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Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 6:59:18 AM   
housesub4you


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Status: offline 		So the Debt Ceiling is going to be raised, and Cantor walks out of the meetings to reach and agreement.  Odd how after raising them 3 times in the past they never asked for spending cuts when the GOP was in charge.

I think it shows the power struggle between Cantor and Boehner, Cantor wants Boehners job and according to GOP leaders the walk out had been planned for weeks.

So most likely there is going to be a tax increase on the top 1% and Cantor wants to appear he had no part in it, and place all the blame on Boehner.  Thus making himself sort of look like the guy who said No to tax increases, but it's kind of hard to do that when the walk out was planned for weeks, according to his own party. 

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 7:36:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		He ran away like a bitch! Cantor is a QUITTER!

And as Vince Lombardi told us... QUITTERS NEVER WIN!


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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 7:42:38 AM   
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So the Debt Ceiling is going to be raised, and Cantor walks out of the meetings to reach and agreement.  Odd how after raising them 3 times in the past they never asked for spending cuts when the GOP was in charge.

I think it shows the power struggle between Cantor and Boehner, Cantor wants Boehners job and according to GOP leaders the walk out had been planned for weeks.

So most likely there is going to be a tax increase on the top 1% and Cantor wants to appear he had no part in it, and place all the blame on Boehner.  Thus making himself sort of look like the guy who said No to tax increases, but it's kind of hard to do that when the walk out was planned for weeks, according to his own party. 




ROFL. There is no conflict, Boehner agreed with them walking out.


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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 7:48:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not according to Boehner's Press conference....


"At a press briefing, he[boehner] said he understood Cantor’s frustration but declined to say whether he supported his decision. The Speaker also said the talks could continue if Democrats took tax hikes off the table.
“I understand the frustrations,” Boehner said. “I understand why [Cantor] did what he did. But I think those talks could continue if they’re willing to take the tax hikes off the table.”

Other members of the GOP House leadership were caught off guard by Cantor’s news. House GOP Conference Vice Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.) and House Republican Leadership Chairman Greg Walden (Ore.) told The Hill they did not have a heads-up. Appropriations cardinal Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho) said he was surprised.

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 7:53:53 AM   
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Not according to Boehner's Press conference....


"At a press briefing, he[boehner] said he understood Cantor’s frustration but declined to say whether he supported his decision. The Speaker also said the talks could continue if Democrats took tax hikes off the table.
“I understand the frustrations,” Boehner said. “I understand why [Cantor] did what he did. But I think those talks could continue if they’re willing to take the tax hikes off the table.”

Other members of the GOP House leadership were caught off guard by Cantor’s news. House GOP Conference Vice Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.) and House Republican Leadership Chairman Greg Walden (Ore.) told The Hill they did not have a heads-up. Appropriations cardinal Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho) said he was surprised.


LMAO. You dont understand the game.

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 8:11:03 AM   
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"At a press briefing, he[boehner] said he understood Cantor’s frustration but declined to say whether he supported his decision.


This is what Boehner actually said.

This is what you claimed

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Boehner agreed with them walking out.


then you make this statement

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You dont understand the game.


The problem is we understand your silly games perfectly.  Making up what you wish doesn't make it fact.


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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 10:10:48 AM   
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BRING ALL THE TROOPS HOME TODAY!

Problem solved -- EXCEPT no Republican has the BALLS to actually do the fiscally responsible thing.

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 10:17:26 AM   
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LMAO. You dont understand the game.


Which game, the one where the Republicans play theatrics and brinkmanship with the entire economy to stagnate economic recovery until post-election in order to beat Obama, and bank on the electorate forgetting who caused this shit while hedging by dismantling traditionally liberal monetary support and mobilization structures and disenfranchising as many Democratic voters as possible?

Or did you just mean the one where they're all wink-nudging each other on the public stage and actually all agree in the back room?

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 11:10:34 AM   
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ROFL. There is no conflict, Boehner agreed with them walking out.


Ya gotta say something after the fact to save face when your bitches quit in tantrum mode.


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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 11:14:32 AM   
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LMAO. You dont understand the game.


What you're saying is he doesn't understand that a majority in the house on the part of the republicans has allowed them to refashion political discourse into something they're more comfortable with. A mafia protection racket.

