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NuevaVida -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/26/2011 2:31:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP They still decimate songbirds, owned or unowned. And yes, studies do show that the greatest threat to bird populations are cats. So if your neighbor feeds the birds, and you let your cat out to prey on them, don't be surprised if they get fed up with your cat and do something permanent about it. The few folks I know who have cats that do go out have bells on them, for that reason. They can still get their stalking in, but the birds get away. Doesn't prevent people who are resentful about cats from harming the cats. My cat gets his kicks stalking the little fake mice I give him. And when he's done, he bats 'em under the refrigerator. At the end of every week, I pull a dozen mice out from under there. I don't need to put his life in jeopardy just so he can get his stalking yaya's out.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/26/2011 2:33:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP They still decimate songbirds, owned or unowned. And yes, studies do show that the greatest threat to bird populations are cats. So if your neighbor feeds the birds, and you let your cat out to prey on them, don't be surprised if they get fed up with your cat and do something permanent about it. The few folks I know who have cats that do go out have bells on them, for that reason. They can still get their stalking in, but the birds get away. Doesn't prevent people who are resentful about cats from harming the cats. My cat gets his kicks stalking the little fake mice I give him. And when he's done, he bats 'em under the refrigerator. At the end of every week, I pull a dozen mice out from under there. I don't need to put his life in jeopardy just so he can get his stalking yaya's out. I agree with you, that they should be kept inside.

thishereboi -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/26/2011 2:39:11 PM)
quote: It seems like once a month around here, someone sends a letter to the editor whining about some "mean driver" that ran over fluffy and didnt stop to help pay vet bills or offer condolences or whatever. This reminds me of when I was a kid. My dad went to work and as he was driving down the street, a cat ran in front of his car. Concerned, he backed up and yelled to the paper boy on the sidewalk and asked if he had hit the cat. The kid said not the first time, but don't worry, you got him when you backed up.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/26/2011 3:01:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa quote: Feral cats usually avoid human contact, unless starving. They hide.. and are nocturnal. they are much less likely to attack a human, or bite a human, than a dog is. The feral cats around here didn't read that manual. seriously.

pahunkboy -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/26/2011 5:30:26 PM)
My cat ripped the bell off of her collar. It was not the collar- she is explorer type.

gothikbutterfly -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/26/2011 5:37:52 PM)
Thank the Gods I live in apartment and its on the third floor, and there is no garden near me lol.

tj444 -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/26/2011 5:48:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower Just curious about your views or personal experiences as cat owner or as annoyed neighbour or even experiences if you know a friend or neighbour who was annoyed about neighbours pets. I had two cats for 16/17 years and they were in & outdoor cats, I have not gotten any new kitties since tho. Should i ever get cats again, i like the idea that they can be outside but much more important to me is that they be safe. So, I would build an enclosure for them outside or put a cat fence up like in this website (see the video of the cat trying to jump out). That would solve the problem and my neighbors with gardens, lawns, flower beds would love me for that! [:)] http://www.catfencein.com/

