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dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 8:23:02 PM   
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I'm beginning to wonder if all Doms are sadists to at least some degree.  Thoughts?   
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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 8:30:47 PM   
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Probably so....I know I have a bit of a streak of it Meself! Just depends on the person as to how much of a streak they have......but then some sadistic can be good!

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 8:32:44 PM   
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Actually, I'm trying to turn my dom into more of a sadist...let's see if it works!

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 8:38:19 PM   
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It's absolutely possible. I've met doms who couldn't stand the thought of hurting their subs. It's damned rare, I think, but like everything else it exists.

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 8:38:22 PM   
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No, not all Dominants are sadists.  We have a number of Dominants right here on the forums who have absolutely no interest in it.  The very same as not all submissives are masochists.

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 8:44:25 PM   
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I'm one of those dominant's that LadyPact mentions. I like some pain play because I like the response of my submissive, but for the sake of hurting him because I get off to it somehow, no, not my thing. Sometimes between my friends and I, we refer to me as a baby sadist. They all say I will grow into it, but I don't think I will. I'm just missing something that I think would prompt me to seek more sadistic play.




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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 8:45:21 PM   
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Would you believe it - I once knew a Black guy who was 7'0" tall - and he couldn't dribble a basketball!

And I know many Dominants (myself included) who are not sadists.

It's that "Twue Dominant" stereotype: If you don't beat your sub/slave - you're not a "Twue Dominant".

In short, it's B.S.


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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 8:52:49 PM   
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I wasn't sure, so I just looked up the definition of sadism. I was going to answer that my (ex sort of) Dominant has no interest in sadism...that the only reason he hits harder is because I ask him to...but the definition I saw said pain or degradation. We got some of that going on. Guess it depends on what someone's definition of degradation is. And since maybe there is a woman out there that thinks that a man even considering himself dominant over a woman is a form of degradation, then yes...I suppose to be dominant is to have a shot of sadism.


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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 8:56:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Would you believe it - I once knew a Black guy who was 7'0" tall - and he couldn't dribble a basketball!



Now you're just making things up


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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 9:04:04 PM   
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No not all dominant type people are sadistic.

Be patient and good luck.

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 9:16:21 PM   
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I can honestly say it is possible.  My Husband hates the idea of hurting me, I have to BEG him to.  He only does it because he knows that I get off on it, then he tries to apologize for the bruises. 

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 9:38:49 PM   
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I would say actually the majority of doms that I've ever met are not sadistic at all and actually quite just the opposite and my experience has been that the majority of those doms who call themselves sadists really are not and more what I would label as sensualists....they enjoy playing with the senses to a point of creating a little bit of consensual pain but nothing on what I term sadism.



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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 9:47:45 PM   
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It seems the dom's that I've met say that they are not sadists, and then turn out to be VERY cruel.  Maybe I just bring it out in them :(

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 9:55:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: solicitude

It seems the dom's that I've met say that they are not sadists, and then turn out to be VERY cruel.  Maybe I just bring it out in them :(


or maybe your idea of cruel and their's is different. I personally learned a long time ago to never ever go by what a person labels themselves online. Instead I talked to them for a long time and figured out what type of person they were from our conversations.

Could be that's what you should do before jumping in.



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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 10:18:33 PM   
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I don't just "jump in".  I spent months talking about just about everything before meeting them (there have only been 2). 

By cruel, I mean physically causing intense pain (resulting in physical harm) against the expressed desire or will of another person as well as being emotionally abusive and psychologically damaging in the worst imaginable ways. 

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 10:21:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: solicitude

I'm beginning to wonder if all Doms are sadists to at least some degree. Thoughts?



I am a mildly sadistic Domme who likes paddles, crops, cloths pins, spanking and other mildly painful activities I have been told many times that I was not a “serious Domme” or called inexperienced, scared, even fake because I have no desire to make My bleed or use other much more seriously painful techniques.

Years back I even wondered Myself, if I was Sadistic enough to be a “Real Domme” I felt as I was expected to love inflicting severe pain on subs and have no consideration for their pain or feelings and If I was not Sadistic enough I was not Dominant. Being younger and less sure of Myself I did not want to misrepresent Myself to anyone.

It took Me a little while to learn that just like there are all different kids of people there are also all different kinds of Dominants and submissive in the lifestyle. There are many ways to Dominate, submit and serve, we are not all going to be in to the same things and we hopefully just have to find the closed match we can. A couple could have a D/s relationship with out any pain ever being intentionally inflicted on the sub and it would not make there relationship any less D/s in My not so humble opinion.

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I wasn't sure, so I just looked up the definition of sadism. I was going to answer that my (ex sort of) Dominant has no interest in sadism...that the only reason he hits harder is because I ask him to...but the definition I saw said pain or degradation. We got some of that going on. Guess it depends on what someone's definition of degradation is. And since maybe there is a woman out there that thinks that a man even considering himself dominant over a woman is a form of degradation, then yes...I suppose to be dominant is to have a shot of sadism.




That Woman you speak of is Me, I am tolerant of all non harmful choices any willing adult makes but with Female Supremacy being on of my fundamental beliefs it just feels very wrong to Me, I have had a very hard time being present for any play sessions involving a made dom and Female sub summiting to them, It disagrees with me to the core of My being and even angers Me, I find it extremely degrading not only to the female sub but to Me as well, but I have never felt that the male dom was sadistic purely because of that degradation. (I realize My views are on the extreme side and very controversial, I am not trying to rile anyone up or run this thread off topic so no equality speeches please)

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ORIGINAL: HisPet21

Actually, I'm trying to turn my dom into more of a sadist...let's see if it works!


Personally I have learned that I am not a good match to a sub that wishes to be a pain slut, but I can will push Myself a little more in that area for a deserving sub that I know wants a little extra then I would normally give. Hopefully if your Dom will know it means a lot to you and try to go that extra mile, but if you are looking for a level of sadism that he is very uncomfortable with you may have to decide how important it is to you.

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 10:39:07 PM   
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one MUST be cruel to be kind

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 11:14:36 PM   
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master isnt a sadist, he doesnt get off giving pain but he loves my pleasure to pain and the feeling when i am in space. an the gooey me after

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 11:22:34 PM   
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It took me years to find a man who was extremely Dominant AND sadistic. Most I met wanted to use spankings etc for punishment and correction rather than for fun. For a masochist like me, that sounds like the relationship from hell, lol

So I would say that yes, there ARE Dominant men out there who do not enjoy giving pain.

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RE: dominant but not sadistic - is it possible? - 7/16/2011 11:27:05 PM   
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I find that reward for excellence goes a lot farther than fear and punishment for shortcomings. I'd personally rather not even strike my pets at all, aside from the occasional fun swat to the backside. After all, one should never mistreat ones toys, in my opinion. Let me find out... Asking K. right now.

Me: I have a silly question for you. Well, silly, but somewhat serious at the same time.

K: Hmm?

Me: Would you say that I am dominant? Not solely to you, but, from what you know, in general.

K: Hmm. Yes. But not in the annoying sort of way that other people are. "You do what I say, and do it now! You won't? Oh... Okay. Pleeeeease?" Annoying >_>

Me: Hahahaha! Okay. One more question then. Would you say that I'm sadistic?

K: Nuh uh. Would you?

Me: I don't think I would, no. The reason I ask is, someone posed a rather interesting question. "Is it possible to be dominant without being sadistic?"

K: Hmm. I think it is possible, yeah.

Me: Such as in my case?

K: Yes!

So... we can certainly say that it is possible. :)

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