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tazzygirl -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 4:09:54 PM)


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  It sure counts as a drug in my book .    It causes intoxication  ,  impaired function,  and is not alcohol .    Oh - and by the way - last time I checked ,  it's illegal .




Booze causes intoxication as well... Last time I checked dope was not illegal everywhere, and while I don't indulge in pot, I haven't got a problem with people who do, a lot less risky than drinking and if I got the choice of walking through a road full of drunks or a road full of stoners, it's really a no-brainer, what would anybody prefer? Aggression or people wanting to hug you and discuss some hair brained idea they had?


A road full of sober people.

Nor would I want to scene with someone who has recently enjoyed a doobie, snorted a line, or downed a few fingers of booze.





Oh well, then I hope you never have to live in a big city, where people do drink or smoke pot... Though if walking down a road is the same as a scene, I guess then I'm really odd, for me there is a major difference there...


I live in a big city where people do drugs and drink.

I would have hoped you would realize there is a difference between a road and a scene... but maybe not.




PeonForHer -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 4:11:21 PM)

Come come, Steven - how can you even be asking this question? The US government has always taken a very balanced view on matters that affect the health and well-being of American citizens. Why should you not trust its view of those who smoke cannabis, as well?

OK, I'll stop being sarky. [;)]

As far as I'm concerned, a woman who smokes a bit of weed now and then gets extra marks from me, not least for taking a healthily contemptuous view of the neurotic cube-heads in government. These are the people, to recall, who think it best for the well-being of their citizens to take them into wars across the planet, have a "liberal" and "open-minded" view of creationism, eat far too much to be good for them, do fuck all exercise, and allow cuckoo-clocks like Bachmann public air-time.

OK, I'll stop ranting, as well. [;)] Instead, to the crucial matter:

Last time I had sex when both my partner and I were stoned out of our boxes, it was long, slow, and deeply, deeply enjoyable. Every little sensation was something to be savoured, thought about, even philosophised about. We told each other stories, we kissed for what seemed like an hour . . . we were in a dream world.

I'd say: Go for her!




Termyn8or -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 4:12:50 PM)

UFR

"Doesn't d&d free imply weed-free? "

I would say no but that is one Man's opinion. Of course it is shared by many but that is not the point. Personally I would rather hang around with pot smokers, and that includes even if I don't or didn't. I mean pot smokers rather than non pot smokers, not as compared to those who use other substances for pleasure. That includes those who used to "speed" on legal black beauties as well as those who now use presciption drugs. My personal philosophy goes against substances that are deliberately refined, like cocaine, sugar, aspirin, meth, whiskey and heroin. I shun them, but believe that they should be fine for occasional use. Burn a fatty and slake down a couple of cold ones ? That's more like it. I got some vodka in the fridge, it will be there for months, and this "holiday" is not going to impel me to drink it. I could get some keef or hash right now, but I simply don't feel like it. I wouldn't mind smoking some good opium sometime this year, perhaps in the fall, but I would never want anything more concentrated than that. Sometimes fruit falls from the trees and in certain climates actually ferments. It didn't hurt the animal that ingested it, but the footage in the documentary I saw indicated that they were having a hell of a good time. Weed dosen't even have to ferment, you just pick it at the right time. And what of catnip and locoweed ?

"For me, weed does not qualify as a drug. It is like having a glass of wine or a beer. "

I agree of course if you noticed in the previous paragraph. However some do not agree. But there is a quantatative polarity here. Those who imbibe do not aspire to encourage others to imbibe nor do we try to force it upon them with legislation. Those who disagree do not have a similiar respect for the rights of others. Read on because there is more about that coming.

"It sure counts as a drug in my book .    It causes intoxication  ,  impaired function,  and is not alcohol .    Oh - and by the way - last time I checked ,  it's illegal . "

That's your book. If you don't want it don't do it. If you don't want it in your circle of people, choose them to your standards. I have no problem with that. And illegal ? Morphine is a very concentrated opiate or something and it is not illegal. Convince someone with priveledge (a doctor) that you need it, and then you can get it.

"Technically marijuana is classified as a drug same as alcohol. Just talk to anyone who is in AA or NA or the DEA. "

Their opinions or classifications mean nothing to me. Think of NA and AA as Overeaters Anonymous, and the DEA is about as straight up as the FDA and USDA, bought and paid for. It's all a money game.

"if I got the choice of walking through a road full of drunks or a road full of stoners, it's really a no-brainer, what would anybody prefer? "

I have to be straight about this - people who have self control. A friend of mine, while not drinking took a big hit off a joint of very good weed while driving. He Tboned a car causing ALOT of injury that resulted in millions worth of lawsuits. He was out of control just like someone who had drank a whole bottle of booze, even some of them do not black out so. As much as I hate to say it, he should have eaten a DUI charge for that, but he didn't because back then they simple weren't checking for it. And they never can because testing for pot cannot determine if one is currently under the influence, or was a few weeks ago. It's a matter of self control, some have it, others don't.

