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ORIGINAL: Pavel

Rotor?  I wasn't aware turbines had rotors. 

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And don't even get me started on Pearl Harbor ("hey, let's get involved in the war by loseing almost our entire Pacific Fleet, and tens of thousands of Americans across the Pacific!"  Seriously.)

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ORIGINAL: NakisisaX

What's funny is that people make fun of conspiracy theories yet, people are convicted of  conspiracies and do serious time. It's not like its hard to beleive that this government had any involvement. I figure, if they knew or had clues and didn't act on it, they were involved. Imagine me knowing of a crime being committed and looking the other way just so I could say, "I didn't see anything", but I still knew what was happening...almost like pearl harbor.

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Now... what's far more intriguing {and troubling} to me about the whole 9-11 scenario, is this :  Why does such an overwhelming majority of the populace {Not just on collarme} distrust this government when it comes to Yellow Cake/Niger, WMD's, Haiti, The Patriot act, The Budget, NSA wire taps, Haliburton and no bid contracts, lack of border protection , illegal alien crisis etc, etc, yet most seem to trust them when it comes to their accounting / version of events regards 9-11?

In other words.... why is it plausible to believe that they lie about a great many other things, but yet when it's brought up that they may be lying about 9-11, we leave the arena of respectability and move to one which is filled with paranoia and conspiracy? For someone who deals in logic, that is perhaps the thing that doesn't make sense the most.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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ORIGINAL: NakisisaX

What's funny is that people make fun of conspiracy theories yet, people are convicted of  conspiracies and do serious time. It's not like its hard to beleive that this government had any involvement. I figure, if they knew or had clues and didn't act on it, they were involved. Imagine me knowing of a crime being committed and looking the other way just so I could say, "I didn't see anything", but I still knew what was happening...almost like pearl harbor.

You're on the money cuz. I absolutely don't believe Baron Rothschild, the PET or the Elders of Zion were in on this. LMAO!   But I most certainly believe they {elements of our government} knew about it, knew it was coming and did nothing to thwart it.

Now... what's far more intriguing {and troubling} to me about the whole 9-11 scenario, is this :  Why does such an overwhelming majority of the populace {Not just on collarme} distrust this government when it comes to Yellow Cake/Niger, WMD's, Haiti, The Patriot act, The Budget, NSA wire taps, Haliburton and no bid contracts, lack of border protection , illegal alien crisis etc, etc, yet most seem to trust them when it comes to their accounting / version of events regards 9-11?

In other words.... why is it plausible to believe that they lie about a great many other things, but yet when it's brought up that they may be lying about 9-11, we leave the arena of respectability and move to one which is filled with paranoia and conspiracy? For someone who deals in logic, that is perhaps the thing that doesn't make sense the most.

But like I said before..... I think the denial on the part of folks who see and believe this governments version of the  truth regards 9-11 has nothing to do with their lack of logic, and everything to do with a generational psyche {Kinda like a dog that's been bred throughout its existence to like the water} that's part of them{imbedded in them}which says the '' Trust your government'' ''We're the good guys'' '' And they're the bad guys''

It's a psyche that tells them they're not capable of such sinisterness and utter greed, therefore they cannot and will not self-project such evil on to anyone else. The methodology to reach a point of such traitorous and diabolic nature just isn't comprehendible for most. Just stop and think for a moment. Where in their minds would it leave them if they had to walk around in their daily lives each day knowing their government was complicit - Very scary.



 - R

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The other reasons are that independent analysis of the events of 9-11 are basically consistent with other independent analysis. There are some questions that have to be asked but somehow I do not see where the government could keep those not under their control from blowing the whistle if there was sufficient proof that the government was involved. It would have hit like a shit storm much like Watergate did.

The one other thing that makes me tend toward not buying the conspiracies is the fact that the ones that claim the government was involved have not been able to impeach the evidence on record. Impeach, not point to a small item and scream SEE??? Discrediting what is on record would be the only way, I think, that I could buy into that.

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Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims. "This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis." Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments." The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims. Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.

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Several experts are casting doubt on reports that Iran had passed a law requiring the country’s Jews and other religious minorities to wear coloured badges identifying them as non-Muslims. The Iranian embassy in Otttawa also denied the Iranian government had passed such a law.

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 At the risk of reigniting our last flame war: 

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Every single allegation put forth by 9/11 conspiracy theorists is provably false.

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I suppose we expect this kind of thing from hardcore Islamists, but hijacking a few planes and flying them into buildings?  Why, that's just inconceivable.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
I'm arguing the exact opposite of Ward Churchill, brother. I'm telling you that there's no way the dudes in the dirty pajamas and beards could pull this off without help from insiders. No way.  They may be able to put together a car bomb or run a 7-11, but there's no way they could take the towers down like that. 

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I'm arguing the exact opposite of Ward Churchill, brother. I'm telling you that there's no way the dudes in the dirty pajamas and beards could pull this off without help from insiders. No way.  They may be able to put together a car bomb or run a 7-11, but there's no way they could take the towers down like that. 

I remember reading an "analysis" in the old Chicago Tribune that was written in early 1941 that concluded the Japanese were no threat because they all were nearsighted and therefore couldn't fly aircraft effectively.

The thing about a "race" or any other large grouping of individuals is that it contains a broad range of capabilities and judging any individual on the basis of a real or supposed average is highly deceptive.  Back in the 1940's, most women weren't all that interested in science or math.  That didn't stop Grace Hopper from doing work at a level most men couldn't even comprehend.

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That's all I'm going to say on the subject.  I've made myself look like an ass around here twice too many times on this subject already.  If you want to continue, please write me on the other side.  I'd be happy to engage in a link-duel off-line.

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That's all I'm going to say on the subject.  I've made myself look like an ass around here twice too many times on this subject already.  If you want to continue, please write me on the other side.  I'd be happy to engage in a link-duel off-line.

Nah.... I think we're both alright. Of course once we come to topics such as '' Rude e-mails'' or ''No limit Slaves'', we might have to handicap ourselves a bit, as we may be slightly outclassed.



 - R