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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/19/2011 8:46:58 AM

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I have experienced a dog shock collar frequently.

Couple of things.
The general guidance of no electricity above the heart is good. However, for a healthy person this isnt going to be a huge risk. Note however, that electricity ACROSS the heart is hugely dangerous. The shock collar, sends electricity across the two prongs, so doesnt go near the heart, so for me, its low risk , not "no risk", like many other forms of play.

IF you're going to do this.. ** do not go cheap** , buy a very good quality collar which is going to cost you > $100 , the absolute key requirement being a large number of shock levels. The one I have has 255 levels... below 20 it can't really be felt... consider it like a bug on you, bit of a tickle. At 200 it bloody hurts and I've never gone over that.. but the more levels is really important to be able to stay safe and within limits.

Now.. Im a cat person personally...but I have to agree with folk, I wouldnt put these on an animal....

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/19/2011 7:22:50 PM

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This is not something I would endorse on any level, but that is just me.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/19/2011 10:19:48 PM

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~fast reply~

Ok, I'm the unpopular one on this subject (yea, probably others too). But I do believe thre are circumstances (those of last resort) where a shock collar on a DOG is warranted and makes sense. One needs to take into account the type of dog, their temperment, their fur, etc. while considering it, along with what they hope the collar would achieve.

Personally, regardless of all of those things I would have attached bark collars to all five of my neighbors non stop barkers (including 3 am). I also wouldn't have greived much if anything happened to them. The were a pain in the ass.

Where I am currently, there are TEN dogs, and still less barking than that neighbor. But one does have a shock collar. He is a retired search and rescue dog, and it was used during his "working" time.

Just because the typical pet owner doesn't agree with something, it doesn't mean it serves no purpose. I would suggest spray bottles filled with just water as a means of training. We have also used "No More Tears" when it was near by (won't hurt their eyes.

I love dogs, my life doesn't really permit me having one (althought there is one I'm determined to sneak in my luggage when I move), but a lot of "die hard" owners mistake them for being equal to people and they just aren't. I know LC adores her dobies as though they are her "kids" spoiling them and such, but she always is aware they are not "little people." (or big people in her case, lol).

Just because something can be used on an animal and many collars come from the pet store, doesn't mean that every thing there qualifies as play things for kink. Shit why not just get a taser?

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/19/2011 11:40:22 PM

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Try it out on yourself first.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/20/2011 12:58:49 AM

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I've never played with them...but know somebody that does.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/20/2011 4:52:00 PM

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/20/2011 5:06:15 PM

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Personally, regardless of all of those things I would have attached bark collars to all five of my neighbors non stop barkers (including 3 am). I also wouldn't have greived much if anything happened to them. The were a pain in the ass.

You should attach them on the owners, as they didn't raise the dogs to not be barking monsters. I don't think the made the shock collars illegal in a lot of European countries for nothing, far too many idiots were zapping the dogs instead of training them, which lead to some seriously aggressive dogs. You can have some collars that release a smell the dog won't like if they bark, makes much more sense.

In the end it's down to the owner to raise and train the dog, they are not children or people but they're about as smart as a toddler, you wouldn't explain things to a toddler who can't understand nor would you put a shock collar on it to take a short cut. You can actually raise a dog to not bark like mad, the trick is to not yell at them, they don't understand what you are saying, they think you are joining in and bark louder, you just do it when you got control of them, expose them to something they would bark at, grab the snouts and hold them and say "quiet" or "shush" in a very calm voice, repeat a lot and in the end (from hours to days to weeks, depending on the breed) you just give the command quietly when you know they'll kick off, and they'll actually listen. They're not that smart you have to repeat and repeat for it to sink in.

You'll never stop a dog completely from barking, I mean that's why you have a dog, you don't want to scare a burglar with your own barking, so yes, if somebody rings the door or comes in and they don't know the person, there's a WOOF but that's it, they don't go on for hours, they just let you know somebody is coming - unfortunately they know the postman (he has treats for them) so they won't tell me anymore, they just sit next the entrance all excited because friendly postman with doggie treats comes every day at this hour. The guy with the parcels is usually licked a lot (apparently he smells nice to dogs)... Useless guard dogs but sweet as pie.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/21/2011 5:19:21 PM

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for some reason i notice that the original question seems to get lost early on. i thought the question was using bark control collars on subs (not pets) many sem to digress to how they object to the use on pets which i can understand them being upset about.

but is there any experience using them on subs. i would thing the genitals would be the area under consideration.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/22/2011 3:29:28 AM

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It isn't the throat you could damage. You could stop the heart. No electricity play above the waist.

