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mnottertail -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 7:40:33 AM)
Well he is a tenured professor at some minor seat of learning with his bs in communcation from tallahassee Ju Co.

Musicmystery -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 7:41:06 AM)
Uh-huh. Pull my finger...

Sanity -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 7:48:16 AM)
So Much for the Fireworks, Mr. President... [image]http://www.newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/cartoon_500/cartoons/nofireworksthisfourth.jpg[/image]

Musicmystery -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 7:51:23 AM)
[image]http://www.pensitoreview.com/Wordpress/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images/chart-job-growth-bush-obama.jpg[/image]

Musicmystery -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 7:53:08 AM)
[image]http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/jobs.gif[/image]

FirmhandKY -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 7:56:54 AM)
MM, your charts are over a year old. Firm

Musicmystery -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 7:59:20 AM)
Firm, don't know how to tell you this.....but we're IN 2011 now. So....the charts go up to the last year. But here you go...through May. [image]http://reflectionsofarationalrepublican.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/change-in-total-private-employment-liberal-may-2011.png[/image]

Sanity -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:02:00 AM)
quote: Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure[ Read more: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1910208,00.html#ixzz1QxaotHEl

Musicmystery -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:04:10 AM)
Ah.....moving goal posts, I see. That article is also two years old, btw.

Sanity -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:06:26 AM)
It would be nice to see the chart go back through the beginning of Bushs first term, as unemployment averaged between four and five percent under his tenure It should include who had control of the House and Senate in that, and when With a little disclaimer about Barney Frank and Chris Dodds role in the housing market collapse as well quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Firm, don't know how to tell you this.....but we're IN 2011 now. So....the charts go up to the last year. But here you go...through May. [image]http://reflectionsofarationalrepublican.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/change-in-total-private-employment-liberal-may-2011.png[/image]

Musicmystery -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:07:54 AM)
Your point (cartoon) was about losing jobs under Obama. The chart clearly shows you're incorrect.

Sanity -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:10:30 AM)
The goal post has been and is unemployment, I havent shifted from that. His failed stimulus was all about employment and the economy generally, the two are tied together intrinsically Another thing, no one is happyabout the current economy, there is a lot of talk about double dip, or that there was never a recovery, and the longest worst prolonged recession etc etc etc You and Obama can only blame Bush for so long But I would like to give you credit for being somewhat civil in these discussions MM, and for keeping things on topic Thank you for that. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Ah.....moving goal posts, I see. That article is also two years old, btw.

Musicmystery -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:15:28 AM)
Twist and spin like a top if you like. Your assertion has been disproved. Jobs didn't go up in smoke...they have rebound from the Bush low and climbed from there, continually, and have been in positive territory from that low ever since. Simple reality. The stimulus, if you now want to talk about that, is a different matter. In fact, I'd agree with parts of your criticism. While it has stimulated growth, not across the board, and it's debatable that that growth would have happened anyway. It is successful in that we pulled out of recession (by technical measures) almost immediately, and have stayed out. It is disappointing, though, in three ways: (1) it hasn't spread to the rest of the economy, (2) while it has eased the credit crunch, it hasn't resolved it, and (3) it's very expensive, even if arguably necessary (I'm middle of the road on that one). You're welcome about the civility. I appreciate your noticing and saying so. Thanks.

Sanity -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:24:45 AM)
I think the point is how slowly the climb up has been, especially in contrast to what we were promised / threatened about the stimulus Despite your spin its universally accepted that the recovery is very weak (many credible people even question its very existance) and your graphs make jobs growth look good with the numbers spacing, exaggerating the highs under Bush and making the weak growth look better than it is

Musicmystery -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:29:00 AM)
The pitch of the curve isn't the point--it's the direction, contrary to your assertion. The speed is a different matter, and yes, we'd all like to see better. But up is still up, and not down. You were simply wrong on this one. Myth busted.

Sanity -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:37:30 AM)
Okay, then - never mind the spin, pay attention to the direction... If you look at it, its trending down, so you lose on that point as well. Well, more precisely, we all lose.

Musicmystery -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:42:31 AM)
Nice try. Don't forget to slice up all the other variations as well. Jobs and the economy have simply grown during this economy. Period. The damage was done prior. That it's not rebounding as much as we would all like, true.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:49:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Despite your spin its universally accepted that the recovery is very weak (many credible people even question its very existance) It doesnt exist. Carve out borrowed government spending from inflation adjusted GDP and there is no net growth.

Sanity -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 8:52:18 AM)
The release of oil from the strategic oil reserves is further stimulus, exagerating the bogus numbers even more. That oil is going to have to be paid for at some point quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Despite your spin its universally accepted that the recovery is very weak (many credible people even question its very existance) It doesnt exist. Carve out borrowed government spending from inflation adjusted GDP and there is no net growth.

mnottertail -> RE: Independance Day Is For Conservatives (7/2/2011 9:01:24 AM)
so there has been no net growth in the bush years or the obama years, got it

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