. Obama didn't have the experience to be President. Funny how none of them point out the current crow of Republican-lunatics share that same quality, eh?

The reason is, there are STILL some Republicans and/or conservatives in this country that havent gone to the ignorant/racist/uneducated/lunatic fringe side (calling it the Dark Side would be an insult to the Sith Lords). They would see the choice rather clearly: A) Vote for Obama, while not their 4th choice, is SANE, INTELLIGENT, and generally trying to do some good for all US Citizens, or B) Bachmann that is the religious (and female) version of Adolf Hitler. He's going to vote Democrat, since once in the voting booth, he can vote truthfully without anyone knowing; because its a secret! Add those guys, with the majority of Independents that will be voting Barrack and ALL the Democrats, it'll be a landslide.

It blows me away, that there are actual people that don't see anything wrong with how this woman behaves in public. Are people REALLY that retarded?

If she got elected to office, I believe we'll finally know why the Mayans were right a long time ago regarding 2012....


QED, though it did take 1/2 hour longer than I expected for a totally asinine response.

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 7:25:13 PM   
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Your refusal to watch the debate and respond to individual issues says all anyone needs to know.

What?

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I HAVE supported why I (and most news sources ) think she is.

Where? Please provide links.

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She established it very clearly in the debate.

When? Give me a link and time stamps.

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But keep your head in the sand or whatever smelly orifice you keep it.

Why, oh why, do I bother?

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 7:25:47 PM   
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Lets just say that Bachmann gets 'the nod'. I could put down $40,000,000 bet in Las Vegas that she will lose, and not a single casino will take the bet. Her odds of winning are totally pathetic. In fact, her odds of winning against the President (who has experience being a President) is lower than my chances of winning the Powerball and Megamillions jackpots within 24 hours! Yes, just three years ago, Republicans campaigned that Sen. Barrack H. Obama didn't have the experience to be President. Funny how none of them point out the current crow of Republican-lunatics share that same quality, eh?

The reason is, there are STILL some Republicans and/or conservatives in this country that havent gone to the ignorant/racist/uneducated/lunatic fringe side (calling it the Dark Side would be an insult to the Sith Lords). They would see the choice rather clearly: A) Vote for Obama, while not their 4th choice, is SANE, INTELLIGENT, and generally trying to do some good for all US Citizens, or B) Bachmann that is the religious (and female) version of Adolf Hitler. He's going to vote Democrat, since once in the voting booth, he can vote truthfully without anyone knowing; because its a secret! Add those guys, with the majority of Independents that will be voting Barrack and ALL the Democrats, it'll be a landslide.

It blows me away, that there are actual people that don't see anything wrong with how this woman behaves in public. Are people REALLY that retarded?

If she got elected to office, I believe we'll finally know why the Mayans were right a long time ago regarding 2012....


QED, though it did take 1/2 hour longer than I expected for a totally asinine response.


And as typical, the one sentence rebuttal from you, that has absolutely nothing to do with the post your attacking. I think you just want to reply to my posts because your to scared that I might ignore your friend requests on Cm.

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 7:27:08 PM   
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I think you just want to reply to my posts because your to scared that I might ignore your friend requests on Cm.


Is there anything you dont lie about?

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 7:41:04 PM   
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Credibility is eye of the beholder. Watch the fucking debate and draw your own conclusions.


Given that all I've ever heard from her is ridiculous....ah, no.

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 8:05:53 PM   
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I don't think she can win the nomination and I don't think Mitt Romney will put her on the ticket. He will put someone on the ticket to represent the religious right but it won't be her.

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 8:11:42 PM   
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Please list 5 ways she has demonstrated credibility.


Watch the debate.


And... ?


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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 8:16:19 PM   
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It blows me away, that there are actual people that don't see anything wrong with how this woman behaves in public. Are people REALLY that retarded?


Yes. And that's exactly the problem. To a significant number of Republicans - perhaps even most of them -  she looks like the second coming of Abraham Lincoln, because they are so fucking stupid and so fucking ignorant she's a genius by comparison. As much of a fucking loon as she is, she's still smarter than they are, and they're too stupid to comprehend how stupid she is. And that's today's America in a nutshell.


