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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 11:10:32 AM   
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Its the Republicans Cap, Cut & Balance plan vs, Obamas Duck, Dodge Cry & Spin plan

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71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis


WHAT handling of the debt "crisis"?

All they do is posture and point.




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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 11:28:48 AM   
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Its the Republicans Cap, Cut & Balance plan vs, Obamas Duck, Dodge Cry & Spin plan

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71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis


WHAT handling of the debt "crisis"?

All they do is posture and point.






If what I heard is correct (and they dont chicken out), there are 12 Dem Senators ready to vote for it, and it will also pass the House, meaning Obama will have to veto it. Can't wait for his spin on that.

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 11:34:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Easy and no spin.  It kicks the can down the road 5 years, driving this country into further debt and a greater percentage of interest payments, relieves the republicans of the burden of constitutional and fiscal responsibility, (but we already knew they haven't any fiscal responsibility) and is pure political suicide for all concerned.  

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 11:45:30 AM   
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Easy and no spin.  It kicks the can down the road 5 years, driving this country into further debt and a greater percentage of interest payments, relieves the republicans of the burden of constitutional and fiscal responsibility, (but we already knew they haven't any fiscal responsibility) and is pure political suicide for all concerned.  


Not to mention that if the President veto's it, it was largely a waste of the taxpayer's dollar. I thought conservatives were angry about the tax payer dollar being wasted on crap. The President has made it clear to their faces what he's willing to comprise on and what he's standing firm on. If Republicans have a hard time understanding english, perhaps they are in the wrong line of work. It'll be the Republican's fault, for not putting down a bill that BOTH parties can agree to.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry when I watch the Republicans behave like they own the federal goverment and call all the shots. They really do believe that the President will just cave into any and all of their demands (regardless of how insane it sounds). Well, if the bill is veto'd, its the Republicans fault for wasting the taxpayer dollar to bring that bill forward in the first place.

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:02:00 PM   
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Easy and no spin.  It kicks the can down the road 5 years, driving this country into further debt and a greater percentage of interest payments, relieves the republicans of the burden of constitutional and fiscal responsibility, (but we already knew they haven't any fiscal responsibility) and is pure political suicide for all concerned.  


The U.S. borrows 188,000,000.00 every hour.  I heard an economist say today that O'scumbag has "scheduled" a recession for 2013.  What an odd way to put it, I thought.  How do you schedule a recession?  The economist went on to say that if O'scumbag gets his increase in the federal income tax, his payroll tax, his corporate income tax, funding for O'scumbag care, funding for cap and trade....some of these not all of them......that in 2013 we will see an increase in interest rates which will mean an increase on the interest on the debt.  The amount of money we are borrowing exceeds out interest but not by much.  In this economist's estimation, our borrowing will not even pay the interest in 2013. 

Kicking a can down the road?  Anything less than the 4 trillion in dollar for dollar spending cuts, dismantling of programs, reform of all entitlements a reduction of corporate tax rates and this country continues its inexorable march to destruction.

What is the road side chain?  Tom Horton?  Something like that.  They just reincorporated in Canada where the corporate tax rate is 16%. 

Are taxes in the U.S. too high?  Some really rich ex-patriot American tycoons and their once American companies seem to think so:

http://www.focus.com/fyi/10-big-businesses-that-have-moved-abroad/

But I point this stuff out and people tell me how wrong I am.  :)  The United States is rocketing into the abyss.  Go ahead...tell me I'm wrong.

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:10:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		 The U.S. borrows 188,000,000.00 every hour  (the republican house of representatives does).

O'scumbag gets his increase in the federal income tax, his payroll tax, his corporate income tax, funding for O'scumbag care, funding for cap and trade.

Show me citations of each of Obamas proposals on this. The uncited 'economist' is about as stupid as they come.  We can safely ignore it.


Kicking a can down the road?  Anything less than the 4 trillion in dollar for dollar spending cuts, dismantling of programs, reform of all entitlements a reduction of corporate tax rates and this country continues its inexorable march to destruction.

Need heavier cuts in defense, reform, huge increase to corporate tax rates, to avoid the inexorable march to destruction. 

