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angelikaJ -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/3/2011 2:36:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Syrox quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP As long as she has zero contact with the outside world, I suppose it's doable. But most offices I know wouldn't find this fits their dress code. Certainly if you have contact with clients at above the lowest retail level it will be a problem. You could sell in Hot Topics but not in Bergdorf Goodman. Your purpose in this had better be to break off her ties to family because they will be strained. If that isn't what you wanted, then how do you want her to answer when her mother insists that because you did this to her, you're abusive. If she has children of her own, this will embarrass them. You really want that her kids are so ashamed they drop any activities so she won't attend? Better think it all the way out. Maybe it's hot in fantasy, but it doesn't work so well in the real world. Des, yes this has been thought out entirely, her intent is to break family ties, the entire link to her past and to begin again. There is no work for a dress code to be adhered to as it also involves relocation and there are no children involved. It has also been discussed to within an inch of it's life so as that we are both certain that this is a good step to take. Th entire purpose of this thread was to find others who have had this done, and how it afects mentally and so on. so that i can prepare for a good chunk of the possible eventualities as best i can. I have no idea how long you have known her but I knew someone in similar shoes as the one you are discussing and her new-ish dom did convince her to shave her head and tried to distance her from her family (which is generally a red flag in relationships) and it was her eagerness to please him that allowed for this and not a relationship of trust. I think the relationship ended within 8 weeks or so or her shaving her head. Initially she said she felt freedom, but then came to acknowledge feeling resentful, more at herself than at him. She did buy wigs for work which were horrendously hot. As to Des- I don't think shaving one's head should mean having to cut family ties; that seems awfully superficial to me. edit: for clarity

NuevaVida -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/3/2011 4:02:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Syrox As a part of your ownership/collaring, were you required to have your hair removed? shaved bald? Call it a stripping of the former person to allow the rebuilding of a new one if you will. If he wanted a new person, he should have gotten a new person. I did enough "stripping of my former self" before I met him. No need to do it again and had he tried, he most certainly would have had to find a "new person" since I wouldn't have hung out for that. As for shaving my head - it wouldn't serve us any necessary purpose. He likes my hair and requires it to be a certain (grabbable) length. I've gone through other physical and humbling experiences in life which have given me some wonderful life lessons, though, prior to this relationship. That said, he'd like to change my hair color to blonde at some point. But he understands the emotional attachment to hair, and that this project is going to be a work in progress. That, and my hair stylist won't do it. [8D]

CreepyStalker -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/3/2011 6:18:00 PM)
Yus! I had my head shaved a couple of weeks ago. It's talked about here (in another context), my comments are on the last page: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3722350/mpage_3/tm.htm It wasn't an ownership/collaring/required thing, it was just really fecking hot and awesome and fun :-D Although I wouldn't think of it as stripping off the former person even if it had been, unless your person is made entirely of hair. It was kind of fucking with a bit of my identity though. A lot of the time, people used to judge me as being awesome just because my hair was awesome, without stopping to verify my actual awesomeness first. Which is lovely and cool and useful, but ultimately bullshit; I am not my hair. I am all manner of other awesomenesses, which now have space to become my defining features instead. Completely destroying something awesome is a wonderful feeling. Emotion wise at the time was a bit all over the place though. Humans don't tend to like change and so usually respond with anxiety. I really fucking love change on the whole, but I was still a bit of a traumatised wreck while people were ripping my hair out. I assume people who really really don't like change would react worse. Consequence-wise, people are talking nonsense. It works absolutely fine in the real world as long as you have zero contact with judgemental dickheads. I've yet to have a negative reaction from anyone. :-)

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/3/2011 6:20:17 PM)
I would dearly love to shave my head, mad envy for those of you that do!

