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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 8:49:46 AM   
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I actually do not believe either party wants to be solely responsible for any budget/deficit bill put through. This is because there needs to be some hard times ahead to actually do what needs to be done, and no one wants to accept that it might end their political career to do it. This is the only reason I can see any of them walking away from discussions to correct the problems.



Well,your party is in charge of the purse strings,ie.in charge of the budget and spitting rants and complaining as if they were the opposition party,while they are the party in charge, doesn`t work.

It`s put up or shut up time.

The republicans have no interest is compromise at all.It`s their way or the high way.Their only focus is not letting the bush tax cuts die.They`ve been boxed in and can`t consider any deal to be a victory unless they get everything they want.

If you`ve been in business,bought or sold a lot of cars or boats etc.,you`ll know that you can`t always get everything you want.A buyer will not always get the lowest price and a seller will not always get top dollar.There`s a number in the middle and if you to do business, one will have to negotiate and come to a number in the middle.You can`t just demand the prices you want all the time.No one`s going to do business with someone like that.

Grover....errr,um,sorry,your leadership,.........has boiled it down to just that one thing for your party and now ya`ll are stuck with it.

Most people don`t want those loophole/tax give-aways and don`t consider losing them to be a "tax increase".

The extreme parts of your party, do and are calling letting the bush-breaks end,a tax increase .


Now, ya`ll are being married to that mantra with Grover holding the shotgun at the wedding.


No more yelping from the side lines,complaining and belly-aching without providing a reasonable alternative, without consiquence.

The party out-of-power can criticize 24/7/365 and not be held responsible for what happens.The party in power,can`t.Not without looking like asses.



The meeting between the Speaker(s) and the President is today.


Today will be a water shed day with no more weasel-words or putting it off till later.


In the next few days,we`ll be know if a deal is in the works by whether we`re getting a joint news conference or dueling news conferences.

The reason I don`t have much hope is your,"both parties are f`d up" comment.That can only mean you`re admitting your own party is fucking up on this.


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ABM`s lament, sounds kinda defeated and "we`ll get you next time"ish.

Which points to dueling news conferences with some of our loans starting to default next month.

But ABM is correct about the real pol in 15 months.

That day,is what cons are most worried about.No,make that frightened and sick over.

They couldn`t give a fuck about our nation`s financial health.

It`s thier seats they lavish the most energy,money and concern over.




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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 10:23:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

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I actually do not believe either party wants to be solely responsible for any budget/deficit bill put through. This is because there needs to be some hard times ahead to actually do what needs to be done, and no one wants to accept that it might end their political career to do it. This is the only reason I can see any of them walking away from discussions to correct the problems.



Well,your party is in charge of the purse strings,ie.in charge of the budget and spitting rants and complaining as if they were the opposition party,while they are the party in charge, doesn`t work.


My party? Sorry but I do not have a party, and in local elections it appears I have voted for more Democrats than Republicans.

quote:


It`s put up or shut up time.


It has been that for a long time. I have voted against incumbents when I can, as an example that I do not support business as usual politics. How have you been doing? Just cheerleading for one side?

quote:


The republicans have no interest is compromise at all.It`s their way or the high way.Their only focus is not letting the bush tax cuts die.They`ve been boxed in and can`t consider any deal to be a victory unless they get everything they want.


What the Republicans are asking for will make many things worse. I am not sure what is better, not compromising, or given into bad compromises so that when things do get worse you can point the finger in the other direction.

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If you`ve been in business,bought or sold a lot of cars or boats etc.,you`ll know that you can`t always get everything you want.A buyer will not always get the lowest price and a seller will not always get top dollar.There`s a number in the middle and if you to do business, one will have to negotiate and come to a number in the middle.You can`t just demand the prices you want all the time.No one`s going to do business with someone like that.


This has nothing to do with business, except that expenses far exceed revenue, so more revenue must be brought in while cutting fat.

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Grover....errr,um,sorry,your leadership,.........has boiled it down to just that one thing for your party and now ya`ll are stuck with it.

Most people don`t want those loophole/tax give-aways and don`t consider losing them to be a "tax increase".

The extreme parts of your party, do and are calling letting the bush-breaks end,a tax increase .


My leadership? You know it is funny that you claim I am a republican, and some of the most extreme Republicans on her claim I am a Democrat. During all of my posting history you will see that I speak to issue, and pretty call both parties corporatist.


O59, can you read the words I am typing this time? I have typed them to you before, but you continue to put me in the Republican camp. If anything, put me in the American camp, as I do not support any single party. It would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 11:09:02 AM   
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You know it is funny that you claim I am a republican, and some of the most extreme Republicans on her claim I am a Democrat.


I claim that you're one of those radical fringe moderates that's ruining our country.