The United States is rocketing into the abyss.  Go ahead...tell me I'm wrong.


Nobody is telling you that you are wrong on this pair of statements, we were saying it long before you came to town. 



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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:10:17 PM   
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What is the road side chain?  Tom Horton?  Something like that.  They just reincorporated in Canada where the corporate tax rate is 16%. 



Tim Horton's .... awesome donuts and coffee...far better than Dunkin Donuts (which better get its ass into SoCal soon!) . It is the largest fast food chain in Canada. Im not sure that the relocation to Canada was tax related though. They were bought by Wendy's in the mid-90s and then spun off again as an independent company. It would only be natural to locate in Canada where the vast majority of their operations are.

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:15:51 PM   
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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:18:52 PM   
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The U.S. borrows 188,000,000.00 every hour  (the republican house of representatives does).

O'scumbag gets his increase in the federal income tax, his payroll tax, his corporate income tax, funding for O'scumbag care, funding for cap and trade.

Show me citations of each of Obamas proposals on this. The uncited 'economist' is about as stupid as they come.  We can safely ignore it.


Kicking a can down the road?  Anything less than the 4 trillion in dollar for dollar spending cuts, dismantling of programs, reform of all entitlements a reduction of corporate tax rates and this country continues its inexorable march to destruction.

Need heavier cuts in defense, reform, huge increase to corporate tax rates, to avoid the inexorable march to destruction. 

The United States is rocketing into the abyss.  Go ahead...tell me I'm wrong.


Nobody is telling you that you are wrong on this pair of statements, we were saying it long before you came to town. 




With respect to O'scumbag's proposals, here is something to read:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/03/obamas-2012-budget-higher-taxes-slower-growth

With respect to the unnamed economist, pull up Rush Limbaugh's web site.  It will give you the name of the economist whose name I cannot recall and the book he has written since they were touting it on the program.  Excerpts from it sound absolutely terrifying for this country.  If you find the name of the book, please tell me, I would like to pick it up.  Allegedly, this guy has laid out a world of reform ideas/proposals as well.

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:19:20 PM   
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What is the road side chain?  Tom Horton?  Something like that.  They just reincorporated in Canada where the corporate tax rate is 16%. 


Corporate tax rate of 16% and universal health care, my my, how do they do it?, here I thought you told me that universal healthcare was ruinous. 

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:22:16 PM   
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Need heavier cuts in defense, reform, huge increase to corporate tax rates, to avoid the inexorable march to destruction.


If you have your way, there will be NO corporations left.  Canada's corporate tax rate?  16%  Why be in the U.S.?  Germany's corporate tax rate?  20%.  Why be in the U.S.?  Anyone know what the corporate tax rates are in Panama, Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico?  Why be in the U.S.? 

The United States of American has rapidly become the country with NOTHING to offer.

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:23:54 PM   
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What is the road side chain?  Tom Horton?  Something like that.  They just reincorporated in Canada where the corporate tax rate is 16%. 


Corporate tax rate of 16% and universal health care, my my, how do they do it?, here I thought you told me that universal healthcare was ruinous. 


I guess Canada also doesn't police the world like we do.  That is certainly part of it.  But since Iran invaded Iraq today...well...I think you can look forward to our military being quite engaged for a long, long time.


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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:30:29 PM   
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The article you quoted does not say what you said it does, but it is a rabid right site that is long on op ed and non-existant on facts.  The conclusion you draw, while not drawn on that site and the conclusion of that site are both untenable on face value.

With respect to an economist and limbaugh, for everyone of those you find that take that line of reasoning with those causalities, I can find you any number of economists that can factually argue against it.  I will not visit a site that is related to Rush Limbaugh, as I have no need of his blithering imbicility any more than I do say...Lyndon LaRouche or Prison Planet.  

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:33:16 PM   
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Need heavier cuts in defense, reform, huge increase to corporate tax rates, to avoid the inexorable march to destruction.


If you have your way, there will be NO corporations left.  Canada's corporate tax rate?  16%  Why be in the U.S.?  Germany's corporate tax rate?  20%.  Why be in the U.S.?  Anyone know what the corporate tax rates are in Panama, Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico?  Why be in the U.S.? 

