RE: What is a God ?

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

RE: What is a God ?

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: What is a God ?

Page: << < prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 next > >>

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:08:50 AM

LillyBoPeep

Posts: 6873
Joined: 12/29/2010
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
it puts the responsibility squarely on us.

exactly ^_^ i think the lack of this responsibility is the greatest problem in the world at the moment.

_____________________________

Midwestern Girl

"Obey your Master." Metallica

(in reply to HannahLynHeather)

Profile

Post #: 41

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:10:18 AM

LaTigresse

Posts: 26123
Joined: 1/15/2006
Status: offline

I am just going to ignore all the lively banter between the OP and my post.

I grew up in a very religious household and between there and here, came to hate.........and yes that is a perfect word to describe how I fee.......HATE organized religioun.

For ME........god is nothing more or less than pure love. An energy of sorts.

And a huge ditto to the post above mine.

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 6/29/2011 7:11:13 AM >

_____________________________

My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

(in reply to Termyn8or)

Profile

Post #: 42

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:12:42 AM

HannahLynHeather

Posts: 2950
Joined: 4/4/2011
From: where it's at
Status: offline

plato used 'demiurge" to mean the prime creator of all of fucking existence.

ok, on to your concept of god. since i got it way fucking wrong, and you think he does exist, and he is life, i'll pose the same basic questions as i did to orchid.
1. is he the totality of the life forces of everything?
2. is he the source of life?
3. the personification of life?
4. the incarnation of life?

_____________________________

clique? i don't need no stinking clique!

fuck a duck ~w. disney

My Twitter: http://twitter.com/HannahFuck

i hope you enjoyed the post, and as always my friends....have a nice day

(in reply to cpK69)

Profile

Post #: 43

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:14:59 AM

LaTigresse

Posts: 26123
Joined: 1/15/2006
Status: offline

Hannah, obviously I cannot answer for CP but for myself.........first of all it is genderless to me. It rises above gender and is the energy of life.

I suck at explaining how I feel about this and don't often get into these discussions because of it.

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 6/29/2011 7:16:05 AM >

_____________________________

My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

(in reply to HannahLynHeather)

Profile

Post #: 44

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:18:13 AM

HannahLynHeather

Posts: 2950
Joined: 4/4/2011
From: where it's at
Status: offline

fuck yes!

good looking, big fucking tits, smart, persistent, honest, intellectually agile, and she fucking belly dances!!!

why the fuck hasn't one of you fucking guys not snatched this fucking gem up long ago? you guys need glasses or what?

_____________________________

clique? i don't need no stinking clique!

fuck a duck ~w. disney

My Twitter: http://twitter.com/HannahFuck

i hope you enjoyed the post, and as always my friends....have a nice day

(in reply to LillyBoPeep)

Profile

Post #: 45

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:20:41 AM

Musicmystery

Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline

"God" is an attempt to finitely define the infinite. Such efforts, however useful as a start, are doomed to criticism from nitpickers, who will always find the flaw, but be unable to complete the task themselves.

It's why Taoism, from the early portions of the Tao Te Ching, stresses "the Tao that can be told is not the Tao," along with "What is it? I do not know. I call it Great."

In short, it doesn't really matter what it is. And it doesn't really matter what God is, or even whether God is.

Some things, whatever they may be, are beyond the mind. This is one of them.

(in reply to LaTigresse)

Profile

Post #: 46

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:22:25 AM

LaTigresse

Posts: 26123
Joined: 1/15/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"God" is an attempt to finitely define the infinite. Such efforts, however useful as a start, are doomed to criticism from nitpickers, who will always find the flaw, but be unable to complete the task themselves.

It's why Taoism, from the early portions of the Tao Te Ching, stresses "the Tao that can be told is not the Tao," along with "What is it? I do not know. I call it Great."

In short, it doesn't really matter what it is. And it doesn't really matter what God is, or even whether God is.

Some things, whatever they may be, are beyond the mind. This is one of them.

An excellent explanation.Which is why I identify it as a......love energy, but not in the sense of how most define or, perhaps limit, love.

