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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 6/30/2011 5:05:59 PM   
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Right now this is a report by two Harvard profs, but it is neither published nor peer reviewed.  Further, check out this brief on their methodology:

"In their paper, the researchers use a simple but novel strategy to address these problems: they use historical data on rainfall on Fourth of July. When it rains children and their parents are less likely to participate and the events are often cancelled. Moreover, since rain is a random event, some children growing up experience nice weather and are more likely to celebrate, while others are hit by bad weather making it less likely that they join the festivities. This allows the researchers to isolate the effect of attending the celebrations from other important factors such as family background and education. "    (http://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/news/articles/4th-july-paper-david-yanagizawa-drott)

From what I can tell, the study estimates the attendance of a given population of 3-18 year-olds at 4th of July parades from 1920 through 1990 via the amount of rainfall on the 4th.  That data is mathematically correlated with state-wide political preferences throughout election cycles in the same time-frame. This is how the study matches parade attendance with political preference; it's not about individuals their parade attendance and how they voted, it's about assumed cohorts. The study also attempts to mathematically account for co-variants such as race (White and non-White), education (high school education + some college or college education ONLY), gender, and marital status.  Notice that co-variants are measured on a binary scale- either one or the other. Many categories are left out including the political ideology of the child's family.  Also, I am not sure about comparing the parade attendance of a 16 year-old with a 5 year-old.  One is likely to be more affected than another, and again, the study doesn't account for this.

On the chance that this study holds water, there is a small percentage difference in favor of conservatives dependent on whether kids attended parades when they were young.  Also, if the methodology holds up, I expect conservatives will stop whining about the liberal bias of colleges and universities because, as we all now know from this study, a liberal professor cannot possibly change the political affiliation of an impressionable college student since a student's political ideology is fixed for life based on the attendance or non-attendance at Independence Day parades (sarcasm intended).

For those interested, the entire report can be found here:  http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/dyanagi/Research/FourthOfJuly.pdf

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 6/30/2011 5:12:14 PM   
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Well I guess this proves that just because an idea comes from Harvard, it doesn't necessarily mean there is any intelligence behind it.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 6/30/2011 5:19:47 PM   
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Could be, but I think the stats behind it are correct.... The question is more about whether you agree with the design.  This study does validly answer the research questions the authors asked. 

Food for thought.... There are a lot of news outlets and bloggers who have picked up this as a story.  Most of the time they have a sensational headline to go with a woefully lacking blurb summarizing only the results of the research.  How many of them do you think read anything more than the press release from Harvard?  Any bets on how many read through the 40 page paper and checked out the statistical methods involved?

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 6/30/2011 5:21:11 PM   
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A 4th of July thread......Stand by for some fireworks.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 6/30/2011 7:38:14 PM   
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I just got a visual of a holiday where conservatives in Depends dance around

Actually "Independance" Day is February 22nd, when Independents get stoned and dance in celebration of the first and only President of the United States to grow marijuana and win election as an Independent.

K.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 6/30/2011 7:55:23 PM   
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Maybe it means that Republicans/Conservatives tend to come from small towns and rural areas as these are the areas that tend to have more July 4th parades and such.

What say you Sanity? Would that be a consideration?


Signed a small town guy who isnt a Republican...........OR a Democrat.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 6/30/2011 8:49:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

I just got a visual of a holiday where conservatives in Depends dance around

Actually "Independance" Day is February 22nd, when Independents get stoned and dance in celebration of the first and only President of the United States to grow marijuana and win election as an Independent.

K.



I thought that day was April 20th

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 2:04:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Signed a small town guy who isnt a Republican...........OR a Democrat.


Steady on Will...... You are starting to sound like Popeye.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 2:17:22 AM   
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What I find the most troubling is that someone must have actually funded this study. Geez louise! Surely there are far more deserving studies out there that could have used that money.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 3:57:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kat321

Right now this is a report by two Harvard profs, but it is neither published nor peer reviewed.  Further, check out this brief on their methodology:

"In their paper, the researchers use a simple but novel strategy to address these problems: they use historical data on rainfall on Fourth of July. When it rains children and their parents are less likely to participate and the events are often cancelled. Moreover, since rain is a random event, some children growing up experience nice weather and are more likely to celebrate, while others are hit by bad weather making it less likely that they join the festivities. This allows the researchers to isolate the effect of attending the celebrations from other important factors such as family background and education. "    (http://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/news/articles/4th-july-paper-david-yanagizawa-drott)

From what I can tell, the study estimates the attendance of a given population of 3-18 year-olds at 4th of July parades from 1920 through 1990 via the amount of rainfall on the 4th.  That data is mathematically correlated with state-wide political preferences throughout election cycles in the same time-frame. This is how the study matches parade attendance with political preference; it's not about individuals their parade attendance and how they voted, it's about assumed cohorts. The study also attempts to mathematically account for co-variants such as race (White and non-White), education (high school education + some college or college education ONLY), gender, and marital status.  Notice that co-variants are measured on a binary scale- either one or the other. Many categories are left out including the political ideology of the child's family.  Also, I am not sure about comparing the parade attendance of a 16 year-old with a 5 year-old.  One is likely to be more affected than another, and again, the study doesn't account for this.