The United States of American has rapidly become the country with NOTHING to offer.



I am for the dismantling of corporate enabling in the US.  They suck us dry.  In these countries that have lower nominally stated tax rates, they do not have the loopholes we have, nobody should be naive enough to think that some US corporation ever has or ever will pay 35% of their gross net on taxes. 

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:39:30 PM   
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http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/03/obamas-2012-budget-higher-taxes-slower-growth
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With respect to truckinslave and the citations.

The article you quoted does not say what you said it does, but it is a rabid right site that is long on op ed and non-existant on facts.  The conclusion you draw, while not drawn on that site and the conclusion of that site are both untenable on face value.

With respect to an economist and limbaugh, for everyone of those you find that take that line of reasoning with those causalities, I can find you any number of economists that can factually argue against it.  I will not visit a site that is related to Rush Limbaugh, as I have no need of his blithering imbicility any more than I do say...Lyndon LaRouche or Prison Planet.  


Truckinslave posted citations or are you referring to Heritage.org?  You can be as dismissive as you like.  I don't care.  I see the train wreck advancing everyday.  You don't?  Ok...you don't.  This president has increased our debt faster in the past 2 years than any predecessor.  I guess you don't feel that raising taxes or borrowing like a made man during a recession is dangerous....  I do.   I guess you don't see O'scumbag care as a tax increase even thought it is admitted it will require funding from taxpayers of 500 billion additional dollars.  I guess you don't feel that another stimulus (since all of them have been failures thus far) would be suicide...I do.  The economists that I listen to that you call imbeciles predict disaster.  Well...I think the disaster is here, we are living it.  We have not seen this kind of unemployment since the Great Depression.  But I will assure you that it is only the beginning. 

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:40:15 PM   
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I guess Canada also doesn't police the world like we do.  That is certainly part of it.  But since Iran invaded Iraq today...well...I think you can look forward to our military being quite engaged for a long, long time.



Iran invaded Iraq?  LOL.

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:41:15 PM   
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Need heavier cuts in defense, reform, huge increase to corporate tax rates, to avoid the inexorable march to destruction.


If you have your way, there will be NO corporations left.  Canada's corporate tax rate?  16%  Why be in the U.S.?  Germany's corporate tax rate?  20%.  Why be in the U.S.?  Anyone know what the corporate tax rates are in Panama, Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico?  Why be in the U.S.? 

The United States of American has rapidly become the country with NOTHING to offer.



I am for the dismantling of corporate enabling in the US.  They suck us dry.  In these countries that have lower nominally stated tax rates, they do not have the loopholes we have, nobody should be naive enough to think that some US corporation ever has or ever will pay 35% of their gross net on taxes. 


Fine...set forth the loopholes you want cancelled.  I want a flat tax of 20% with only typical business deductions as deductions.  We have lost a lot of business to Canada...where are their tax deductions???  That would make for an interesting post or thread.

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:42:51 PM   
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I guess Canada also doesn't police the world like we do.  That is certainly part of it.  But since Iran invaded Iraq today...well...I think you can look forward to our military being quite engaged for a long, long time.



Iran invaded Iraq?  LOL.


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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:48:01 PM   
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Your use of Heritage .Org, and an un-named economist and rush limbaugh in one paragraph is enough to render you impotent from serious speech for three months, you cant even get the name of a canadian company right, let alone the details, and your lack of knowledge in general renders you harmless. Congratulations, a banner day for you.

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RE: Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - 7/19/2011 12:48:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		NO, he has not increased the debt faster, the house did that.  I guess you dont have much in the way of intelligence, since you find it other than fucking retarded to project your idiocy and put words in peoples mouth, introduce opinion not in fact in evidence and provide paths to positions that someone does not hold.

Do not impugn me, I did not say that borrowing was ok, in fact I have spoken vehemently against it, and I belive that taxes should be raised on the wealthiest. I don't agree with any stimulus.

The republicans are the destructive borrowers, that is a cut and dried fact.

It is irresponsibe to accuse the conservatives (rinos, republicans, neo-cons, and teabaggers) of fiscal responsibility now or at some future time; simultaneously, it is irresponsibly inaccurate to accuse them of fiscal responsibility in the past. 

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