pahunkboy -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/26/2011 5:56:28 PM)
I also dont like when someone walks by my house and shits on my lawn.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 2:44:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep i don't really think cats should be out roaming loose. they can bite just like dogs can, spread disease just like does can, and of course, shit all over your yard and tear up your trash like dogs can. it has always annoyed me that they get a special pass to do this just just because "they're cats." they don't have any more of a need to roam than a dog does, but, as a dog owner, you can't justify letting your dog roam free at night by saying "he's a dog, he needs to roam," you're expected to get a leash on him and take him out, and clean up after him when he's out. the worst animal attack of my life came from a cat that was out roaming around the apartment we lived in at the time. my mom had bought me a bag of caramels and the cat decided to take it. it bit up my hands and scratched me in the face (i was 5 at the time). my mom whacked it with her purse until it went away, but i ended up getting so sick with something called "cat scratch fever," that i had to have surgery to remove a lymph node that literally EXPLODED from trying to process all the infection in my system. cats don't need to be out at night, it's some weird cat-owner entitlement. cats don't need to shit in people's yards. cats CAN learn to walk on leashes, i know people who have taught their cats to do so. i know people who have taught rabbits and pet rats to walk on leashes. Oh seriously, when was the last time a cat attacked and bit somebody? When was the last time you saw a dog climbing trees or roofs? You do understand the difference between a pack animal (dog, you are the pack leader they walk with you) and a cat? A cat on a leash is cruel, yes my pet rat could be trained to walk on a leash, but since he's living inside anyway, why would I want to do that? Anybody dragging a cat on a leash around without a valid reason, I'd let the person know what I think about them. I'm surprised since the feral cats in your area are so vicious and ready to attack, that the papers aren't full of it. How about you start your rant about wild birds? You know the ones who shit on your windows or shit on your car, shouldn't they be all on leashes? I had house cats before, they never had been outside and it was fine for them, my 2 cats now came from somewhere where they were used to going outside, it would be like prison for them to keep them in the house, sorry, they are not criminals, I am not going to lock them in because some weird cat hater decides they feel offended by a cat sitting outside... Also neutered cats don't tend to spray a lot, a kitty litter right next to the cat flap does the trick, most cats prefer a clean kitty litter to digging up soil where their paws get dirty, when it's hatching season in the evening the cat flap is one way, meaning they can get in but not out at night. When buying the house, I knew I would have those 2 cats, so I made sure to only look at houses that are not near main roads, so they can go out. They are also quite shy with strangers, so I doubt they'll launch wild attacks, though if somebody should have them in a corner and tries to pick them up against their will, I hope they do rip the person's hand off. Sorry, but just because some maniac gets offended by a cat doing what a cat does, mine are not going to suffer from it. What's next? Children will only be allowed to play very quietly because somebody might think they are disturbing them... Seriously, people who dislike animals, I have a problem with them.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 6:04:21 AM)
i think we already settled in another thread about animal attacks that a variety of animal attacks go un-/underreported? and i don't know how you came to the "you dislike animals" conclusion, except other than an attempt to be inflammatory and attack me. i like animals perfectly well, and people who have indoor cats aren't abusing them by keeping them off trees and roofs are they? your post seems to assume as much but you aren't lashing out at those who keep their cats indoors. there's a difference between a wild animal doing what wild animals do, and a domestic animal that is the responsibility of its owners doing what domestic animals do, but somewhere besides where it lives. domestic animals have different expectations from wild ones. your word choice is particularly inflammatory, and i'm not going to respond to you any further.

pahunkboy -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 6:07:01 AM)
My cat will tolerate a leash. Not keen on it- but will sort of go along with it. Tho it is not for going for walks- on that I may as well carry her.

AlwaysLisa -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 7:38:36 AM)
http://www.mercer.edu/psychology/Faculty_Staff/Wright_JC/downloadable_articles/Reported%20Cat%20Bites%20in%20Dallas-Characteristics%20of%20the%20Cats,%20the%20Victims,%20and%20the%20Attack%20Events.pdf This is just one city. I was surprised at the number of reported injuries. Most were bites or scratches on the hands, and most by female strays. I am not one of those fanatical types, I understand people and animals must coexist peacefully, or the animals suffer. However, if you are of the mindset that cats must roam free to be happy, then perhaps living on acreage, away from society, is the perfect place to be. If just one child gets injured for attempting to pet a stray cat, it's one child too many. We live among others, and in doing so, must respect their rights to happiness while striving to reach our own. I battle PETA on a regular basis. They come to dog shows, slipping anti freeze into drinking containers, or opening up enclosure doors, often times setting dogs loose for a quick death on the nearby highway. All in the name of "dogs must roam free, or they are better off dead". Letting cats have free range, is in my mind, just as cruel. We domesticated them, at one time they were all as feral as weasels. (And still viewed as vermin in some countries). We moved them into apartments, condo's and suburbia, trained them to use a litterbox and eat meat from a tin. They are our responsibility. Would you turn a child loose in the neighborhood to relieve himself where he wished, knock over trash cans looking for food and risk death by several methods? To say cats are unhappy indoors, is a misnomer. I can point you to at least 20 examples of healthy, happy cats, who never step over the threshold.

