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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 7:06:02 AM   
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A part of a larger political theme at many of our colleges and universities, the main reason their "research" cannot automatically be assumed to be unbiased

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FR:

*shrugs*

It just seems to fit into an evolving political meme:

1. Expressions of patriotism are fascist indicators
2. Fascism is bad
3. Republicans display more indicators of conventional American patriotism.
4. Therefore Republicans are more fascist than "the other guys".
5. Vote for "the other guys".

Coming from Harvard just seems to be fitting.

Whether any of this is true or not is immaterial.

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What it seems to one who is on a political board and pushing a one true way meme and what it says is not at all in the list.

Although the number two there, gave me a secret chuckle if you think about it.  And most of the rest is off the mark, I don't know of any political meme (unless it is a republican one and therefore self referentially circular) that says that republicans display any sort of patriotism that anyone else doesnt display. In fact, I think you will find more examples of the political meme that republicans are ruining this country.  

I do buy into the vote for the other guys mentality though, I have seen your prior and current work, and have no need to see any sequels.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 7:12:41 AM   
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A part of a larger political theme at many of our colleges and universities,



Yet another reason to ban colleges and universities.

Everything worth learning can be learned at public picnics and parades.





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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 7:23:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		All I know is that I am going to enjoy the barbeque, the baked beans, the beer, the doobies and the fireworks... my way of celebrating being part of a great country (despite what all the arrogant, ignorant, bigoted whiners, moaners, and bitchers determind to see life only as tragedy or through the lens of ideology think).

If anyone out there doesn't like that or are determind to read more into that than there is... they can bite me while I shove an American flag down their throat and some spraklers in their ass and sing "Yankee Doodle Dandy."

Have a happy Fourth, Everyone.



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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 7:32:19 AM   
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Rather than delve into your silly false dichotomies, a better plan would be to examine public funding options and on the personal level consider sending our young adults to get an education at more balanced institutions vs. the very expensive ideological indoctrination / brain washing they would receive at certain other institutions

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A part of a larger political theme at many of our colleges and universities,



Yet another reason to ban colleges and universities.

Everything worth learning can be learned at public picnics and parades.






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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 7:35:40 AM   
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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 7:52:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Independence Day is for US citizens, both Conservative and Liberal. Why do you think it's only for Conservatives? Do you think Republicans are more patriotic? Do you think Republicans make better military leaders? Perhaps you forgot whose plan worked in catching Osama Bin Laden.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 8:14:07 AM   
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Independence Day is for US citizens, both Conservative and Liberal. Why do you think it's only for Conservatives? Do you think Republicans are more patriotic? Do you think Republicans make better military leaders? Perhaps you forgot whose plan worked in catching Osama Bin Laden.


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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 8:14:19 AM   
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A part of a larger political theme at many of our colleges and universities,



Yet another reason to ban colleges and universities.

Everything worth learning can be learned at public picnics and parades and by watching Fox News





I fixed it for ya Edwynn

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 8:22:13 AM   
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A part of a larger political theme at many of our colleges and universities,



Yet another reason to ban the Internet and FOX NEWS.

Everything worth learning can be learned at liberal arts basket weaving classes and union halls and by watching MSNBC





I fixed it for ya Edwynn


I fixed it for ya Hill


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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 8:27:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, there are no conservative colleges, they are anti-intellectual.  There are conservative think tanks, but nothing goes on that could even mimic sentient there.

No rain today in Perham, looks like its gonna be a republican 4th.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 8:28:23 AM   
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A part of a larger political theme at many of our colleges and universities,



Yet another reason to ban the Internet and FOX NEWS.

Everything worth learning can be learned at liberal arts basket weaving classes and union halls and by watching MSNBC





I fixed it for ya Edwynn


I fixed it for ya Hill


Good thing Ive never seen the inside of a union hall, don't watch MSNBC and had a double science major/double science minor so I didn't have time for all those liberal classes (thank God for Honors/Priveleged studies or Id have never gotten done in 4 years).

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY I don't hafta worry about liberalness.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 8:30:02 AM   
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Well, there are no conservative colleges, they are anti-intellectual.  There are conservative think tanks, but nothing goes on that could even mimic sentient there.

No rain today in Perham, looks like its gonna be a republican 4th.

Now, C.mon there's ORU where the presidential hopeful Bachman went and Jerry Foulwell's joint the strangely named "Liberty".

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 8:44:20 AM   
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The study seems to be a classic case of "chicken or egg".

Do children grow up conservative because they attend Independence Day celebrations or do they grow up conservative because the environment of their youth is one which fosters Independence day celebrations?



Well I was taken to the fireworks every year since I was born and I was a democrat for the first 30-35 years of my life. My parents where also democrats back then. My grandparents were republican but I don't ever remember them coming with us. Not sure what that tells you.

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 8:45:45 AM   
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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 8:47:58 AM   
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Independence Day is for US citizens, both Conservative and Liberal. Why do you think it's only for Conservatives? Do you think Republicans are more patriotic? Do you think Republicans make better military leaders? Perhaps you forgot whose plan worked in catching Osama Bin Laden.



Do you think he conducted the study?

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 10:20:47 AM   
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Not sure what that tells you.


That the "study" was ridiculous.


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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 10:36:55 AM   
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We all knew it



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Harvard: July 4th Parades Are Right-Wing


Democratic political candidates can skip this weekend's July 4th parades. A new Harvard University study finds that July 4th parades energize only Republicans, turn kids into Republicans, and help to boost the GOP turnout of adults on Election Day.

"Fourth of July celebrations in the United States shape the nation's political landscape by forming beliefs and increasing participation, primarily in favor of the Republican Party," said the report from Harvard.

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The three key findings of those attending July 4th celebrations:
  • When done before the age of 18, it increases the likelihood of a youth identifying as a Republican by at least 2 percent.
  • It raises the likelihood that parade watchers will vote for a Republican candidate by 4 percent.
  • It boosts the likelihood a reveler will vote by about 1 percent and increases the chances they'll make a political contribution by 3 percent.
What's more, the impact isn't fleeting. "Surprisingly, the estimates show that the impact on political preferences is permanent, with no evidence of the effects depreciating as individuals become older,"said the Harvard report. Finally, the report suggests that if people are looking for a super-patriotic July 4th, though should head to Republican towns. "Republican adults celebrate Fourth of July more intensively in the first place."


Full article at: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/06/30/harvard-july-4th-parades-are-right-wing




So what the finding is saying is that weather on the 4th indicates how you are going to vote.



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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 10:39:45 AM   
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Now there is a proveable causal relationship there, and I will leave it as an exercise to the reader.

What I did find interesting is that there has been alot of rain since the republican Hoover administration. 

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RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives - 7/1/2011 11:13:50 AM   
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RE: Independance Day Claim Debunked - 7/1/2011 11:36:21 AM   
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"The political right has been more successful in appropriating American patriotism and its symbols during the 20th century. Survey evidence also confirms that Republicans consider themselves more patriotic than Democrats. According to this interpretation, there is a political congruence between the patriotism promoted on Fourth of July and the values associated with the Republican party. Fourth of July celebrations in Republican dominated counties may thus be more politically biased events that socialize children into Republicans," write Harvard Kennedy School Assistant Professor David Yanagizawa-Drott and Bocconi University Assistant Professor Andreas Madestam.

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