As someone who was prescribed the use of a tens unit on his neck in high school I have to call bullshit on the no above the waist thing.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/22/2011 4:18:16 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: experiment2

for some reason i notice that the original question seems to get lost early on. i thought the question was using bark control collars on subs (not pets) many sem to digress to how they object to the use on pets which i can understand them being upset about.

but is there any experience using them on subs. i would thing the genitals would be the area under consideration.

I think the general consensus was that genitals are fine, above the waist not a good idea...

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/22/2011 4:29:09 AM

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for some reason i notice that the original question seems to get lost early on. i thought the question was using bark control collars on subs (not pets) many sem to digress to how they object to the use on pets which i can understand them being upset about.

but is there any experience using them on subs. i would thing the genitals would be the area under consideration.

That may have something to do with the OP's second post on the thread. After research it was decided that the idea wasn't to the OP's liking.

As to your question above, yes, I have a bit. However, I couldn't tell you much about the device itself, as it was something that the submissive owned, so I couldn't tell you anything about the modifications he had made to it. However, it was not activated by sound. It had a hand held, battery operated remote.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/22/2011 8:45:27 PM

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I think the general consensus was that genitals are fine, above the waist not a good idea...

Well that certainly is the urban myth.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/23/2011 3:58:48 AM

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quote:

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I think the general consensus was that genitals are fine, above the waist not a good idea...

Well that certainly is the urban myth.

It's not and the TENS unit on your neck is completely different, a shock collar will go AROUND your neck, I had TENS units on my upper back as well, but they never cross from the left to the right side of the body, you will have them on one side of the body always. For simplicity reasons the golden rule is that the spine shouldn't be crossed above the waist.

You go and believe it's an urban myth and doctors know jack shit, chances are that in most cases nothing will happen, but then you get that one case where the electricity finds it's way across the heart, the freak accident where the frequencies are just wrong and then you explain to the ambulance, the cops and the court that you thought it was an urban myth and see where it gets you, and you'll live with the knowledge that you damaged or killed somebody because well, you thought it was an "urban myth".

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/23/2011 4:09:25 AM

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Carol doesn't bark.

*Sigh*. Women are so exotically different your side of the pond, Jeff.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/23/2011 4:13:01 AM

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Carol doesn't bark.

*Sigh*. Women are so exotically different your side of the pond, Jeff.

Well, I thought being where you are you'd be more interested in sheep, but apparently also bitches... (Makes note to protect the virtue of the pretty Doberlady when Peon is around)

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/23/2011 6:47:58 AM

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but is there any experience using them on subs. i would thing the genitals would be the area under consideration.

I haven't used it on a sub, but I did try one out on myself once out of curiosity as a kid (on the neck, not the balls. CBT=no). It wasn't the barking kind, it was the button-press kind, and while it wasn't precisely pleasant it wasn't much more than a TENS unit. Enough to return the situation to golden silence, certainly, but not (I imagine) enough to hurt anyone. I'm not a doctor, I'm not going to claim medical knowledge, but it didn't hurt me at all so take that as you will.

Logic says to me that if it were dangerous it would hurt the dogs, and if it did we would hear about it. Still, this, like all electrical play, is as bumbrits says low-risk not no-risk. Go into it with a clear head, and as with anything S&M do it to yourself a significant amount to get a firm and intuitive understanding of the sensation involved with it before you do it to someone else.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/23/2011 6:55:14 AM

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Logic says to me that if it were dangerous it would hurt the dogs, and if it did we would hear about it. Still, this, like all electrical play, is as bumbrits says low-risk not no-risk. Go into it with a clear head, and as with anything S&M do it to yourself a significant amount to get a firm and intuitive understanding of the sensation involved with it before you do it to someone else.

