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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/21/2011 11:12:39 PM   
Palliata


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...one is the abbreviation of the other.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ma%27am

EDIT: Ah ok I see I used the incorrect spelling of madam. My mistake.


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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/21/2011 11:14:15 PM   
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I don't care, it's what the title implies to me that matters, not what you or anybody or dictionary says it means

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 3:31:14 AM   
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I don't know you, but I find your comment to be almost laughable. You strike me as someone who discovered D/s on-line rather than in real life.

I've been openly involved in D/s for almost 20 years, and I've NEVER met anyone at a real life event who felt that they were inherently superior to subs/slaves (who were not their own) simply due to their own self-appointed role as a "Dominant".


I've been wondering about this myself recently.

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 3:35:03 AM   
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I kindly correct them, just as I would if they misspelled my name.
Them: Good Morning, Slave.
Me: Good Morning, Joe. Perhaps you weren't aware, but my name is Kiya. :)


Would you ever move forward with someone like this or are you just providing a public service?

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 3:39:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

I kindly correct them, just as I would if they misspelled my name.
Them: Good Morning, Slave.
Me: Good Morning, Joe. Perhaps you weren't aware, but my name is Kiya. :)


Would you ever move forward with someone like this or are you just providing a public service?



Excellent question, kali.




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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 4:15:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

I don't know you, but I find your comment to be almost laughable. You strike me as someone who discovered D/s on-line rather than in real life.

I've been openly involved in D/s for almost 20 years, and I've NEVER met anyone at a real life event who felt that they were inherently superior to subs/slaves (who were not their own) simply due to their own self-appointed role as a "Dominant".


I've been wondering about this myself recently.



Absolutely yes to the first.

The 2nd comment, I have met very few people in real life who were under that delusion, they faded out quickly and were rather disappointed that things didn't happen their way. In Italy the BDSM community even has coined a name for them "donna brutta" or "donna grassa", as quite a few females that are short of male attention think slapping a BDSM title on will all of a sudden give them tons of admirers and all of them would be so mesmerized by the shiny new title that common sense would fly out of the window.

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:05:19 AM   
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Another related irritation is when other subs (often Gorean) insist on calling my Owner Sir, even after he has told them not to.
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That's odd.  I have heard Goreans use the term Master for every man who calls himself a Dom, but not Sir.


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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:13:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

I kindly correct them, just as I would if they misspelled my name.
Them: Good Morning, Slave.
Me: Good Morning, Joe. Perhaps you weren't aware, but my name is Kiya. :)


Would you ever move forward with someone like this or are you just providing a public service?



No. That kind of statement has put the kibbosh on what looked like something interesting from FL. It reflects a mindset - perhaps I put weight on EVERYTHING - but I expect people to be aware of the implications of their actions and words. And it's more subtle and polite response than 'I'm not your slave, dumbass!'. *lol*
And this is assuming we've actually talked a bit, prior. First emails like this get deleted, unanswered.
*shrug* I didn't have to do anything after that correction - he just 'faded' away.
I've done the same thing a coupe of times for misspelling (people like to drop the 'i') and have had continued to chat with them.

K.

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:15:22 AM   
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I also hate it when I see some doms talk to newbies (or the person that is with me)at munches and such an calls her "little one" . mmm,mmm,mmm.

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:19:47 AM   
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For God's sake, woman, I have to compete with your live-in Dom AND this guy as well?  I am a strong, proud Dominant, dammit!!!!!!

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:20:28 AM   
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I also hate it when I see some doms talk to newbies (or the person that is with me)at munches and such an calls her "little one" .

They might not be talking to the newbie. They may be having a convo with their dick.

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:21:12 AM   
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Don't forget my male submissive !!





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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:25:12 AM   
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It's funny... I have gotten a little more ... relaxed about this.  Every word spoken here in Korea pretty much can have an honorific used with it.  Honorifics are just part of the way things get done here.  Of course my form of honorific tends to be, "anyang hoshmikah, sugar darling!"  Hey, it's an honor to be called "sugar darling" by me.

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:47:52 AM   
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It's funny... I have gotten a little more ... relaxed about this.  Every word spoken here in Korea pretty much can have an honorific used with it.  Honorifics are just part of the way things get done here.  Of course my form of honorific tends to be, "anyang hoshmikah, sugar darling!"  Hey, it's an honor to be called "sugar darling" by me.


What is so interesting about this conversation, is that in a profession situation, I have no problem calling someone Sir. I have often been called upon to address someone when I didn't know their name. Sir or Ma'am works fine for that, or Miss if they seem young enough.

It's a staple of the business world.

It's just to me, in the BDSM world, Sir (or Ma'am) means something beyond basic etiquette. In implies a connection and a sign of respect I don't have (and am never going to have) for the average desktop dom.