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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 11:14:54 AM   
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Yup...the turned it down alright.  Because it meant a significant tax increase.  And here is an article that discusses it:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama hasn't given up on getting congressional leaders to accept a $4 trillion debt reduction deal that Republicans have rejected for its tax increases and Democrats dislike for its cuts to programs for seniors and the poor, administration officials said hours before talks resumed Sunday."He's not someone to walk away from a tough fight," presidential chief of staff William Daley said. "Everyone agrees that a number around $4 trillion is the number that will ... make a serious dent in our deficit."But House and Senate Republican leaders now say the largest of three proposals under consideration would not pass the GOP-led House because of its tax increases, an abrupt shift in negotiation over the terms of raising the nation's debt ceiling before an Aug. 2 deadline.House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, announced late Saturday that he was rejecting that proposal. Heading into the talks at 6 p.m. EDT, the top Senate Republican, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, suggested the deal was dead."I think it is," McConnell said. Raising taxes amid 9.2 percent unemployment, he added, "is a terrible idea. It's a job killer."The back-and-forth on the Sunday morning talk shows came hours before Obama and eight lawmakers of both parties were to convene at the White House over a plan to raise the nation's borrowing capacity from $14.3 trillion before next month's deadline, when administration officials say the nation would default on its debts.Republicans have demanded that any plan to raise the borrowing limit be coupled with massive spending cuts to lighten the burden of government on the struggling economy. Higher taxes, Republicans have said from the start, are deal-killers if not offset elsewhere.But Obama has a long way to go to satisfy lawmakers in his own party, too. Many Democrats are unnerved by the president's $4 trillion proposal because of its changes to Medicare and Medicaid.Political pain is part of the deal, too, and should be worth bearing, Daley said, adding that Obama was calling on lawmakers to "step up and be leaders."He cast Obama as uninterested, for now, in two more modest proposals to raise the debt limit for a shorter time, in exchange for smaller spending cuts. But Daley and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner used rhetoric that appeared to acknowledge the prospects for the $4 trillion deal could be in doubt."We're going to try to get the biggest deal possible," Geithner said.He cautioned that a package about half the size of the one Obama prefers would be equally tough to negotiate because it, too, could require hundreds of billions in new tax revenue.Expectations for Sunday's meeting took an abrupt turn after Boehner informed Obama that a package of about $2 trillion identified but not agreed to by bipartisan negotiators was more realistic.In a statement, Boehner said: "Despite good-faith efforts to find common ground, the White House will not pursue a bigger debt reduction agreement without tax hikes."A bipartisan group of lawmakers led by Vice President Joe Biden had already identified, but not signed off on, about $2 trillion in deficit reductions, most accomplished through spending cuts."I believe the best approach may be to focus on producing a smaller measure, based on the cuts identified in the Biden-led negotiations, that still meets our call for spending reforms and cuts greater than the amount of any debt limit increase," Boehner said.After holding a secret meeting with Boehner last weekend, Obama and aides said they believed an even bigger figure was attainable if both parties made politically painful, but potentially historic, choices.A Republican official familiar with the discussions said taxes and the major health and retirement entitlement programs continued to be sticking points.Obama wanted Republicans to accept closing some corporate tax loopholes and subsidies to corporations, ending a tax friendly inventory accounting system for businesses, as well as reducing the value of tax deductions for wealthy taxpayers.A senior administration official said the discussion on taxes broke down over the administration's desire to have the wealthy pick up a bigger share of the tax revenue load than Republicans were willing to accept.The official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the negotiations, said the $2 trillion to $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction identified by the Biden-led negotiations remains under negotiation and will also require some new tax revenue of up to $400 billion.


The liberal scumbags on this board will say "yeah...the wealthy...they should have to pay.  It isn't fair unless we take more from them.  It is there fault."

No...not at all.  The wealthy didn't fuck up this country.  Liberals did.  The wealthy paid their taxes, started businesses, hired people, expanded, lived lifestyles that required "staff" (the maid, the gardener, the pool boy, the handyman, the electrician, the custom cabinet maker, and soooooo many more).  He bought consumer items that hundreds if not thousands of Americans played a role in before he actually took possession of it.

The wealthy are not your slaves. 

No man in a chesterfield topcoat prevented you (not you personally, Steven, "you" being the collective liberal malignant mass) from getting out of bed in the morning.  He didn't prevent you from studying for that exam or going to class or graduating with honors.  He didn't make you knock up that girl that you have been paying child support for and it kept you from going back to college.  He didn't make you try heroine for the first time or any other drug.  He did not stymie your imagination or blunt your ambition.  If you are dissatisfied with your lot in life, well, lololololololol chances are it is because of something you willingly did or failed to do.  But own it....it's yours. :)

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 12:09:18 PM   
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Sorry locked. But if you want the cuts to be on the backs of the poor and middle class, the rich have to give their share too.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 2:46:20 PM   
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Sorry locked. But if you want the cuts to be on the backs of the poor and middle class, the rich have to give their share too.