I don't know, logic also says that it hurts dogs when their tails are docked and their ears are cropped, how much do we hear about their pain? They can't exactly say "Please don't do that, you're cutting a part of my body off"

I would say in most cases nothing will happen, even if you put the collar around your neck, but most cases doesn't cut it when something goes wrong. The body works on electrical impulses, the heart does and my take is that I will take a calculated risk when I play, now the heart frequency is nothing I can control and if it goes wrong, it really goes wrong, it isn't just a bit of blood or an embarrassing trip to the ER.

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/23/2011 7:01:02 AM

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I don't know, logic also says that it hurts dogs when their tails are docked and their ears are cropped, how much do we hear about their pain?

We hear about that ALL THE TIME. It's a miracle we have time for anything else... How many people do you know who are unaware that they crop tails and ears off of certain breeds of dogs? I'm going to put my estimate at just about none. If a rash of dead dogs was following in the wake of these collars and it got even 10% as much publicity, at least one person in this thread would have a link to it. If nothing else, many many of the collars that have push-button are designed and used for hunting dogs, and you bet your ass someone who paid 1200 bucks for a hunting dog is going to raise a world of hell if the thing drops dead the first time they feel the need to make a correction.

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I would say in most cases nothing will happen, even if you put the collar around your neck, but most cases doesn't cut it when something goes wrong. The body works on electrical impulses, the heart does and my take is that I will take a calculated risk when I play, now the heart frequency is nothing I can control and if it goes wrong, it really goes wrong, it isn't just a bit of blood or an embarrassing trip to the ER.

That's a risk that each person is going to have to quantify for themselves, at the end of the day. RACK

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/23/2011 9:11:26 AM

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Well, I am putting my estimate in that you didn't understand the question or deliberately misunderstood it because it didn't suit?

Who asked about people being aware of breeds of dogs that in some countries barbarically get cropped and docked? Where did that come from? It was about the pain they experience and the "loving owners" are being blissfully unaware of it...

Oddly enough the same countries who outlawed the barbaric treatment also outlawed the shock collars, funny that, think that's unrelated and just an odd coincidence?

Now if you think it's super fine, cool, put one on and zap yourself all you want, but if you are telling somebody else it's fine and you wear it, the other person might be foolish enough to believe you and then end up with massive problems - and that's everything but RACK

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RE: Bark Control Collars. - 7/23/2011 9:42:59 AM

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Well, I am putting my estimate in that you didn't understand the question or deliberately misunderstood it because it didn't suit?

Who asked about people being aware of breeds of dogs that in some countries barbarically get cropped and docked? Where did that come from? It was about the pain they experience and the "loving owners" are being blissfully unaware of it...

Oddly enough the same countries who outlawed the barbaric treatment also outlawed the shock collars, funny that, think that's unrelated and just an odd coincidence?

Now if you think it's super fine, cool, put one on and zap yourself all you want, but if you are telling somebody else it's fine and you wear it, the other person might be foolish enough to believe you and then end up with massive problems - and that's everything but RACK

Ok, my initial statement was that if these things were dangerous to dogs we would know about it. Your response was that people were unaware of the practice of cropping/docking because the animal was incapable of complaint. I responded that people were, in fact, quite aware of this practice, and therefore it did not serve to refute my original point, which is that if the things were killing dogs we would know about it. I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the collars hurt. I can affirm for you, beyond any doubt, that they do, in fact, hurt.

The outlawing of the collars was not done because of safety concerns (unless I'm mistaken - if you have evidence to the contrary I'd be happy to see it) but instead out of issues of cruelty, which incidentally I support 100% along with a ban on surgically altering dogs for decorative purposes. However, I also support the ban of hitting dogs with riding crops, and that's something I think we can all agree is quite acceptable in a BDSM setting.

I will reassert - if you can show me an instance in which one of these collars has harmed an animal in the day-to-day employment which has occurred on thousands of dogs for over 50 years, I will accept that. If you can't, you then need to prove one of two things. Either you must prove that

A) Canine physiology is sufficiently different for it to be an issue
B) There has been a large-scale coverup of these issues for the past half century

If you cannot do that, I can only conclude that these hundreds of thousands if not millions of data points representing individual instances of the employment of shocker collars in which no permanent harm was done represent sufficient evidence to call this a reasonably safe device. To be clear, I'm not, and was never, saying it doesn't carry a risk, because electricity ALWAYS carries a risk.

EDIT: Grammar

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