hlen5 -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/3/2011 7:53:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis A woman I know in the local community here has shaved her head. This is what she wrote about why she did it. I think that what DesFIP has written is a pretty broad generalization about people's attitudes regarding a woman who is bald. What about women who lose their hair due to chemo & choose not to cover that effect? I think that this woman I know is gorgeous without hair!! The last time I saw her, she had some glitter on her bald pate. I've actually been thinking about doing that myownself, just to see how it feels. My hair has been my "crowning glory" my whole life. Who would I be without the hair? How would people react to me? It would definitely be interesting. I've had my hair as short as less than an inch all over, but never gone completely bald. A thread a while back asked people what their favorite physical feature was. My first answer was/is my hair. That's said, I've had a wish to shave my head for a long time. I don't think I'd ever have the courage to do it. I thought if people were to ask me why I would tell them I'd lost a bet. I don't think I would keep it shaved but would like to do it for the novelty and to get back to my natural hair color (which is probably SALT and pepper) without the outgrowth hassles....

LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/3/2011 10:09:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Syrox quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu You know, while it's still bald or just a little grown in, most people are probably going to think she has cancer. You might end up with mistakenly sympathetic neighbors/friends/etc trying to bring fruit baskets and or asking awkward questions and trying to be supportive. Which could be weird and awkward for her. But most beneficial in getting her 5 portions a day! (Sorry, that one was irresistable) Thus far people have come up with practical pitfalls such as the one listed above, what i cane here seeking was the emotional impact on someone who is intent on this happening suddenly realizing that their crowning glory is gone. Which was why iasked for those who have had it done to comment and share their experiences. Instead I seem to have spawned a "I like my hair" thread. Did you read the link I posted? I should think that would give you some insight into the emotional aspect. While I'm sitting here reading this thread I'm nearly tempted to just go shave my head. Probably a good thing I don't have the implements or I'd be doing it. I don't think I'm in the right emotional state to be doing that tonight. Or maybe this is just the thing that I need to push through the shit right now.

Syrox -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/3/2011 10:21:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis quote: ORIGINAL: Syrox quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu You know, while it's still bald or just a little grown in, most people are probably going to think she has cancer. You might end up with mistakenly sympathetic neighbors/friends/etc trying to bring fruit baskets and or asking awkward questions and trying to be supportive. Which could be weird and awkward for her. But most beneficial in getting her 5 portions a day! (Sorry, that one was irresistable) Thus far people have come up with practical pitfalls such as the one listed above, what i cane here seeking was the emotional impact on someone who is intent on this happening suddenly realizing that their crowning glory is gone. Which was why iasked for those who have had it done to comment and share their experiences. Instead I seem to have spawned a "I like my hair" thread. Did you read the link I posted? I should think that would give you some insight into the emotional aspect. While I'm sitting here reading this thread I'm nearly tempted to just go shave my head. Probably a good thing I don't have the implements or I'd be doing it. I don't think I'm in the right emotional state to be doing that tonight. Or maybe this is just the thing that I need to push through the shit right now. Yeah I did read it, and while it isnt exactly the same situation as the one I am heading towards, the insight from it is valuable, especially the things she added further down in the comment section. shed quite a bit of light. And why do I get the feeling that me and my post are going to end up in subbies and slaves all over the world suddenly going bald? lol. Seriously though I really do appriciate the input of all of you who have shaved their hair for your input into this.. it gives me a good few things to make mental preparations for

tsuta -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/4/2011 12:53:22 AM)
wow, im really surprised at some of the responses... there are workplaces that could fire someone for shaving their head? Anyway. I've shaved my head before. It was for a charity cause, for kids with cancer. And my feelings after that were that i was proud of myself and i enjoyed for a while the androgenous look lol.. but i guess that doesnt have anything to do with the question xD But i like the idea of doing it as part of a collaring... altho most guys i know/play with have an obsession with long hair. I miss my long hair myself but.. darn, i wish more guys would appreciate my short hair style lol. But it's true that i probably wouldnt shave my head again, unless i had a Master and He requested it.