"I was speaking for my self. I consider my self to be drug and disease free, but I do drink a beer and have a bit of herbal therapy from time to time. "

That's what everyone should do.

"Nor would I want to scene with someone who has recently enjoyed a doobie, snorted a line, or downed a few fingers of booze. "

I would have to agree with that for most people. They might not be able to handle it, just like the friend I mentioned in the car wreck.

"Isn't  alcoholism a disease?  "

Not according to the Supreme court. They ruled that drinking is willful misconduct and I have not heard of that being reversed. However for some reason testing positive in a random drug test does not automatically get one fired. It can be countered for some reason because I know it has been done. And NO, these people do not have blogs and websites with case numbers, but I know it has been done. However the ruling does prevent addiction from being used as a valid defense in most cases. Twinkie defense notwithstanding.

"I guess technically, but when the best pot in town is the stuff the Mounties sell it's a little hard to take it seriously. "

Mounties ? Damn, another reason to move to Canada ! But it is the same here. If you know the cops, you know where to get good shit, but they usually don't sell small quantities. They don't smoke the profits either because they might get tested at any time.

T^T




tazzygirl -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 4:15:00 PM)


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Several European countries don't care anymore if you got small amounts for personal use, I think the US are heading this way.


Amsterdam seems on its way to curtail some of the pot trade.


Yes indeed, they are fed up with stoned TOURISTS, you have to be a resident now to indulge... Still doesn't make it illegal!


Did I say it was illegal? Hmmm.... dont see that in my post.

But, it is the first step. I have little use for the pot heads that I know. They are the laziest group of people.... but I do not speak for all pot heads, again, just those I know.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 4:25:08 PM)


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I live in a big city where people do drugs and drink.

I would have hoped you would realize there is a difference between a road and a scene... but maybe not.


I fully do, I thought I made that clear, you sounded a bit confused and want a road with sober people, I guess we don't need to be realistic on the internet, eh? And I also thought you started talking in the same post about the horrors of scening with anybody under the influence of anything, and apparently for you coke, booze and weed are all the same... I guess we all make our own reality, hope you're enjoying yours




Arpig -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 4:32:49 PM)

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Last time I had sex when both my partner and I were stoned out of our boxes, it was long, slow, and deeply, deeply enjoyable. Every little sensation was something to be savoured, thought about, even philosophised about. We told each other stories, we kissed for what seemed like an hour . . . we were in a dream world.
One of my girlfriends and I had our first sex while flying on acid. We spent hours at it and it was freaking amazing!!!

Most of the time I don't mix weed with gaming, makes it to hard to keep track of things, but my players often get high.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 4:33:29 PM)


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Several European countries don't care anymore if you got small amounts for personal use, I think the US are heading this way.


Amsterdam seems on its way to curtail some of the pot trade.


Yes indeed, they are fed up with stoned TOURISTS, you have to be a resident now to indulge... Still doesn't make it illegal!


Did I say it was illegal? Hmmm.... dont see that in my post.

But, it is the first step. I have little use for the pot heads that I know. They are the laziest group of people.... but I do not speak for all pot heads, again, just those I know.


Oh you just quote somebody who said it was but of course it won't reflect your opinion, you just quoted out of errr fun, pressing the wrong button and all that?

Look, couldn't care less about the potheads in your life, the ones I know do an occasional recreational smoke, hold down jobs (and make a success of them) in management, IT, the medical profession and so on, none of them spends their lives lazing around being stoned out of their brains, I might kick back on the weekend with a glass of wine as I am doing now (still on my first glass to damned nice to just gulp it), they smoke something - I guess we mix with completely different people...




tazzygirl -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:03:57 PM)

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Oh you just quote somebody who said it was but of course it won't reflect your opinion, you just quoted out of errr fun, pressing the wrong button and all that?


I quoted you. Did you say it was illegal?

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Look, couldn't care less about the potheads in your life, the ones I know do an occasional recreational smoke, hold down jobs (and make a success of them) in management, IT, the medical profession and so on, none of them spends their lives lazing around being stoned out of their brains, I might kick back on the weekend with a glass of wine as I am doing now (still on my first glass to damned nice to just gulp it), they smoke something - I guess we mix with completely different people...


Guess there isnt enough room for there to be both the lazy asses and he occassional users in your world. And thats fine. But before you start jumping on me, perhaps you need to realize that there ARE both types in this world.





DomImus -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:09:06 PM)

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Doesn't d&d free imply weed-free?


