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RE: question of punishment - 7/10/2011 10:09:15 PM   
DecadentDesire


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

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behavior is shaped solely through positive reinforcement (application of pleasure) or negative reinforcement (removal of pain)


This is what I found off base.  To think that behavior is shaped only via receptive actions is leaving out a huge portion of the equation - biology, emotion, thoughts.
Sorry I wasn't clearer before. 



Ahh...okay. Well, in that case, I tend to agree. Personally, I found all that stuff on behavioral psychology to be an interesting read and great for understanding some basic concepts, but as far as dealing with an actual human being, the majority of it is useless to me.


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RE: question of punishment - 7/10/2011 10:11:36 PM   
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RE: question of punishment - 7/10/2011 11:19:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: winspiritsbaby

This might be a better look at operant conditioning than wikipedia for anyone who might want to understand it better...
http://www.edpsycinteractive.org/topics/behsys/operant.html



Ah...got it. Thank you.

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RE: question of punishment - 7/11/2011 7:43:11 AM   
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RE: question of punishment - 7/11/2011 1:31:25 PM   
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If all you want is to modify Your subs' behavior to Your liking, it would be much faster to give them something pleasurable when they do something right, or to a lesser extent reduce their discomfort by unshackling them or something, than to use punishment.




In horse training you remove the unpleasant sensation the moment they do it right. For example, if I want a horse to turn his body to the right, I press into his left side with my knee applying pressure. The moment he begins to turn, I release the pressure. If he starts moving back to the left, I reapply the pressure with my knee. If he continues going to the right, he receives no more pressure.

At the end of the lesson, when I think he's getting it, I then pat his neck, tell him "good boy" and give him a peppermint. Negative and positive reinforcement with no punishment. Punishment would be beating him with a crop and having him be afraid of me in the future.


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RE: question of punishment - 7/13/2011 8:39:06 AM   
MasterGreg43


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RE: question of punishment - 7/13/2011 8:42:33 AM   
MasterGreg43


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sometime punishment is a test of your reaction

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RE: question of punishment - 7/13/2011 8:46:07 AM   
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RE: question of punishment - 7/13/2011 1:31:07 PM   
DecadentDesire


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RE: question of punishment - 7/13/2011 8:00:32 PM   
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RE: question of punishment - 7/14/2011 1:33:09 PM   
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should i be mad if i have been awesome the whole day and i get punished for a small things that i didnt do that goes against my morals ? im new to the lifestyle so im seeking advice or opinions on my question please and thank You.


Depends.The question is a bit odd.

You do what you ought given the control you agree to?

If I'm super-duper all day and later on go against the things we expect and abide by.....then yeah, I'd expect that to be frowned on.

The way you've phrased this you've really only asked if you should be mad. Well, if you were, you were. Who here can know what the hell you two have agreed to.

I get cross even if I have to some things I fully agree to. They don't always feel as *good* as they do on *paper*.

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RE: question of punishment - 7/14/2011 8:55:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes! always do things that your Owner tells you to do, especially if they are against your values and morals. When he tells you to rape, kill and plunder - hopefully by that time you will numb and dumb by ignoring your morals and placing them aside. Then by that time, something like that will be just like childs play. You are headed down the right path. Keep it up!

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RE: question of punishment - 7/14/2011 8:58:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterGreg43

well our lifestyle is interesting as well, much as I enjoy every part of it, their are people that will turn it into something behavioral or indeed psychology, but war in other country is a better understand



MasterGreg ... you are an oracle of knowledge. Do you teach at Sydney University by any hap?

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RE: question of punishment - 7/15/2011 10:11:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SashaSteel

Yes! always do things that your Owner tells you to do, especially if they are against your values and morals. When he tells you to rape, kill and plunder - hopefully by that time you will numb and dumb by ignoring your morals and placing them aside. Then by that time, something like that will be just like childs play. You are headed down the right path. Keep it up!


Was that in reply to me or the OP?

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RE: question of punishment - 7/21/2011 11:43:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mastersbunny93

should i be mad if i have been awesome the whole day and i get punished for a small things that i didnt do that goes against my morals ? im new to the lifestyle so im seeking advice or opinions on my question please and thank You.


There is a lot going on in just about any person and a lot of it has to do with your social identity and your instincts. When it comes to doing things that go against your morals, which is a very big part of your social identity you really have to ask yourself what's more important your social identity(the person you've been conditioned to be up until now) or surrendering/sacrificing yourself to the desires of your Master? At the end of the day there is no right or wrong, only you can decide for yourself what will ultimately make you happy.

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RE: question of punishment - 7/22/2011 7:27:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mastersbunny93

should i be mad if i have been awesome the whole day and i get punished for a small things that i didnt do that goes against my morals ? im new to the lifestyle so im seeking advice or opinions on my question please and thank You.


I would have to say that you should never go against your moral code. However, if that differs from your Master's, you do have a problem. Maybe you need to discuss this issue, and see if it can be resolved. Does this concern an area which is a hard limit for you? Is your relationship one in which you are allowed hard limits?! Is what he is asking you to do legal??
I note we're responding to you as if you're a slave, since you speak of the guy as your Master. However, I see your profile describes you as a sub, and you're only 18. There is a difference, and you may want to check that out. A sub don't actually have a Master to obey 24/7; they have a dom whom they obey when playing, and they agree the rules between them. So if a sub says 'no', it means 'no'. If you serve and seek to obey 24/7, really you're talking slave; but even a slave should have some agreement - imo - as to what is and is not permissable. (Now that's opened another can of worms!)
Good luck to you anyway; keep posting and keep learning.

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RE: question of punishment - 7/28/2011 8:43:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mastersbunny93

should i be mad if i have been awesome the whole day and i get punished for a small things that i didnt do that goes against my morals ? im new to the lifestyle so im seeking advice or opinions on my question please and thank You.

Absolutely not. The key is to build, not tear down. What should have been done (weighing the good and bad) is a verbal request. Moral however (without details) changes all the rules. Your morals are a guide, why damage that?
Regards

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RE: question of punishment - 7/28/2011 9:48:53 PM   
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take any thing you don't wont to

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RE: question of punishment - 8/5/2011 8:07:51 AM   
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I think you should speak with your Dom about this not random strangers on the internet, there are no BDSM rulebook that everyone play by, what you should or should not do depend on how your relationship work and the people in such a relationship is the only judges that can say something about it. If you think your Dom ig being unfair speak with him about it, not us, for our opinion really do not count.

I wish you well


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