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Does not mean he changed his personal views.

Not changing one's views over a lifetime would just be stupid and incredibly unobservant.

Lets see, now when I was a child I determined that "murder is really bad".

I guess now that I am older I should change my views and its really good now.

What kind of looney road is that?

Is there a real point in there somewhere other than the obvious frivolous argument?

Your spin on things doesn't mean he didn't mean what he said when he changed his views either.

History is spin? 

Support your claim.  I have not seen anything ever, that would imply such a thing.  Adopting someone elses reasoning in a democratic effort is not the same as changing ones personal views.

PRECISELY where did he change his "views"?

There are ideals. There is what works. Pat came to see the difference.

There is no evidence what so ever that is the case.  Purely spin on your part.

Kind of silly to suppose a once blatantly outspoken man suddenly become docile and compliant. But if he did...not so top shelf. Me...I respect the man, and trust he was speaking his truth, his entire life.

I already explained to you that when operating as a democracy, you know the biggest gang wins, then you have 2 choices; either wage war against the other gang, or throw in your support of your new gubmint.

Now unless you have something that specifically shows otherwise, and I have no intention to scour the net looking for what you have at your fingertips, then post it.  Otherwise your whole position is frivolous.

Addressing the blue crap, in order:

1) Clearly a bullshit construction, and you know it. All views aren't going to change, and certainly not the extreme nonsense you posit.

2) No, history isn't spin--YOUR TAKE on it is spin. I clearly said that.

3) Support the claim? It's Patrick's own words.

Support your view that he was a plain spoken man but then decided to just go along with the opposition. How likely is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Henry#Later_years

THAT's the difference between history and spin.

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If my colleagues feel as though the matter has been fully discussed then they are more content than I … I would apologize to the other delegates for surely taking more than my share of the time, and thank them for their patience and attention. If I am outvoted, I know that I will have lost fighting for the right cause. Yet I will be a peaceful citizen! I will work to correct the defects of this system, but in a constitutional manner! I shall therefore patiently wait in expectation of seeing that Government changed so as to be compatible with the safety, liberty, and happiness of the people.