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 6/29/2011 7:23:23 AM >

_____________________________

My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

(in reply to Musicmystery)

Profile

Post #: 47

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:23:26 AM

HannahLynHeather

Posts: 2950
Joined: 4/4/2011
From: where it's at
Status: offline

no probs tiger lady, i'll just do what i did with lilly, i'll ask my wonderfully fucking insightful questions until you better conceptualize your view

<an adaptation of the socratic method if you will>

so this energy of love/life, do you see it as an actual conscious entity, is it self aware? is it even fucking aware of us?

_____________________________

clique? i don't need no stinking clique!

fuck a duck ~w. disney

My Twitter: http://twitter.com/HannahFuck

i hope you enjoyed the post, and as always my friends....have a nice day

(in reply to LaTigresse)

Profile

Post #: 48

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:24:12 AM

LillyBoPeep

Posts: 6873
Joined: 12/29/2010
Status: offline

haha why thank you hannah, i am verklempt

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
It's why Taoism, from the early portions of the Tao Te Ching, stresses "the Tao that can be told is not the Tao," along with "What is it? I do not know. I call it Great."

that's something i can get behind.

_____________________________

Midwestern Girl

"Obey your Master." Metallica

(in reply to Musicmystery)

Profile

Post #: 49

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:25:41 AM

LaTigresse

Posts: 26123
Joined: 1/15/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

no probs tiger lady, i'll just do what i did with lilly, i'll ask my wonderfully fucking insightful questions until you better conceptualize your view <an adaptation of the socratic method if you will>

so this energy of love/life, do you see it as an actual conscious entity, is it self aware? is it even fucking aware of us?

No I don't see it as a separate entity but a shared, or perhaps enveloping, energy. Only as aware as we are, but also there........waiting for us to acknowledge it is there.

Rather like tuning into a radio frequency that was there all along. We just didn't have the ability or awareness it existed.

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 6/29/2011 7:26:49 AM >

_____________________________

My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

(in reply to HannahLynHeather)

Profile

Post #: 50

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:26:10 AM

mnottertail

Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline

and so on down to the bible, that the very rocks would cry out.....
and another philosophy that says the rock cannot explain itself
and the TTC that says heaven and earth do not care....

the self referential circuitousness is .....

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30

(in reply to Musicmystery)

Profile

Post #: 51

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:27:15 AM

cpK69

Posts: 1593
Joined: 5/9/2008
Status: offline

I’ll go with; Life is an intelligent energy that lends itself to all living things. Does that answer the question sufficiently?
Kim

_____________________________

Humility is where weakness and strength meet and humanity begins.

one voice

(in reply to HannahLynHeather)

Profile

Post #: 52

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:27:50 AM

Musicmystery

Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline

quote:

An excellent explanation.Which is why I identify it as a......love energy, but not in the sense of how most define or, perhaps limit, love.

And furthermore, as anyone from any tradition or philosophy who has really worked this knows first hand--it works.

(in reply to LaTigresse)

Profile

Post #: 53

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:33:59 AM

HannahLynHeather

Posts: 2950
Joined: 4/4/2011
From: where it's at
Status: offline

well speaking as one of those fucking nitpickers, i say if your concept can't stand up to scrutiny its a fucking flawed concept.

and while the basic premise you start with, a finite definition of the infinite, that's fucking good, i'll accept that as a definition of the concept of the divine.

the rest of it is pretty much prettily worded obfuscation. it says a lot of fuck all other than "i know what i know but can't possibly explain it", followed by "it's impossible to know so don't fret your pretty little head over it"

a big fucking cop out if you ask me.

i gather you're a taoist, do you accept the various deities associated with taoism, or just the philosophical basis?

_____________________________

clique? i don't need no stinking clique!

fuck a duck ~w. disney

My Twitter: http://twitter.com/HannahFuck

i hope you enjoyed the post, and as always my friends....have a nice day

(in reply to Musicmystery)

Profile

Post #: 54

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:34:54 AM

Madamknowsall

Posts: 3
Joined: 12/8/2010
Status: offline

It's important to make the distinction between God and religion. Religions are clubs. If you belong to this or that club, then you share a common belief with your club members about who or what God is and how that God wants you to behave, and you are willing to fight to the death to prove that your God is better than any other God.