It does to me and it would have me wondering what other items she fudged the data on.




Syrox -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:22:15 PM)

To my mind, pot grows along the side of the road with litte or no aid from anything other than the sun and the forces of nature, beer, harder drugs etc need mans intervention. therefore Pot is not a drug.

and would rather somethig go into my system that god made the way it is, than for some man made narcotic.




tazzygirl -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:24:08 PM)


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  It sure counts as a drug in my book .    It causes intoxication  ,  impaired function,  and is not alcohol .    Oh - and by the way - last time I checked ,  it's illegal .




Booze causes intoxication as well... Last time I checked dope was not illegal everywhere, and while I don't indulge in pot, I haven't got a problem with people who do, a lot less risky than drinking and if I got the choice of walking through a road full of drunks or a road full of stoners, it's really a no-brainer, what would anybody prefer? Aggression or people wanting to hug you and discuss some hair brained idea they had?


A road full of sober people.

Nor would I want to scene with someone who has recently enjoyed a doobie, snorted a line, or downed a few fingers of booze.





Oh well, then I hope you never have to live in a big city, where people do drink or smoke pot... Though if walking down a road is the same as a scene, I guess then I'm really odd, for me there is a major difference there...


I live in a big city where people do drugs and drink.

I would have hoped you would realize there is a difference between a road and a scene... but maybe not.



As I said, I quoted you.



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I live in a big city where people do drugs and drink.

I would have hoped you would realize there is a difference between a road and a scene... but maybe not.


I fully do, I thought I made that clear, you sounded a bit confused and want a road with sober people, I guess we don't need to be realistic on the internet, eh? And I also thought you started talking in the same post about the horrors of scening with anybody under the influence of anything, and apparently for you coke, booze and weed are all the same... I guess we all make our own reality, hope you're enjoying yours


Im hardly confused, LC. You and I have not had a disagreement on these boards, yet. But its close to becoming one with your bitchiness.

For me, anyone under the influence is off limits for scening. I get high on natural endorphins, I prefer my sexual partners to do the same. THAT is my reality. Makes no difference to me what drug someone else is on. If I know they are on one, then they are off limits. I tend to view them as I would a patient. Someone under the influence cannot give consent.

Think about that the next time you wanna get snarky.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:27:00 PM)

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One of my girlfriends and I had our first sex while flying on acid. We spent hours at it and it was freaking amazing!!!

Most of the time I don't mix weed with gaming, makes it to hard to keep track of things, but my players often get high.


Yes indeed.  It's going to be fun explaining to my kids soon just how come I know so damn much about the topic.

On the OP

Nope I don't really think of pot as a drug in that way.  I really don't think of it any differently than alcohol. 

I don't do it anymore because I feel that it would be hypocritical to be smoking while telling the kids they should wait till they are older to make those kinds of choices.




tazzygirl -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:28:51 PM)

So does poppy.




sexyred1 -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:36:00 PM)

I see nothing wrong with pot. It should be legalized.

I far prefer people smoking weed than drinking.

And most people I know who smoke pot, left the whole stoner thing back in college and now work hard and to relax, still smoke a bit of the stuff.

And yes, it is amazing having sex after a tiny bit of pot. Ya know, so I hear.....:)




tazzygirl -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:42:56 PM)

I have no issue with weed being legal. I dont have sex with someone who is drunk nor on prescription narcotics. I have issues with not being able to give an informed consent, in the legal aspect. Never know what may go wrong. [;)]




Syrox -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:48:28 PM)

It is true, the whole stoner thing gets boring after a couple of years at it in college. I have a doobie from time to time, I don't drink though, so it is my substitute for a beer at the weekend (when i choose to partake)

I do however treat it the same way as i do alcohol. meaning I wont drive, operate heavy machinery or do anything that involves having my full awareness with me. It's only sensible and I would be devastated if I were to inadvertently harm someone as a result.





LaTigresse -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:49:14 PM)

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I see nothing wrong with pot. It should be legalized.

I far prefer people smoking weed than drinking.

And most people I know who smoke pot, left the whole stoner thing back in college and now work hard and to relax, still smoke a bit of the stuff.

And yes, it is amazing having sex after a tiny bit of pot. Ya know, so I hear.....:)


What the sexy red one said.

I manage to hold down a full time job, work on my own business, and take care of multiple living things that seem to be thriving quite well..............all with the occasional indulgence.

BTW, the guy that owns the company I work for 40 hours a week occasionally indulges also. As does my graphics guy. As does the owner and full time employee of the other company in the building. As does G.D. As do quite a few other people.

Legally pot is a drug, just as booze is. If someone needs pot to get through their day, every day........I don't want them in my life. Just like anyone that needs booze to function isn't going to be someone I would want to share my life with.