soul2share -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 8:02:39 AM)
My cats are leash trained, they recognize them, and for the most part, are okay with their harnesses. KB gives me a bit of cattitude when I'm putting his on, and Boo rolls over and goes limp while I'm putting his harness on. Outside, I can sort of guide them along, but they go where they want, all in opposite directions. The leashes just make it easier to herd them along. Mine are all indoor kittehs....all of the dogs they know are friendly, so they'd not see one as a threat until it'd be too late. And there are haws, wagles and buzzzards here, even in the city, and I really don't want to lose one to be a bird's dinner. I'm not sure where my three outside kittehs do their bisuness, there aren't any smelly areas around the house or bushes they usually pop out from, but they do bury their scat so as to hide their scent. I'm sure he does, sinc e he's male, but I have never actually seen Toby spraying anywhere. Little mama is the one cat that drives off interlopers......she's even more territorial than Toby! And Sissy has her beebees, so she's defending her little corner of the carport.

thishereboi -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 11:29:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep i don't really think cats should be out roaming loose. they can bite just like dogs can, spread disease just like does can, and of course, shit all over your yard and tear up your trash like dogs can. it has always annoyed me that they get a special pass to do this just just because "they're cats." they don't have any more of a need to roam than a dog does, but, as a dog owner, you can't justify letting your dog roam free at night by saying "he's a dog, he needs to roam," you're expected to get a leash on him and take him out, and clean up after him when he's out. the worst animal attack of my life came from a cat that was out roaming around the apartment we lived in at the time. my mom had bought me a bag of caramels and the cat decided to take it. it bit up my hands and scratched me in the face (i was 5 at the time). my mom whacked it with her purse until it went away, but i ended up getting so sick with something called "cat scratch fever," that i had to have surgery to remove a lymph node that literally EXPLODED from trying to process all the infection in my system. cats don't need to be out at night, it's some weird cat-owner entitlement. cats don't need to shit in people's yards. cats CAN learn to walk on leashes, i know people who have taught their cats to do so. i know people who have taught rabbits and pet rats to walk on leashes. Oh seriously, when was the last time a cat attacked and bit somebody? When was the last time you saw a dog climbing trees or roofs? You do understand the difference between a pack animal (dog, you are the pack leader they walk with you) and a cat? A cat on a leash is cruel, yes my pet rat could be trained to walk on a leash, but since he's living inside anyway, why would I want to do that? Anybody dragging a cat on a leash around without a valid reason, I'd let the person know what I think about them. I'm surprised since the feral cats in your area are so vicious and ready to attack, that the papers aren't full of it. How about you start your rant about wild birds? You know the ones who shit on your windows or shit on your car, shouldn't they be all on leashes? I had house cats before, they never had been outside and it was fine for them, my 2 cats now came from somewhere where they were used to going outside, it would be like prison for them to keep them in the house, sorry, they are not criminals, I am not going to lock them in because some weird cat hater decides they feel offended by a cat sitting outside... Also neutered cats don't tend to spray a lot, a kitty litter right next to the cat flap does the trick, most cats prefer a clean kitty litter to digging up soil where their paws get dirty, when it's hatching season in the evening the cat flap is one way, meaning they can get in but not out at night. When buying the house, I knew I would have those 2 cats, so I made sure to only look at houses that are not near main roads, so they can go out. They are also quite shy with strangers, so I doubt they'll launch wild attacks, though if somebody should have them in a corner and tries to pick them up against their will, I hope they do rip the person's hand off. Sorry, but just because some maniac gets offended by a cat doing what a cat does, mine are not going to suffer from it. What's next? Children will only be allowed to play very quietly because somebody might think they are disturbing them... Seriously, people who dislike animals, I have a problem with them. My mom was working in the yard and a cat got into the neighbors yard. Their dog chased it into our yard at which point it climbed her like a tree and clawed the shit out of her head. That was the day she learned what "cat scratch fever" meant and how sick it makes you. Now I understand if your babies have to go outside and that's great. Just don't cry when they don't come home. Oh and I don't recall anyone saying they hated animals, they just think the owners who let them roam are irresponsible. Big difference.