Then Blowboy better change his tune and get real with his definition of "rich", because nothing that taxes individuals/businesses making 250k-1MM is going to pass.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 2:52:47 PM   
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LOL, talk about some real fucking idiocy.  The pubs aint got and will never have a chance in hell of running this country.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 2:55:37 PM   
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Bonehead is actually listening to us conservatives for a change, good for him.
Yeah,listening to rocket scientists such as yourself seems like a great idea

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 3:24:25 PM   
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Sorry locked. But if you want the cuts to be on the backs of the poor and middle class, the rich have to give their share too.


Then Blowboy better change his tune and get real with his definition of "rich", because nothing that taxes individuals/businesses making 250k-1MM is going to pass.


And the way the Republicans keep bragging about how they wont do anything unless tax cuts are included for the rich and corporations are really helping their cause... the Democrats cause, that is.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 3:43:41 PM   
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But isn't that the truly amazing part Tazz,these asshole will allow everything to go to shit in furtherance of a)insuring Obama is a one term President....and b)serving their actual base corporations and the mega rich.
All the while a large segment of lower class and middle class eat their bullshit up with a spoon and swear fealty to this party.
What the fuck is with that....could there really be that many idiots who swear they are joining the ranks of the super rich next week ?

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 3:44:26 PM   
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Locked, the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy were supposed to create jobs, a concept known as "trickle down economics."

Reagan did the same thing.

Guess what, both times they achieved absolutely fucking nothing. The rich took their tax cuts and did not, repeat DID NOT, invest it OR create jobs.

Trickle down economics does not work now, and it never has.


ONLY A FUCKING REPUBLICAN OR CONSERVATIVE BELIEVES THE BULLSHIT LIE.

The ONLY people that benefit are the rich.

When you people actually learn that most of the people in this country make less than 250k, and get laid off when the RICH mother fuckers put their tax breaks in a fucking bank or in off shore accounts, MAYBE, just maybe you will actually learn what the people in this country need.

The major supporters of the Republican party, the rich and big business have had so many tax breaks that it is breaking the back of the lower classes.

Granted, Big Business has helped create jobs, IN OTHER FUCKING COUNTRIES.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 3:48:17 PM   
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Even Reagan saw the error of his ways. After his initial tax breaks didn't he raise them a total of i think 8 times? Or were those tax raises only on the middle class?

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 3:56:55 PM   
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But isn't that the truly amazing part Tazz,these asshole will allow everything to go to shit in furtherance of a)insuring Obama is a one term President....and b)serving their actual base corporations and the mega rich.
All the while a large segment of lower class and middle class eat their bullshit up with a spoon and swear fealty to this party.
What the fuck is with that....could there really be that many idiots who swear they are joining the ranks of the super rich next week ?


And voters are listening....

A) They see a white, predominantly male, establishment berating, belittling and undermining the first black President.

B) They see no jobs, no income, and any "entitlements" they may fall back on are going out the window.

C) They see the GOP as being the party attempting to take away welfare and screw with medicare. (Heard that one on the bus from about 9 seniors... 3 of which said they were voting for Obama simply because of that, regardless of them being republicans)

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 4:31:06 PM   
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Sorry locked. But if you want the cuts to be on the backs of the poor and middle class, the rich have to give their share too.


Then Blowboy better change his tune and get real with his definition of "rich", because nothing that taxes individuals/businesses making 250k-1MM is going to pass.


You know, it's really interesting how Republicans have portrayed this as a tax increase when it is actually the expiration of a temporary tax incentive that was supposed to stimulate the economy and create jobs.

Yet the economy plunged into recession and jobs disappeared.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 4:39:12 PM   
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They see a white, predominantly male, establishment berating, belittling and undermining the first black President.


There you go again equating disagreeing with Obama as racism.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 4:41:55 PM   
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You know, it's really interesting how Republicans have portrayed this as a tax increase when it is actually the expiration of a temporary tax incentive


If taxes go up next year that is an increase.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 4:44:41 PM   
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lockedaway, I'm biting the bullet.  I assume that tax increases will be needed, specially rolling back the Bush tax cuts and eliminating some of the ridiculous tax breaks such as ag subsidies to not grow crops and the oil depletion allowances.  I'm not going to say that they're reasonable or not until I get more of an idea what the cuts affect.  Cantor's been typifying ALL tax increases as job-killing and that's preposterous.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 4:45:23 PM   
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They see a white, predominantly male, establishment berating, belittling and undermining the first black President.


There you go again equating disagreeing with Obama as racism.

Yeah,but please remember we spend great portions of time reading the posts of locked,sub rob and you....so yeah that's the impression we get

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 4:47:39 PM   
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They see a white, predominantly male, establishment berating, belittling and undermining the first black President.


There you go again equating disagreeing with Obama as racism.



Nope, Im not. I am repeating what I have heard the voters in my community saying. I listed the three categories that seem to be prevalent here. Some people fit into all three, some dont.

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RE: Republicans turn down budget deal with MAJOR cuts. - 7/10/2011 4:54:28 PM   
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So you are merely reporting that "they" equate disagreeing with Obama with racism.

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