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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 5:14:03 PM   
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Weigel points out the significance of today's 6th Circuit Court decision upholding the constitutionality of health care reform:

This is a big deal. It's not just that "a court" found that the individual mandate in the Affordable Care Act is constitutional. It's that the judge, Jeffrey Sutton, was appointed by George W. Bush. This is the first time a Bush appointee has sided with the administration on the ACA.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0611/Bush_appointee_ruled_on_health_care.html



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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 5:14:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Read the other article, willbe.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/02/133416600/how-will-supreme-court-rule-on-health-care-law

Everyone is so sure this will fail because the SC is conservative. The article above, and in the post you quoted, shows its not just about party lines.

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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 5:19:41 PM   
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Read the other article, willbe.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/02/133416600/how-will-supreme-court-rule-on-health-care-law

Everyone is so sure this will fail because the SC is conservative. The article above, and in the post you quoted, shows its not just about party lines.


No, but it is about constructionist/activist lines, and this SCOTUS will never uphold it. Bush's lower level appointments were not along party lines to start with (unfortunately).

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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 5:27:51 PM   
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Holy shit!

I hope the Supreme Court knocks this shit down.

If they do, it will be another nearly 100 year precedent that will be struck down. I know, people are only supposed to be 'mandated' to pay, war profits/debt, huge subsidies, ya know....those great free-market [sic] mandates.

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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 5:37:29 PM   
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I look at other countries that have Social Med. and it sucks there. Gr8 Brit. people are always complaining so are the Canadians. and our taxes are high now. just wait and see what they will be when this shit kicks in (nothing is free)

Wrong, smartguy, There are lots of things wrong withthe NHS and Canadian medical system,we whine because we can, and because there ARE things wrong with it. but when it comes down to it.. it works, slowly, but it gets it done...and none of us...want your healthcare system, except for the people who can afford to pay top dollar, and they already do.




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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 6:00:44 PM   
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I would be behind congress cutting that mandate out of the law.


Cut the mandate, the law wont work.

Those "forced" to pay are those who can afford to pay.


cut the mandate (in the timeframe we are looking at), and we would have to go to universal single payer healthcare, not such a big step now.



Which they should have done in the first place, but they didn't have the balls. The Dems had a historic opportunity - they had the White House, both houses of Congress, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, and they still didn't have the guts just to ram single-payer through once and for all and be done with it. Cowards.


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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 6:12:42 PM   
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Look at it both ways:

1. SCOTUS declares this bill to be constitutional; Obama and the Democrats win. States like Idaho and Montana will certainly nullify the bill. Others will follow. The Feds will launch a counter-attack and there will be a struggle between the Feds and the States that has not been seen since the War Between the States. (I'm not saying that the Feds will invade the states 1860's style, but there WILL be tremendous hostility and legal battles between the States and the Feds). Far-right activists and radicals will get violent and this outcome could become known as the straw that broke the camels back for many conservatives, libertarians, and even centrists. There will be mass demonstrations in populous states like California, Florida, and Texas. If Obama is still in office, then successionist movements will be discussed at the state level - succession will be a topic of discussion on the mainstream media.

2. SCOTUS throws the bill out and Obama's crown jewel achievement is tossed to the dust bins of history. Radical Leftists and Marxists will rise up and start chaos; even more so if a Republican is in office during the invalidation. There will be mass demonstrations in populous states like California, Florida, and Texas. Leftist cities like Detroit, Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles will see large-scale demonstrations and potential riots. Moderate democrats and progressives could join the fray depending on economic conditions if they consider it to be the straw that broke the camels back. Remember, since Congress passed the bill and Obama signed it, many Leftists already assume that they will have health care in 2012 and that the bill is constitutional. The invalidation would decimate their hopes and could cause them to lash out.

If the economy isn't getting better by the time this decision is made (it won't) then it could (it will) really heat up here in the US within the next year or two.

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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 6:14:42 PM   
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How about those riots there as well? Yep.. something we really want here.


Today they set 2 banks on fire there. 

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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 6:15:58 PM   
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Hardly, your sarcasm meter, as usual, is defunct.


Blah blah blah.   The govt has no right to mandate me to buy ANYTHING.  Period.   So yeah- the mandate is dumb.

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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 6:25:43 PM   
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Hardly, your sarcasm meter, as usual, is defunct.


Blah blah blah.   The govt has no right to mandate me to buy ANYTHING.  Period.   So yeah- the mandate is dumb.


SO tell us pa...who's insurance do you use?

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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/29/2011 6:39:49 PM   
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Hardly, your sarcasm meter, as usual, is defunct.


Blah blah blah.   The govt has no right to mandate me to buy ANYTHING.  Period.   So yeah- the mandate is dumb.



Remember that the next time you pull out your ID card.

And Mark has a great question.

pahunk.... what insurance do you use?

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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/30/2011 11:51:04 AM   
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.................Which they should have done in the first place, but they didn't have the balls. The Dems had a historic opportunity - they had the White House, both houses of Congress, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, and they still didn't have the guts just to ram single-payer through once and for all and be done with it. Cowards.



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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/30/2011 12:04:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		No,I think Panda has it right...they were cowards..they convinced themselves that had they done so 2010 would have been a bloodbath ...so instead they gave us this watered down version(still a step forward). And the Republicans demagogued it anyway to the tune of lots of new Republican Senators and Congressman.....cowards is an apt description.Better they lost their seats having accomplished something monumental.

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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/30/2011 12:15:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		How did the original idea of "getting healthcare for people who can't afford our current system" turn into "every person must purchase healthcare"?


The insurance lobby.

Polls have shown that companies would be inclined to drop health insurance when the onus for being insured goes to the individual. If I had a company and I knew that the employees would be compelled to buy insurance if I didn't provide it, I doubt that I would provide it either. I would hope that I would give those employees some of my savings (via better wages) from not insuring them.

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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/30/2011 1:44:02 PM   
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RE: Health Care Act Insurance Mandate Lawful - 6/30/2011 4:22:06 PM   
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Well, that's an interesting development. Still one more court to be heard from, though. I'm not sure I'd be counting too many chickens yet.


Oh, I am sure they'll try and pump this through any state that'll hear the case before this story is over.
Nice thing about precedent is that it tends to snowball from state to state. A jurist in say Georgia can look to the decision of a jurist in say Ohio, and conclude that this matter has already been decided, or perhaps formulate it into their own decision.
   But you're right... no chicks hatched yet. But my understanding is the opposition in Cincy was pretty confident about winning the decision.

BTW - Here's a pretty good analysis of how the decision worked:

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/06/29/6th-circuit-court-rules-health-care-law-constitutional/




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