DesFIP -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/4/2011 7:14:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ As to Des- I don't think shaving one's head should mean having to cut family ties; that seems awfully superficial to me. It shouldn't have to but I doubt most parents are going to think he's such a great guy when she comes in bald and tells them he did it to her. Or is he going to order her to lie to her parents instead? For the op, who has said she is permitted no friends or family, no job and no access to the outside world, it won't have any problems of that sort. Except for the fact that that's a red flag of its own. But the emotional response varies by the individual. She could love it or decide she hates him. And since the possible responses vary so much, she would do better to delve into her own feelings about it.

littlewonder -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/4/2011 4:40:23 PM)
why would one have to tell their family he made her do it? if/when this happens to me i would just tell them i felt like it. no other explanation needed. i would just be wearing a lot of scarves and hats for awhile and limiting my sociability till it grew back.

kalikshama -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/4/2011 5:07:12 PM)
quote: As a part of your ownership/collaring, were you required to have your hair removed? shaved bald? [sm=hardlimit.gif] quote: Call it a stripping of the former person to allow the rebuilding of a new one if you will. Bah. Females in the military do not get shaved. (USAF 87-91) quote: yes this has been thought out entirely, her intent is to break family ties, the entire link to her past and to begin again. Unless her entire family is comprised of sociopaths, I would worry about the mental stability of someone who wanted to do this.

LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/4/2011 6:19:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ As to Des- I don't think shaving one's head should mean having to cut family ties; that seems awfully superficial to me. It shouldn't have to but I doubt most parents are going to think he's such a great guy when she comes in bald and tells them he did it to her. Or is he going to order her to lie to her parents instead? For the op, who has said she is permitted no friends or family, no job and no access to the outside world, it won't have any problems of that sort. Except for the fact that that's a red flag of its own. But the emotional response varies by the individual. She could love it or decide she hates him. And since the possible responses vary so much, she would do better to delve into her own feelings about it. I guess I'm just not in that "most parents" group. I love my daughter & if she told me that something that she was doing, someone she is with was making her happy, I'd do my best to find the good in that something or someone. I'm not all that fond of her fiance, but she's been with him for 7+ years & he's very good to her, so why would it matter what my feelings were about him??? If she told me that he told her to shave her head & that she had done it & that she was having whatever reaction she was having about it, I'd still be there for her & support her. My sense is that this submissive is over 18 & so it's time for her parents to give up thinking that they are in control any more. Because they aren't. Once the offspring are grown, a parent's job is to love them & to be there for advice & support when it's asked for. I've always said that the hardest thing about being a parent is knowing when to stop. And if I did shave my head, it would be for me to see who I am without the hair, not because I'm a submissive or slave, OP. I like the idea of it very much.

hlen5 -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/4/2011 10:18:38 PM)
(Psssst, Linnaea, I have a trimmer.......)

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/5/2011 6:04:31 PM)
head-shaving, or the prospect of it, was something my anxieties/fears would not let me get into. maybe with time we could've overcome that, but there wasn't any time, and it's not really worth thinking about now, unless i'm in a future relationship where something like that is desired. it was probably the one real limit i had that conflicted with him.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/6/2011 11:16:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Syrox Des, yes this has been thought out entirely, her intent is to break family ties, the entire link to her past and to begin again. There is no work for a dress code to be adhered to as it also involves relocation and there are no children involved. It has also been discussed to within an inch of it's life so as that we are both certain that this is a good step to take. Th entire purpose of this thread was to find others who have had this done, and how it afects mentally and so on. so that i can prepare for a good chunk of the possible eventualities as best i can. In my opinion, I would question someone who wanted to break all family ties and links to her past. We always talk about red flags with dominants, but to me this is a serious red flag in an s-type.