pahunkboy -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 11:35:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa http://www.mercer.edu/psychology/Faculty_Staff/Wright_JC/downloadable_articles/Reported%20Cat%20Bites%20in%20Dallas-Characteristics%20of%20the%20Cats,%20the%20Victims,%20and%20the%20Attack%20Events.pdf This is just one city. I was surprised at the number of reported injuries. Most were bites or scratches on the hands, and most by female strays. I am not one of those fanatical types, I understand people and animals must coexist peacefully, or the animals suffer. However, if you are of the mindset that cats must roam free to be happy, then perhaps living on acreage, away from society, is the perfect place to be. If just one child gets injured for attempting to pet a stray cat, it's one child too many. We live among others, and in doing so, must respect their rights to happiness while striving to reach our own. I battle PETA on a regular basis. They come to dog shows, slipping anti freeze into drinking containers, or opening up enclosure doors, often times setting dogs loose for a quick death on the nearby highway. All in the name of "dogs must roam free, or they are better off dead". Letting cats have free range, is in my mind, just as cruel. We domesticated them, at one time they were all as feral as weasels. (And still viewed as vermin in some countries). We moved them into apartments, condo's and suburbia, trained them to use a litterbox and eat meat from a tin. They are our responsibility. Would you turn a child loose in the neighborhood to relieve himself where he wished, knock over trash cans looking for food and risk death by several methods? To say cats are unhappy indoors, is a misnomer. I can point you to at least 20 examples of healthy, happy cats, who never step over the threshold. PETA pulled a stunt here- taped a local farmer- caused all kinds of damage. In the end the Farmer was cleared of any wrong doing- BUT only after LOTS of legals fees. Which of course will be passed onto us.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 11:42:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida Now...healthy boy [:)] [image]local://upfiles/652711/2A8141A75F9C41AFA73E8DB1A4832A98.jpg[/image] OH MY GAWD !! He is beyond gorgeous. What a lucky sweet kitty he is !!

NuevaVida -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 11:55:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt OH MY GAWD !! He is beyond gorgeous. What a lucky sweet kitty he is !! Aww thanks! I'm lucky to have him. But he was a disaster when I brought him home - compliments of living on the streets for awhile.

MistressDarkArt -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 12:17:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower Just curious about your views or personal experiences as cat owner or as annoyed neighbour or even experiences if you know a friend or neighbour who was annoyed about neighbours pets. I am a cat-owner; I have three. As much as I would like the world to be a safe enough place to let them roam, the fact is it is not. There are coyotes, mountain lions, raccoon, skunk, possum, hawks, vultures, and street and highway traffic. There is also a shit-hole of a dog-boarding kennel right on the other side of the fence from my property...animals escape from there all the time to run loose in the neighborhood. I live near the ocean...cat poop runoff in the soil is directly harmful to otters and other sea-life. It is my responsibility to keep my cats safe and also to protect the environment and neighborhood. So I gave them the best of both worlds and built them a 'catiary' so they could safely enjoy being outdoors without subjecting them to risk or causing problems for the neighborhood. Not the end of my problems, though. Other cats loose in the neighborhood poop in my yard, harass my boys through the fence of their house, and like the set-up so much they try to move in. It annoys the hell out of me that others are so inconsiderate and irresponsible. I think cats should be contained or supervised just like dogs are. Knowing I can come home any time of the day or night and my cats will be safe and content is the best reason of all to not let them roam. FFS, people, why does there have to be a law or ordinance in place to force people to take responsibility and do the right thing for your pets and your neighbors? [image]local://upfiles/905271/D32F427746A34A50ADDBC88674B2FE74.jpg[/image]

MistressDarkArt -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 12:29:50 PM)
Another view of the house. Cats enter and exit the main house from the window in the utility room. There's a lockable screen door on the other side that lets the people in and out. This is a great place to do yoga and enjoy morning coffee with the kittehs. Also a lovely place to take naps in the zero gravity recliner in the late afternoon sun. If I had it to do over, I would use translucent roof material instead of opaque for more light, but can change that out some time down the road. [image]local://upfiles/905271/5972337F69564C89AADB579ECF2300B8.jpg[/image]

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Cat shit in neighbours gardens (6/27/2011 12:30:21 PM)
what a cute cat house ^_^ nice job and Nueva, your little dude is flipping gorgeousness.

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