On the chance that this study holds water, there is a small percentage difference in favor of conservatives dependent on whether kids attended parades when they were young.  Also, if the methodology holds up, I expect conservatives will stop whining about the liberal bias of colleges and universities because, as we all now know from this study, a liberal professor cannot possibly change the political affiliation of an impressionable college student since a student's political ideology is fixed for life based on the attendance or non-attendance at Independence Day parades (sarcasm intended).

For those interested, the entire report can be found here:  http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/dyanagi/Research/FourthOfJuly.pdf


I really hope this study wasn't funded by any sort of government grant.
What utter nonsense.


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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 5:47:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Signed a small town guy who isnt a Republican...........OR a Democrat.


Steady on Will...... You are starting to sound like Popeye.

Well, polite. I'm definitely not as far to the liberal side as you are (which is cool) but neither an I very far on the conservative end of the spectrum. What else would you call Me?

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 5:49:48 AM   
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The study seems to be a classic case of "chicken or egg".

Do children grow up conservative because they attend Independence Day celebrations or do they grow up conservative because the environment of their youth is one which fosters Independence day celebrations?

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 5:49:53 AM   
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Just remember this Harvard study the next time domken tries to tell us that a college paper is a reliable source for something

quote:

ORIGINAL: Anarrus

I really hope this study wasn't funded by any sort of government grant.
What utter nonsense.



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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 5:51:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Just remember this Harvard study the next time domken tries to tell us that a college paper is a reliable source for something

quote:

ORIGINAL: Anarrus

I really hope this study wasn't funded by any sort of government grant.
What utter nonsense.



That's right Sanity. You find ONE college paper that is BS and that means EVERY college paper is BS.

Does that mean ALL Republicans suck cock in airport bathrooms?

Same logic

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 6:01:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Just remember this Harvard study the next time domken tries to tell us that a college paper is a reliable source for something

quote:

ORIGINAL: Anarrus

I really hope this study wasn't funded by any sort of government grant.
What utter nonsense.



That's right Sanity. You find ONE college paper that is BS and that means EVERY college paper is BS.

Does that mean ALL Republicans suck cock in airport bathrooms?

Same logic



The logic of Sanity....

Now that would be a study worth funding.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 6:02:45 AM   
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Correction, means theyre all suspect

Which only fools like you believe everything youre told

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That's right Sanity. You find ONE college paper that is BS and that means EVERY college paper is BS.

Does that mean ALL Republicans suck cock in airport bathrooms?

Same logic


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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 6:11:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

I just got a visual of a holiday where conservatives in Depends dance around

Actually "Independance" Day is February 22nd, when Independents get stoned and dance in celebration of the first and only President of the United States to grow marijuana and win election as an Independent.

K.

I'm all in favor of more holidays. More sales. Pity I have random UDTs, though. No weed; have to make do with oxy.

I think Cinco de Mayo and Bastille Day should be official holidays. maybe even Guy Fawkes day, too.


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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 6:15:03 AM   
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*shrugs*

It just seems to fit into an evolving political meme:

1. Expressions of patriotism are fascist indicators
2. Fascism is bad
3. Republicans display more indicators of conventional American patriotism.
4. Therefore Republicans are more fascist than "the other guys".
5. Vote for "the other guys".

Coming from Harvard just seems to be fitting.

Whether any of this is true or not is immaterial.

Firm


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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 6:33:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
Correction, means theyre all suspect

Which only fools like you believe everything youre told


Then that means all republicans are suspected of sucking cocks in airport bathrooms.

Just following your logic, as flawed as it has always been.


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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 6:55:42 AM   
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A part of a larger political theme at many of our colleges and universities, the main reason their "research" cannot automatically be assumed to be unbiased

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

*shrugs*

It just seems to fit into an evolving political meme:

1. Expressions of patriotism are fascist indicators
2. Fascism is bad
3. Republicans display more indicators of conventional American patriotism.
4. Therefore Republicans are more fascist than "the other guys".
5. Vote for "the other guys".

Coming from Harvard just seems to be fitting.

Whether any of this is true or not is immaterial.

Firm



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