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xssve -> RE: Alex Jones Creates Hysteria Amongst His Readers/Listeners (6/26/2011 1:50:48 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: xssve
Well, history is basically an avalanche of constant multitudes of overlapping conspiracies, the United States was born of a conspiracy - all a conspiracy is is a group of people who together, pursue and agenda that has not been formally announced.
I believe #41 formally announced the existence of the NWO
So listen to that, and interpret it how you may - I noticed the qualification, "credible" w/respect to the UN - you might want to look at #41's history with the UN to get an idea what he may or may not consider credibility.
Additionally, "rule of law" is often misinterpreted by the right, to mean rule by fiat by controlling the legal apparatus, rather than the law applying equally to everyone, and I've heard that misinterpretation repeated and encouraged on talk radio - re-framing, that's called, when it's not called "lying".
I'm not saying there are no conspiracies. There have been numerous serious conspiracies throughout history. However, they have to be treated with very rigorous scepticism especially when people with a distinct agenda are pushing them relentlessly, and seemingly creating them out of little more than hearsay a la Jews poisoning wells with the plague.
We should understand the context of Bush's speech at the time. He was clearly referring to the UN being weak and ineffective, and it requires a fair bit of theorising and speculation to understand his words differently. At the time there was a lot of disappointment around the world at the UN's ineffectiveness in stopping mass genocide and starvation in Africa for example. This is what he meant by moving from the law of the jungle to a more civilised condition.
Maybe, but then he was in charge of birth control and family planning for the UN in Africa in the Seventies, and that program has been likened to a de facto eugenics program, a charge to which the presence of General Draper lends credence.
Half the conspiracy theories are probably one conspiracy trying to discredit another one: the profit motive, multinational conspiracy/s that want de-regulation are going to call global warming a conspiracy, the pro-Arab conspiracy is going to be pushing Zionist conspiracy theories, the Zionist conspiracy is going to be issuing alarms about that, etc., etc., and so on.
So, if anything, the sheer number of conspiracy theories is itself evidence of conspiracy if you ask me, and of course, none of them is going to want to be called a conspiracy themselves.
I call it conspiracy when legislation is passed without transparency - the whole takings debacle was a good example, the WTO wasn't it who tried to get unilateral legislation ratified that firms doing business in foreign companies could sue for lost profits if their operations were regulated ex post facto of the establishment of the operation? They had a secret tibunal and everything.
Originally, it appears to have been an attempt to protect American business's doing business in Mexico, specifically, toxic waste storage, and the whole thing was to prevent the Mexican government from coming in and regulating it, and costing them money, takings.
The big flaw in that argument however, is that money isn't the only thing that can be "taken" health is a "possession" too, clean air, food and water, while less tangible than stock returns, are quantifiable things, and the whole business dropped out after the WTO riots in Seattle - but on the face of it, a takings legislation could well be a excellent means of regulating all business's based on what things they "take" when operating a business that threatens public health and safety - thus, secret tribunals.
It would be a lot messier that way however, better for all involved to regulate before the damage is done - consumers are as much a part of the market as producers, and regulation is a market dynamic.
Or, it's a conspiracy of cheese eating elitists, granola liberals, collectivist parasites, commie pinko fags, etc., take your pick.
Could be people just like to breathe clean air, eat clean food, and drink clean water, what the fuck's up with that?
It's a conspiracy I tells ya.
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