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 11:22:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good for Cantor, now if only the Republican leadership would only grow some balls.

What part of unsustainable do you progressives not understand? You can cry about the past all you want, but we're here, and it's now... Government has GOT TO STOP SPENDING! You could raise taxes back up to 90% and it wouldn't make a difference to revenue collected.

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 11:23:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		And guess what, the moderate americans are looking to decrease spending and raise revenue, not the lame shit the rabid right is advancing, decrease revenue and borrow more, or push it off to our children.

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 11:24:52 AM   
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Problem solved -- EXCEPT no Republican has the BALLS


I googled high and low to find republicans with balls and could even find ones who still had their nuts






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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 11:33:11 AM   
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What part of unsustainable do you progressives not understand?


Do you eat your master with that mouth?

And Where THE FUCK did I say anything about taxes?

Show me how that bullshit is even CLOSE to in context with anything I am talking about.
    Or do you just give yourself a context-free posting spree every now and then?


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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 11:34:54 AM   
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And guess what, the moderate americans are looking to decrease spending and raise revenue, not the lame shit the rabid right is advancing, decrease revenue and borrow more, or push it off to our children.


Try and get the owner's name off his dog tag.

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 11:38:46 AM   
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You could raise taxes back up to 90% and it wouldn't make a difference to revenue collected.


I'd ask you to support that statement with evidence, considering you're vaguely on-base but probably have no idea why, but I think I know where you're going and I really don't feel like debunking the Laffer curve again.

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 12:44:13 PM   
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You could raise taxes back up to 90% and it wouldn't make a difference to revenue collected.


I'd ask you to support that statement with evidence, considering you're vaguely on-base but probably have no idea why, but I think I know where you're going and I really don't feel like debunking the Laffer curve again.


Again? The Laffer curve cannot be debunked, just strawmen that are supposedly what the Laffer curve says. KD already has balls cut off over that one. Want to be next, step right up.

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 12:55:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Laffer curve.  Bar napkin.  Essentially a  proposition of find the area under the curve.  No data points, no proofs, nothing to debunk, because there is nothing to assess.

If there was live data that could be plugged into it, and deltas (or deviations if you prefer) changed in width and re-calculated, there might be something that will debunk it or bunko it.

But there isn't. It is as invincible as the Corporate Appeasement as practiced by the republicans, long on philosophy and ideology, short on factual information.

 

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 1:11:07 PM   
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Again? The Laffer curve cannot be debunked, just strawmen that are supposedly what the Laffer curve says. KD already has balls cut off over that one. Want to be next, step right up.


It was a completely unscientific thought experiment to illustrate the effects of extreme taxation on either side on state revenue drawn on the back of a bar napkin. It's about as valid a basis for public policy as Schrodinger's cat is for euthanasia. Arthur Laffer himself admitted as much, yet the right has deified Laffer and his little thought experiment and consistently carted it out specifically as the primary basis for lowering tax rates and deregulation (which they contend is a de facto tax on industry and corporations). In less than 60 years the tax rates have dropped to almost nothing, but no significant change to federal revenue as a percentage of GDP has been recorded, effectively debunking the idea that lower taxes will increase federal revenue, yet it's still to this day carted out as the reason to lower taxation and deregulate.

You can't explain that.

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RE: Cantor walks out of meetings - 6/24/2011 1:16:37 PM   
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Again? The Laffer curve cannot be debunked, just strawmen that are supposedly what the Laffer curve says. KD already has balls cut off over that one. Want to be next, step right up.


It was a completely unscientific thought experiment to illustrate the effects of extreme taxation on either side on state revenue drawn on the back of a bar napkin.

correct. There is no need to be scientific, it is so simplistic and relies only on two premises which are obviously correct to draw in incontrovertible conclusion.

In less than 60 years the tax rates have dropped to almost nothing, but no significant change to federal revenue as a percentage of GDP has been recorded, effectively debunking the idea that lower taxes will increase federal revenue, yet it's still to this day carted out as the reason to lower taxation and deregulate.

also correct, though it ignores many factors other than tax rates. However, that has nothing to do with the Laffer curve, just the strawmen about it.

You can't explain that.


You didnt say anything that needs explaining.


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