Also......there are SOME people that actually use those pipes to smoke regular nasty old tobacco too. Also not welcome to live in my home.[:'(]




sexyred1 -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 5:53:07 PM)

I agree. Doing it every day would be an issue.

Interestingly enough, my ex husband and my boyfriend never smoked pot, ever. Yet they did not mind at all when I did, in fact, they liked how it made me feel. I think they thought it made me act more submissive, but all it does it enhance your current mood.

I had one boyfriend years ago from the UK who was very successful and yet, had to smoke every day. He could not take one hit, he had to smoke the entire bag.

I could not handle being with him since I had control over when I did it, but he replaced alcoholism with pot addiction and would not stop.




NeedToUseYou -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 6:03:45 PM)


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Doesn't d&d free imply weed-free?



Yes, I'd assume that meant pot free.

Now, I could see someone saying D&D that smokes pot like once a year or something. Hell, I've not smoked pot in years, and I could possibly smoke a bit tomorrow if the conditions were right, but someone that smokes daily or every weekend is an addict, whether that be alcohol, crack, or pot, doesn't matter, that's not to say that a pot head is anywhere near as bad as an alcoholic, but still they are fucked up to some degree, IMO. Anyone on mind altering drugs as a course of day to day existence is an addict, IMO, unless it's for some medical condition, but then even many abuse them, and the condition becomes an excuse to be an addict.

So, Yeah, I agree with you, and it's not like I think it should be illegal, but the important part about no drug use, is that people that do drugs regularly have a mental problem or physical addiction, as that is the only reason to alter your consciousness habitually.

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LafayetteLady -> RE: Doesn't marijuana count? (7/1/2011 6:07:44 PM)


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It sure counts as a drug in my book .    It causes intoxication  ,  impaired function,  and is not alcohol .    Oh - and by the way - last time I checked ,  it's illegal .


That's your book. If you don't want it don't do it. If you don't want it in your circle of people, choose them to your standards. I have no problem with that. And illegal ? Morphine is a very concentrated opiate or something and it is not illegal. Convince someone with priveledge (a doctor) that you need it, and then you can get it.


Actually, how one comes by the morphine determines whether it is legal or not. Along with if it is being used as prescribed. Just sayin'.

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Technically marijuana is classified as a drug same as alcohol. Just talk to anyone who is in AA or NA or the DEA.


Their opinions or classifications mean nothing to me. Think of NA and AA as Overeaters Anonymous, and the DEA is about as straight up as the FDA and USDA, bought and paid for. It's all a money game.


Forget all those groups. The law considers it an illegal drug.

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I have to be straight about this - people who have self control. A friend of mine, while not drinking took a big hit off a joint of very good weed while driving. He Tboned a car causing ALOT of injury that resulted in millions worth of lawsuits. He was out of control just like someone who had drank a whole bottle of booze, even some of them do not black out so. As much as I hate to say it, he should have eaten a DUI charge for that, but he didn't because back then they simple weren't checking for it. And they never can because testing for pot cannot determine if one is currently under the influence, or was a few weeks ago. It's a matter of self control, some have it, others don't.


That's the rub, ain't it? I think it is also what holds the US from legalizing in most places. As with your friend, driving stoned can be just as dangerous as driving drunk. Alcohol is out of your system in 24 hours, tests can show how drunk you are in that moment. With marijuana, a regular user is going to test positive whether he is currently stoned or not. As for those who will talk about hair follicle testing, it isn't as accurate as it seems, and it is prohibitively expensive (although if pot were legal, the revenue to the government could pay it, lol).

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Isn't  alcoholism a disease? 


Not according to the Supreme court. They ruled that drinking is willful misconduct and I have not heard of that being reversed. However for some reason testing positive in a random drug test does not automatically get one fired. It can be countered for some reason because I know it has been done. And NO, these people do not have blogs and websites with case numbers, but I know it has been done. However the ruling does prevent addiction from being used as a valid defense in most cases. Twinkie defense notwithstanding.


Last I checked, alcoholism or addiction were hotly debated between disease and disorder in the medical community. Personally, I'm in the "disorder" camp just because it is something that someone had control over at some point.

With employer drug testing, it is the legality of the substance that comes into play. Somone out drinking until 2 in the morning and then testing positive at 11am, unless you determine *how* much alcohol is in there system, imbibed in a legal substance on their own time. With marijuana (and other illicit drugs), the employer's position is that the employee is engaging in illegal behavior. Since I live in NJ, where medicinal marijuana laws have passed, but they will probably find ways to delay enacting the law until everyone else has dones something, I have no idea how employers would handle medicinal use. I assume you would have to show a copy of your script like any other drug.

Many companies will not fire someone for addiction but will cover rehab costs.




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