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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 8:18:12 PM   
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I don't think she can win the nomination and I don't think Mitt Romney will put her on the ticket. He will put someone on the ticket to represent the religious right but it won't be her.


Romney has to win the nomination before he puts anyone on the ticket.  Unless he builds up unstoppable momentum after the first few primaries, he's toast.  And I see Bachmann winning Iowa although Romney will likely take NH.

You bring up an interesting point - if a moderate wins the nom, would they choose a right winger like Bachmann or Santorum to balance the ticket?  Seems like they'd need to go for someone who appeals to the independents.  Face it, for the most part, the Dems will vote for Obama and the Republicans will vote for whoever the GOP nominee is - the independents will decide the election.


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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 8:43:29 PM   
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I don't think she can win the nomination and I don't think Mitt Romney will put her on the ticket. He will put someone on the ticket to represent the religious right but it won't be her.


Romney has to win the nomination before he puts anyone on the ticket.  Unless he builds up unstoppable momentum after the first few primaries, he's toast.  And I see Bachmann winning Iowa although Romney will likely take NH.

You bring up an interesting point - if a moderate wins the nom, would they choose a right winger like Bachmann or Santorum to balance the ticket?  Seems like they'd need to go for someone who appeals to the independents.  Face it, for the most part, the Dems will vote for Obama and the Republicans will vote for whoever the GOP nominee is - the independents will decide the election.



And the independents are lost as of this point in time. He only wins them back with a huge rebound in the economy that is highly unlikely bordering on impossible at this point.

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 8:51:30 PM   
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You bring up an interesting point - if a moderate wins the nom, would they choose a right winger like Bachmann or Santorum to balance the ticket?  Seems like they'd need to go for someone who appeals to the independents.  Face it, for the most part, the Dems will vote for Obama and the Republicans will vote for whoever the GOP nominee is - the independents will decide the election.


Dont know how Santorum could keep the right considering his position on abortion vs his personal decision he made a few years back that was widely reported.

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 9:08:35 PM   
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Yeah, that and the frothy, google thing...



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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/23/2011 10:52:13 PM   
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As expected, the demonization starts when she wins a debate and shows how credible she really is. Much more likely VPOTUS than POTUS though.


Where the hell have you been? The left's been openly mocking her and her own personal brand of stupidity since she hid behind a bush to spy on gay rights activists at a protest as a state rep. FDR's Hoot-Smalley Tariff Act which caused the Great Depression through Keynesian Economics was just her launch to infamy on the national stage.

Anybody who claims to be a constitutional scholar and intellectual/ideological descendant of the founders yet holds an L.L.M. from Oral Roberts University (i.e. Batshit Bullshit University that's not even recognized by the LSAC) and can't maintain her Bar approval, then goes on to claim the likes of Thomas Fucking Paine and Thomas Fucking Jefferson were "common sense" conservatives when the most perfunctory, thoughtless reading of the fundamental works of either reveals the exact opposite, and demonstrates not only willful ignorance but blatant disregard for the First Amendment on live television, earns an automatic "point and try not to laugh so hard you accidentally vomit on yourself" rating from me.

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/24/2011 12:04:03 AM   
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And the independents are lost as of this point in time. He only wins them back with a huge rebound in the economy that is highly unlikely bordering on impossible at this point.

Speaking as an independent, you are dead wrong.
While I don't really like Obama, there will be a snowstorm in hell before I vote for Bachmann or any candidate clueless enough to select her as a running mate. I don't want anyone that is obviously a batshit crazy religious zealot anywhere near the White House, let alone a step (or bullet) away from becoming President.

Unless the Republicans can put up a candidate that is not (a) stupid, (b) a hypocrite (c) batshit crazy (d) a religious zealot, or (e) all of the above- Obama will be a 2 term President.



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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/24/2011 12:08:27 AM   
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I think that will be the way the country votes this time around, Wyld. Better the devil they know than the one they dont.

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RE: Rolling Stone piece on Michelle Bachmann - 6/24/2011 12:12:19 AM   
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I don't like it, tazzy, but that is what will happen. I have to say that I'm getting sick of having to choose the lesser of 2 evils when it comes to selecting the person that will lead my country. 

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