SashaSteel -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/6/2011 4:13:19 PM)
Ummm I don't know about other people here ... But I have to go to work. (In... ready for this ---- a public work place.) If I showed up one day with my head shaved, I'm sure my co-workers would really have a hard time understanding what it was that I was doing and YES I would be judged pretty harshly in probably a very negative light on me altering my apperance that way. I don't understand this actually. Don't most people have family, friends and co-workers that would wonder what the fuck was up with you if one day you just showed up bald as a ping pong ball? Or is everyone so emerged in thier slavishness and submission that the real world does'nt exist anymore? I mean even if you don't work ... are you independently wealthy enough to risk your security on someone that may end up dumping you for whatever reason? So many questions .. and I don't get much of it ...

imperatrixx -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/6/2011 6:05:11 PM)
-FR- Well there is no way I'll ever shave my head. I just want to say one thing - make sure she will look attractive. There are a lot of women who have really rocked the shaved head look - Demi Moore in GI Jane, Robin Tunney in Empire Records, Natalie Portman in V for Vendetta...they looked really fucking hot. But...if your girl doesn't have the sort of features that would look good with a shaved head (big eyes, defined chin) well, she might look absolutely horrible. And I will just say this...for 99.9% of women there is absolutely no liberation in being ugly. We all have different standards of beauty but if the shaved head makes the woman look in the mirror and think she looks like a hideous beast, it won't have the same effect as if she can look in the mirror and admire her scalp's nudity. I would say emotionally, that's the main thing for you to consider. Will the shaved head make her feel exposed and beautiful, or will it make her feel gross? About the social repercussions...you can just get a wig. There are some really great lace front wigs that look like real hair that a lot of women swear by. So if she's worried about losing her job, she can get the wig, and if anyone asks she can say she got something sticky in her hair near the roots or something.

0ldhen -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/7/2011 4:20:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Syrox [Des, yes this has been thought out entirely, her intent is to break family ties, the entire link to her past and to begin again. Hmmm......unless her family/friends are a bunch of axe murderers this is a huge RED FLAG!

vixenkneels -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/7/2011 5:20:32 AM)
Master shaved my head on January 15, 2010 and though I was allowed to grow my hair out to 1/4 inch at times I now remain shaved and will remain shaved. I work as an accountant in small family owned business at a large resort area and am exposed to the public every day and am very open with my long time employers about who and what I am. I never go to the office without a wig or a head scarf, but I also do not hide my baldness. I never knowingly allow anyone to think or believe I am undergoing chemo and I am not ashamed to display my baldness to anyone, I simply refrain from offending my employer and the company's customers. Master didn't shave me to humiliate me, or to punish me...shaving my head was another step in our ten year relationship deepening the bonds and the commitment we have always shared. The first time He shaved me I went so deep in my subspace I couldn't remember my name. I was so humbled by the experience and so immersed in the tremendous feelings of submissiviness I cried but not out of distaste for the act. I went through many emotions...shock that a woman my age would even do such a thing willingly, pride that I was able to know my hair is not who I am, and proud my Master loves me enough to ask that degree of submission from me knowing I would honor both of us by shaving. Sometimes by removing all of the trappings of those things we think make us who we are allows us to get to know our inner selves. I have never regretted the shaving of my head and never will. It's not a symbol of weakness...it's a symbol of my strength, my commitment, my love for my Master, and for myself. I know someone will counter this post by asking WHY my primary profile photo doesn't reflect total baldness and I can only answer that I'm lazy and simply haven't rearranged the photos in my profile but am sure after this post a new photo will be put in place.

Reform -> RE: Shaving of the head/hair, (7/7/2011 7:42:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SashaSteel Ummm I don't know about other people here ... But I have to go to work. (In... ready for this ---- a public work place.) If I showed up one day with my head shaved, I'm sure my co-workers would really have a hard time understanding what it was that I was doing and YES I would be judged pretty harshly in probably a very negative light on me altering my apperance that way. I don't understand this actually. Don't most people have family, friends and co-workers that would wonder what the fuck was up with you if one day you just showed up bald as a ping pong ball? Or is everyone so emerged in thier slavishness and submission that the real world does'nt exist anymore? I mean even if you don't work ... are you independently wealthy enough to risk your security on someone that may end up dumping you for whatever reason? So many questions .. and I don't get much of it ... I don't know about you, but my friends, family, and co-workers aren't judgmental fucks. When I showed up to work bald the first time, they were surprised, asked why I did it, and that was that.

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