That is, however, an irrational perspective of God because to be God, the Creator of all, the One, God would have be all inclusive, and therefore, any belief system which is exclusive to others can't possibly represent the wholeness. Unless God is God to the whole world/universe, then He or She is less than the whole and therefore a god, with a lower case g. There are many gods, with a god in this sense being defined as the ideal of that form, such as the highest ideal of flowers, or dogs, or whatever. For many people, sex is their god, or money, etc.

St. Anselm, a theologian, spent years trying to find an irrefutable definition of God, which is this: God is the thought than which none higher can be thought.

In the most abstract sense, God is the ultimate thought that created the entire universe. In the personal sense, it's a good question to ponder for self-understanding, and that is: what is the highest thought or desire or ideal that you have? That is a measure of how high you can reach.

Biblically (quoted not as exclusive to other religions which also say the same thing but because it is what most of us are the most familiar with) Christ (who is as good as any other saint or avatar to quote as nearly as interpreters and story tellers can allow us to quote) said, "The Kingdom of Heaven is WITHIN you."

By this, then, we can conclude that God is not a "being" outside of ourselves, or a religion, or a set of behaviors but the discovery of what is highest in oneself, and transcend that highest again and again to get an even greater "highest," until one ultimately arrives at the "the highest thought than which none higher can be thought" ---- the most universal Oneness that is beyond description, and then we discover that God--and whatever judgments there are--are ultimately ourselves...or to be perfectly correct, our Self, as at the most fundamental level, we are the Unified Field, singular.

(in reply to cpK69)

Profile

Post #: 55

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:36:33 AM

HannahLynHeather

Posts: 2950
Joined: 4/4/2011
From: where it's at
Status: offline

so really a sort of extension of ourselves?

could it fucking exist without us?

_____________________________

clique? i don't need no stinking clique!

fuck a duck ~w. disney

My Twitter: http://twitter.com/HannahFuck

i hope you enjoyed the post, and as always my friends....have a nice day

(in reply to LaTigresse)

Profile

Post #: 56

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:39:35 AM

HannahLynHeather

Posts: 2950
Joined: 4/4/2011
From: where it's at
Status: offline

yes it does kim, very fucking well.

do you see this energy as the creator of the fucking universe, or as a part of creation?

and is it aware?

_____________________________

clique? i don't need no stinking clique!

fuck a duck ~w. disney

My Twitter: http://twitter.com/HannahFuck

i hope you enjoyed the post, and as always my friends....have a nice day

(in reply to cpK69)

Profile

Post #: 57

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:42:32 AM

Icarys

Posts: 5757
Status: offline

quote:

fuck off icky! go argue with pam, its her fucking idea!

quote:

ok, so you see evidence of god in the amazing complexity and elegance of creation. fair enough, actually one of the fucking more compelling arguments for the existence of a god. now since you do believe, what, to you, is this god? after all, that is the fucking topic of this thread.

I'm not sure. The closest I can come to is a parent.

_____________________________

submission - the feeling of patient, submissive humbleness - the state of being submissive or compliant; meekness.

Alaska Bound-The Official Countdown Has Started!
http://tinyurl.com/872mcu3
http://alturl.com/mog7m

(in reply to HannahLynHeather)

Profile

Post #: 58

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:44:03 AM

Musicmystery

Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline

quote:

speaking as one of those fucking nitpickers, i say if your concept can't stand up to scrutiny its a fucking flawed concept

This is the heart of your problem. You want to sit one the sidelines and take shots as people parade by.

Not so good at articulating a cohesive position yourself. All you've proved so far is that you're young and act it.

Additionally, you aren't interested in understanding; you're playing a game, interested only in "winning."

So everyone is stupid. But then you have no answers.

Welcome to Earth.

(in reply to HannahLynHeather)

Profile

Post #: 59

RE: What is a God ? - 6/29/2011 7:44:52 AM

HannahLynHeather

Posts: 2950
Joined: 4/4/2011
From: where it's at
Status: offline

very fucking good. i like this, again, because it is within us, it doesn't presuppose some fucking external entity.

in your view, is god self aware?
is god aware of us?
and did this creative thought preexist the fucking creation, or did it appear with the creation?

_____________________________

clique? i don't need no stinking clique!

fuck a duck ~w. disney

My Twitter: http://twitter.com/HannahFuck

i hope you enjoyed the post, and as always my friends....have a nice day

(in reply to Madamknowsall)

Profile

Post #: 60