Although I admit I would use it in a real time situation where I thought it was called for, b/c I respect the person, or b/c it was expedient. For example, at a munch where I have not been introduced, I would say: "Sir, may I ask your name?" usually I can tell a male dom from a male sub, but I would use the Sir anyway, and a male sub would give me a look and make it clear I was wrong about what side of the kneel he was on.

In most cases the dom will introduce himself, realizing I called him Sir b/c I didn't know his name. To me, saying "Hey you" is rude, and it doesn't matter if I am in domme or sub mode. It's just not polite and not the way I want to put my best self forward when meeting new people.








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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:49:24 AM   
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I never call anyone Sir but my Owner. If I called everyone Sir, how would I give my Owner the extra respect he deserves? I agree that if *I* approached a Dom wanting to play with them, submit to them or be considered by them then it might be a nice idea to start as I meant to go on. But this doesn't explain why Doms who approach me for 'a chat' or 'friendship' then try to insist on being called Sir. It seems to me that there are many low-status individuals who use online BDSM as a way to get the respect they fail to get in their real life. Unfortunately for them, they are not going to get that respect from me.

Another related irritation is when other subs (often Gorean) insist on calling my Owner Sir, even after he has told them not to. For him, Sir is the personal, sexual, intimate title that I give him and for others in BDSM to refer to him by that title is an attempt by them to position themselves as submissive to him, something which he has not asked for or consented to. It is particularly rude for them to continue after he has made his feelings clear, claiming 'that's just what I call all Doms' and imposing their standards onto him.

If someone says 'call me Sir' I simply say 'no thanks' and carry on with what I was saying previously. No-one can dominate you without your permission!

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Well, obviously, both you and your owner are entitled to do and call one another and others as you prefer. For me however, I wouldn't be talking with you if you didn't address me as I prefer, respectfully. This is my preference, and I'm entitled to it, too. And obviously since you're a slave and I'm a Master, its crystal clear which of us is right!

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:51:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

It's funny... I have gotten a little more ... relaxed about this.  Every word spoken here in Korea pretty much can have an honorific used with it.  Honorifics are just part of the way things get done here.  Of course my form of honorific tends to be, "anyang hoshmikah, sugar darling!"  Hey, it's an honor to be called "sugar darling" by me.


What is so interesting about this conversation, is that in a profession situation, I have no problem calling someone Sir. I have often been called upon to address someone when I didn't know their name. Sir or Ma'am works fine for that, or Miss if they seem young enough.

It's a staple of the business world.

It's just to me, in the BDSM world, Sir (or Ma'am) means something beyond basic etiquette. In implies a connection and a sign of respect I don't have (and am never going to have) for the average desktop dom.

Although I admit I would use it in a real time situation where I thought it was called for, b/c I respect the person, or b/c it was expedient. For example, at a munch where I have not been introduced, I would say: "Sir, may I ask your name?" usually I can tell a male dom from a male sub, but I would use the Sir anyway, and a male sub would give me a look and make it clear I was wrong about what side of the kneel he was on.

In most cases the dom will introduce himself, realizing I called him Sir b/c I didn't know his name. To me, saying "Hey you" is rude, and it doesn't matter if I am in domme or sub mode. It's just not polite and not the way I want to put my best self forward when meeting new people.









Hey; I actually like this one!

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 5:53:31 AM   
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I'd possibly would just say "Excuse me, we haven't been introduced, I'm ...." and then expect to get a name, the whole Sir and Ma'am stuff sounds a bit too much military to me or something I'd call an elderly person.

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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 6:03:20 AM   
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obviously since you're a slave and I'm a Master, its crystal clear which of us is right!


No.

She is not a slave at all.  EXCEPT to her Master.  NOT to you.

Your profile screams that you have no experience.  If you want to consider yourself a Master, feel free, but to me, a Master is someone who is recognized by the community as such.

I have never known anyone who considered themself right by virtue of being a Master or even a Dom.  But they get obeyed, right or wrong.


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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 6:06:23 AM   
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I totally understand your point of view. I just see Sir as an appropriate way to address a male I don't know.

I use it in my everyday life often. If a man holds the down for me, or gives me some special help (as a store clerk, perhaps) I say: "Thank you Sir."

I feel he's been very respectful of me, it is proper for me to be respectful of him. But then, I am a switch. hhmm...I can't say that the fact I have a sub side is responsible for this, or not.

But, if someone makes my day in a small way, I like to return the favor, and saying "thank you Sir" is an easy way to do it.



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RE: Early Use of Honorifics.. - 7/22/2011 6:10:03 AM   
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obviously since you're a slave and I'm a Master, its crystal clear which of us is right!


I always suspected that things in Sheffield are a bit different....

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