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knees2you -> Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 5:56:08 PM)

Was just looking at some profiles
and was noticing that some Domms
Have listed  as them being an expert at
"Face Slapping"
 
Wouldn't this be like being an expert at
"Verbal abuse"
 
To me it doesn't sound very hard to do?
 
I know You can be come an expert at alot
of things...
 
Just wondering if You can be an expert at
"Face Slapping?"
Or if it's something anybody knows?
 
Ant,[;)]




juliaoceania -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 6:00:51 PM)

If you do not know what you are doing with face slapping you can harm a sub's neck permanently... yes it is a skill and not one I would let just anybody do. It takes finesse, you can slap someone and snap their neck off the axis and cause whiplash.....




Vancouver_cinful -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 6:07:02 PM)

I agree. Face-slapping is not something for novices to fool around with. You have to know how to support the head so there is no whiplash, and where not to hit.

You also have to have a sense of how hard you can hit, in order to avoid bruising, or other problems. Personally, I don't mind bruises on my well-covered backside, but I wouldn't want to have to go to work, and explain a bruise on a cheek, or a black eye.

Cin




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 6:12:24 PM)

It's not rocket science or heart surgery, but it takes some practice and skill.  Not to mention it's probably one of the higher emotional button pushing types of play out there- that can take a lot more skill to maneuver than tendons and bone.




Bearlee -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 6:15:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful

I agree. Face-slapping is not something for novices to fool around with. You have to know how to support the head so there is no whiplash, and where not to hit.

You also have to have a sense of how hard you can hit, in order to avoid bruising, or other problems. Personally, I don't mind bruises on my well-covered backside, but I wouldn't want to have to go to work, and explain a bruise on a cheek, or a black eye.

Cin


Ahhhhhh, well said!  As a kid, right up to the time I left home, I was slapped in the face.  I HATED it!!!  Face-slapping was a 'hard limit' of mine for the longest time.  Then, with a Dom I trusted and had been with a number of times...he slapped me to 'settle' me down.  He had one hand near my chin, along the side of my face...and slapped me with his other hand from the other side.  My head did not snap, he had me well supported.  What it DID do...was make me pay more attention; it brought my focus to him and ONLY him...not what he was doing, even. 

It was awesome.  There are so many things like face slapping that sound so abusive...but are not at all.  Sure can make ya swoon, though!    [;)]




Alumbrado -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:01:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: knees2you

Was just looking at some profiles
and was noticing that some Domms
Have listed  as them being an expert at
"Face Slapping"
 
Wouldn't this be like being an expert at
"Verbal abuse"
 
To me it doesn't sound very hard to do?
 
I know You can be come an expert at alot
of things...
 
Just wondering if You can be an expert at
"Face Slapping?"
Or if it's something anybody knows?
 
Ant,[;)]


Well, in the profiles, the only box to check if you have done something more than a few times, is 'Expert'... it doesn't mean that someone is claiming expertise...probably a poor choice of terminology.

But on that particular topic, anyone who hasn't learned how dangerous face slapping can be, should not be practicing it hoping for the best.

Lack of support can lead to one set of head/neck problems, supporting the head too firmly can lead to another type of potential injury.




MistressLorelei -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:11:41 PM)

Face slapping can cause jaw dislocation, a broken nose or a variety of other negative outcomes as mentioned here.  It does not take a rocket scientist to 'master' face slapping, but it's still a skill that requires practice and improves with experience   Besides, who cares if anyone calls themselves an expert at something that doesn't require higher education.   I would bet there are some sorry, broken-nosed, bruised up submissives with dislocated jaws out there who wish they had found a Domme/Dom who was able to claim faceslapping as their area of expertise.




cuddleheart50 -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:12:35 PM)

Face slapping is a hard limit for me!




kittensmailbox -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:13:50 PM)

i have to admit, i kinda like it...




juliaoceania -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:14:07 PM)

I can understand why cuddleheart, but I think it sounds delicious and has been a part of my fantasies since I was a teenager, just havent had it done yet.




LadyHugs -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:16:59 PM)

Dear knees2you, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Face slapping is not something I would do comfortably.  I agree with Bearlee, that it takes support by another hand on the other side of the face to support it, as well as the whole jaw, mouth and head has to be relaxed, according to some who enjoy such activities.  The one who slaps also has to have a passive/soft hand as well.

In addition, I was briefly in friendly circles with a Professional Wrestler, who is a brother of Hulk Hogan and his tag-team-partner, to which he explained the art of "Wrestling Entertainment."  Not much different than "stunt" doubles and coaches.
These guys who entertain us have things down to an art.  His comment was going with the blow and not resist it, staying as loose as possible when it came to head blows.  The slap they try to go for, is having the person blow their cheeks out, like a hampster pouch, then keep the jaw and mouth loose, then aim for the air space.

All rather interesting and it is an art form.

But, I wouldn't do it myself, as it is not something that I would enjoy.

Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs




zumala -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:21:31 PM)

Face slapping is definately a hard limit for me.  When I was 22 I woke up one morning with my jaw locked shut.  It was uncomfortable and did not loosen up until an entire five days had passed.  A while later (months to a year, I don't recall exactly) it got stuck OPEN in a yawn and MAN did that HURT!  Felt like I had muscles and ligaments being stretched to the point of almost tearing, and I was stuck like that for several hours.  It was pure agony.  Apparently my jaw hinge has a problem and I have what is termed TMJ.  Now I cannot eat apples that aren't cut into slices, and I can't enjoy too much steak or something hard like corn nuts.  My jaw just tires right out.  So face slapping would just seem like asking for severe damage and torture in my case.
 
zuma




Sinergy -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:23:13 PM)

Hello A/all

Actually, as a third degree black belt, self defense expert, with a host of other martial arts, as well as college physiology courses and research in pursuit of my chosen interest, I suppose I am an expert. 

