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mistoferin -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:25:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truesub4u Erin.. do I need to get drinks to stand in this line?... LOL Only if you are bringing enough for the rest of us....and they involve Ketel One, tonic and fresh limes........

truesub4u -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:27:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin quote: ORIGINAL: truesub4u Erin.. do I need to get drinks to stand in this line?... LOL Only if you are bringing enough for the rest of us....and they involve Ketel One, tonic and fresh limes........ LOL you got it... bar is restocked....

mixielicous -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:28:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin We're in trouble if that statistic is correct....it means that our collective intelligence levels have just dropped to that held by your average teen aged gang banger. i have to disagree with this b/c if there is anything i have learned from my reading about BDSM et al is that there is no right way to do it and if a majority of people whom pratice, want to break why does that make them any less intelligant than the rest of us.... personally, i feel that it appears to be one of the last tradations - one of many that are fading very very quickly. [do you even know anyone who seriously wore a collar of consideration?]

OTKkindaGirl -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:37:37 AM)
i am repeating myself from another thread in ask a Mistress here, but still it is my humble opinion. to me what it means to "break" is to take the very power from the submissive that is relinquishing and pushing it to what seems an unbearable point and then caressing it and holding on to it at that level, until the tears come and defeat of will seems a certainty. to have all your power taken from you temporarily doesn't make you a doormat it teaches humility and makes you humble and maybe even a little dependent on the one the person you have placed your trust in. does this faith not show strength in submissiveness? when i "break" on an emotional level, i tend to feel closer to my Master because he was able to draw something deep from within me, things that i have hidden away even in the subconscious. a physical "break" from a good whipping is hard to pull from me but it does happen on occassion but it usually ties in with subspace and the deeper level of an emotional break. it shouldn't be about "breaking" the spirit, but the will and the mind. to feel completely and utterly at the mercy of your chosen one, in that particular moment. that is just my opinion, and i will be very curious to see what all is said in this thread. thank you for posting as i have often wondered about this topic. i am still learning and these are just my own thoughts and feelings, who knows, they may be subject to change at a later date. respectfully.......

truesub4u -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:37:54 AM)
Yeah... me.. I seriously wore a collar of consideration. I'm not stating that ones who allow themselves to be beaten till broke are wrong... it's just not my thing... and if I have to do this.. to prove myself.. then i'll never be proven. And to me.. that's quite alright by me.... It's got not a damn thing to do with with intelligence either.

mixielicous -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:40:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truesub4u Yeah... me.. I seriously wore a collar of consideration. well, THATS awsome .. i see so few people doing it. like they think they go from aquaintence to slave with no dating [to make it Nilla analogous] in between..... then wonder why their Dom ... really wasnt right for them.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:41:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mixielicous et al is that there is no right way to do it and if a majority of people whom pratice, want to break why does that make them any less intelligant than the rest of us.... Well, like I said before, breaking really doesn't do what they say it will do. quote: personally, i feel that it appears to be one of the last tradations - one of many that are fading very very quickly. do you even know anyone who seriously wore a collar of consideration? Which tradition? Collaring? Or breaking someone?

mixielicous -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:46:48 AM)
breaking. i mean, i only know from how ever many hundreds of articles i have read about things, but i read article after article, written by people with a lot of years put into the lifestyle, participating in this activity. then i will come across others who are more new [10 yrs or less] and there appears to be no desire to break. . . . among others as far as tadation goes [the consideration collar, training collar etc] there seems to be a lack of formaility, and while i relish in the individuality a lifestyle such as this can be lived, i feel like in the past ... uhm it may have been a bigger deal.

mixielicous -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:48:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross Well, like I said before, breaking really doesn't do what they say it will do. have you NEVER seen this work? i will agree that is it a romantic idea, but to me, so isnt being baptized and getting married, and yet few people doubt their success at working

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:50:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mixielicous have you NEVER seen this work? i will agree that is it a romantic idea, but to me, so isnt being baptized and getting married, and yet few people doubt their success at working I've never seen it work in a consensual Ds or Ms context. Breaking people when it comes to bootcamp, when it comes to spiritual quests, when it comes to specific habits and such...those I've seen work. I know people who BREAK DOWN in relationships- in fact I don't know anyone who hasn't done that at some point, I think life requires it. But that's a completely different context and situation from "breaking someone."

mistoferin -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:54:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mixielicous quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin We're in trouble if that statistic is correct....it means that our collective intelligence levels have just dropped to that held by your average teen aged gang banger. i have to disagree with this b/c if there is anything i have learned from my reading about BDSM et al is that there is no right way to do it and if a majority of people whom pratice, want to break why does that make them any less intelligant than the rest of us.... personally, i feel that it appears to be one of the last tradations - one of many that are fading very very quickly. [do you even know anyone who seriously wore a collar of consideration?] Well, in case you didn't make the connection....it is common to have to be "jumped" into a gang. I did not however, know this was a tradition in the lifestyle, much less one of the last tradtions...lol. Here I been active in this lifestyle for 28 years and no one ever bothered to tell me.....the things ya learn from the internet!!!!!!!!

mixielicous -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:54:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I've never seen it work in a consensual Ds or Ms context. i respect that you have a plethura more real time experience when it comes to witnessing M/s/D/s relationships, but i cannot believe this concept does not bare success. Now i am wishing beyone belief that my planned on breaking had occured, so in 5 years i could say, "never say never" . . . eek

kittensmailbox -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:54:57 AM)
i know what you mean by broken... i too miss that feeling and doubt that anyone will ever be able to take me that deep again... Yes rose442, i do know what you mean...

mixielicous -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 9:58:20 AM)
oh well i may always stand corrected. so then that raises another point why is that what is seeping into the mainstream? obviously then there must be masses out there praticing it.. have you not heard of anyone doing this then in real life. i had to read it many times before i chose wether to accept it as 'regular' ... that added to my own opinions on the matter is how i formulated my opinion of course.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 10:02:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mixielicous so then that raises another point why is that what is seeping into the mainstream? obviously then there must be masses out there praticing it.. have you not heard of anyone doing this then in real life. i had to read it many times before i chose wether to accept it as 'regular' ... that added to my own opinions on the matter is how i formulated my opinion of course. There are masses TALKING about it. Big difference.

KreativeKontrol -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 10:04:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rose442 How does a slave get broken by her Master if there are kids in the home? First off a slave is not a horse, a slave is not broken but trained - training in turn is a meathod of teaching - your teacher is your Master in this case. It is the job of a Master to communicate His wishes to the slave. If these communications are verbal or not is one of the jobs the Master must teach His slave. Key words or gestures that have a meaning to Master/slave but to no one else can be very helpful, not only in front of children that should be left un-aware but also in public where it is best sometime to also leave the public un-aware of what is being said or done. Most of these can be worked into regular conversation in such a way that nobody is aware that a command was given. As to costumes and or nudity, well I think that would be best behind a locked door. Play or Punishments that create sounds should be avoided in the areas that there are persons that are to be left un-aware. During the time my son was at home (almost 20 years) W/we pulled it off. If I wanted to do something that created sound W/we went for a walk in the woods or went into the cellar when he was asleep or something else that didnt stand out. I made sure the gag sat good and tight in areas that sound was to be controlled.

mixielicous -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 10:05:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross There are masses TALKING about it. Big difference. well then there are masses lying about actually participating in it too which is a shame, because the events i was reading were supposed to be actual events from actual collaring.. ps - sorry for semi hijacking

KittenWithaTwist -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 10:06:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rose442 How does a slave get broken by her Master if there are kids in the home? I know that is what i need to feel the slave that i want to and need to feel. The Master/slave bond is not there like i need it to be. I always have doubt, and question Master, and don't feel like i am pleasing Him at all, at any point and time, and i don't feel fulfilled. But that is my fault, i think. Or what can be done to make me fill like there is no more room for love in my heart for my Master? rose442 When you say "broken" I think of an animal being abused and injured and screamed at until it breaks down and submits to whatever you wish it to do (consider elephants in the circus, if you will). Assuming this is what you wish to do, I don't recommend it, with or without your children there. "Breaking" someone isn't a good idea-at all. It forces dependency, it can seriously mess with your psyche, and it invites abuse into the relationship. Plus, with your children there, you can show them a side of yourself and your dominant that isn't really suited for a child-raising environment. Regardless of whether it's consensual or not, it's abuse, and children who see abuse are usually severely affected by it. Having your dominant abuse you and force you into submitting is NOT A GOOD IDEA. If you feel like you aren't doing what you need to do, perhaps you should sit down and really think about why you want to be submissive, why you feel this is what you need, and why you're counteracting what it is that you need. I went through this too. I thought submission was what I needed, but it wasn't. I'm not saying it isn't what you need, but it helps to sit down and really think about whether it's worth it to be abused by your dominant and possibly come out of it with a severe mental problem all because you think you need to submit to be happy.

mistoferin -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 10:06:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mixielicous have you not heard of anyone doing this then in real life. Yes mixie I have. Usually they are Doms/Dommes who have read on an internet site that it's standard or required, or who have been told by someone who read it or heard it somewhere else that it's standard or required. Personally, being the masochist that I am, I hope that my worst beating is still yet to come <weg>, but I can guarantee it won't be done under the guise of breaking me or making me more submissive. I am not a horse and I have no need to be broken. I am an adult who has chosen submission as my life's path....no severe beatings required to inspire that in me.

KittenWithaTwist -> RE: slaves being broken (5/16/2006 10:14:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mixielicous quote: ORIGINAL: truesub4u I gotta ask.... why one would even consider breaking one.... i've been told what makes me is who I am... to try and break me would make me something or someone I'll no longer be that attracted one to me in the begining. Guess i'm just odd one out here... that's what makes me ...... me. OOOOPs.... not being a slave.. only a sub.. I should of kept mouth shut. well when i was doing all my research about collaring ceremonies, i would say about 90% of the ones i found, included breaking it was purely physical; beaten into submission. its kind of like a prove yourself its "supposed" to be the most major beating of your submission to show that you were serious about it, to start you off extremely humble from the get-go. at least, thats what i picked up. nothing mentally, just physical. kinda like initiation. You don't see being beaten and humbled as mental? I do! Being hurt repeatedly has a major effect on your brain, on your thoughts, on your emotions. It can make you question why you're there, make you wonder what you did wrong. If you can't stop it, you may question your motivations or your dom's motivations or you may start screaming for help and receive none. You may feel helpless and alone, unwanted, insecure--that's why they call it "broken" not "beaten".

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