Thank you for asking.

It is not really the tendons of the neck that are in danger with face slapping.  The neck is designed to survive a lot more damage than can be administered by a face slap.  Which is not to say you should cold cock somebody with a 2x4, but still.

Physiology lesson:  The brain sits inside a little sack (surrounded by it's own fluid) with blood vessels running through it in membranes that prevent blood from actually contacting brain tissue.  Breaking these membranes can spill blood into the brain tissue, which kills brain cells.  Drinking a beer does something similar, so it probably wont cause permanent damage to one's ability to sign one's own name since the brain has billions of brain cells and is designed for redundancy should it lose a few thousand here or there in the pursuit of perverted deviancy.  This whole thing sits inside a hollow and solid bone cavity called the skull.

There is a thing called a "coup-contrecoup" knockout.  The other name for this is "brain bounce knockout."  Suddenly displace the skull six inches in any direction (forward, sideways, or IN A CIRCULAR MOTION) and the brain bounces off one side of the skull (damaging brain tissue) and then striking the other side of the skull (damaging more brain tissue).  Boxers using a crossing punch, whiplash injuries, etc., are generally this sort of injury.  The brain's response to trauma on both sides is to shut the major neurological systems down, leaving the basic ones to support life up and running.

This would be another word for knockout.

Face slapping a person can rotate the skull suddenly.  That chin moves six inches to one side, or in a circular manner, the brain bounces around inside the skull.  A good wallop and the person ends up dreaming weird dreams face down on the floor.  Too much of this, and it becomes impossible to figure out the complexity of Big Bird's philosophy on life, largely because so much brain tissue has been damaged.

The correct way to slap somebody in the face involves taking the non slapping hand and gently (lovingly, domililily, whatever) cupping the skull to prevent rotational momentum.  And then proving a nice wallop on the other side of the face.  The face is slapped.  But the brain sits happy and content in it's little kiddy pool.

While it might bruise things in the face, etc., the face is designed in a way similar to the way the sides of your car are designed; to provide crush distance to protect the brain.  You probably are not going to seriously damage the face with a slap, as long as you dont wallop the back of the head (which can knock the eyes out the front) too hard, or rip out the eyes or break the nose or that sort of thing.

Clear as mud?

Sinergy




shyfem -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:23:50 PM)

When I first heard of BDSM and took a look at some of the many activities, I thought that face slapping would be something I would not want done to me no matter what. But, after having met a kind and thankfully patient Dom he showed me how it is used for correction and not meant to harm at all. He never did it hard and always supported me appropriately. It brought about a change in my behavior as it was meant to and brought my focus on to what he was saying and doing. All in all it was not a bad experience.




juliaoceania -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:24:27 PM)

I understand this as I have had surgery for TMJ, which was entirely successful. I do very well understand why you would be hesitant to engage in this behavior.




NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:32:30 PM)

Ahhh.  I just got completely lost in revery.  I love being smacked around (in context, obviously).  I'd take it over spanking anytime.  It's one of those things that makes me melt.  With that said, it certainly does take a skilled touch to smack the right place and not injure. 




Phoenixandnika -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:33:26 PM)

Slapping is an extremely hot form of play. However there are risks and I think it is something that should be discussed thoroughly before it is done.
 
The face is not made to tolerate trauma. Facial tissue are delicate and easily damaged. If a blow is misplaced it can cause perminant eye and nerve damage, eye damage, joint damage, neck damage, even brain damage in some cases. Lips are are easily split if a blow stricks the wrong way. Skin over the cheekbone is easy easily torn. Eyes can be blacked if the checkbone is struck just right.

A correct face slap can put your partner in a head space that is erotic and enjoyable but if done incorrectly a face slap can leave both temporary injuries and perminant injuries.
 
Besides the physical trauma that can occure there is alot of emotional trauma that can accure as well. Slapping is an perceived by most as an extreme form of humilation. To me it is right there with someone spitting in my face.
 
Another danger with slapping is the general public and law enforcement will look at facial bruises, lacerations, black eyes as a sign of spousal or domestic abuse. 
 
In the end like any other play I think face slapping should be approached with care, it can be very dangerous.

Please remember to keep yourself and your partner safe even when doing something as simple as face slapping.
 
Blessed Be,
Phoenix's Nika




Sinergy -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:40:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

The face is not made to tolerate trauma. Facial tissue are delicate and easily damaged. If a blow is misplaced it can cause perminant eye and nerve damage, eye damage, joint damage, neck damage, even brain damage in some cases. Lips are are easily split if a blow stricks the wrong way. Skin over the cheekbone is easy easily torn. Eyes can be blacked if the checkbone is struck just right. 


The face is made to take damage.

None of the things you have mentioned are life threatening.

If the face could not take damage and punishment, the injuries from being slapped would be.

The social response to a person who has been slapped is another thread. ;)  I was talking about physiological aspects to face slapping.

Sinergy




MistressLorelei -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:47:53 PM)

By the way...  slapping someone's face is not a hard limit of mine... though it may have sounded that way in my initial post.  I have made an effort to learn proper practice, and the effort paid off every time I saw the look of deep subspace on the face of  my submissive upon slapping him.  It's a look that willl forever be etched in my mind.




Wulfchyld -> RE: Face Slapping. Your an Expert!? (5/15/2006 7:48:00 PM)

Wait a minute! You slap with your hand? I thought I was suposed to use mini-me.




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