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Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/21/2011 9:03:25 PM   
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This isn't really all that surprising with all the other right wing extremism out there. Proof positive that they want to destroy the Constitution.
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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/21/2011 9:17:14 PM   
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Voter ID laws ,read poll-tax voter suppression laws are the right wing extremism that`s trying to destroy the Constitution.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/392598/july-20-2011/voter-id-laws

A jaw dropping 44/1,000,000,000th of 1 percent voter fraud rate! WOW!

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/21/2011 9:22:53 PM   
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Wonder what happens when a city loses it's charter, and actually what makes it happen.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/21/2011 9:35:42 PM   
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Small town "leaders" with small dicks, are not "the big bad government"...







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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/21/2011 9:41:36 PM   
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http://www.fox16.com/news/story/Lawyers-say-Gould-ordinances-violate-Constitution/jqium_B2hkmo8NTLNcttdg.cspx


This isn't really all that surprising with all the other right wing extremism out there. Proof positive that they want to destroy the Constitution.


What an idiot post.  Judging by the Fairness Doctrine that is advanced by liberals, I would imagine the good, but ignorant, people of Gould are likely to be mostly democrats.  Its liberals that want to limit constitutional rights (which is what Obama Care does), not conservatives.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/21/2011 9:42:27 PM   
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. Proof positive that they want to destroy the Constitution.


Passing a law that turns out to violate the Constitution does not destroy it nor does it show intent to destroy it. Believe it or not, different lawyers have different readings of the Constitution. Thats why theres that little group called the SCOTUS. Hysteria gets you nowhwere.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 1:43:22 AM   
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. Proof positive that they want to destroy the Constitution.


Passing a law that turns out to violate the Constitution does not destroy it nor does it show intent to destroy it. Believe it or not, different lawyers have different readings of the Constitution. Thats why theres that little group called the SCOTUS. Hysteria gets you nowhwere.

Oh please, this city ordinance forbids the mayor from meeting with any group besides the city council. It violates 2 different parts of the 1st amendment. There is no doubt and no amount of John Yoo level legal opinions will change that.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 8:07:49 AM   
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Just a quick question. Does council have enough votes to override ? If not all the Mayor has to do is not sign it. Or am I missing something here ?

Now is there a possiblity of the Mayor taking it to court if passed ? How many times has something like that happened ? (don't answer that, oh hell someone will anyway)

But for any legislator in this country to even draft a law that prohibits certain people from meeting is abhorrent. The townspeople should tar and feather them. Ahhh, the good old days.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 9:08:27 AM   
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. Proof positive that they want to destroy the Constitution.


Passing a law that turns out to violate the Constitution does not destroy it nor does it show intent to destroy it. Believe it or not, different lawyers have different readings of the Constitution. Thats why theres that little group called the SCOTUS. Hysteria gets you nowhwere.

Oh please, this city ordinance forbids the mayor from meeting with any group besides the city council. It violates 2 different parts of the 1st amendment. There is no doubt and no amount of John Yoo level legal opinions will change that.


And what part of VIOLATING the Constitution DESTROYS the Constitution? Oh, none. Crawl back in your hole.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 9:16:20 AM   
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. Proof positive that they want to destroy the Constitution.


Passing a law that turns out to violate the Constitution does not destroy it nor does it show intent to destroy it. Believe it or not, different lawyers have different readings of the Constitution. Thats why theres that little group called the SCOTUS. Hysteria gets you nowhwere.

Oh please, this city ordinance forbids the mayor from meeting with any group besides the city council. It violates 2 different parts of the 1st amendment. There is no doubt and no amount of John Yoo level legal opinions will change that.


And what part of VIOLATING the Constitution DESTROYS the Constitution? Oh, none. Crawl back in your hole.

So you acknowledge you were wrong when you claimed the law wasn't clearly unconstitutional?

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 9:18:07 AM   
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. Proof positive that they want to destroy the Constitution.


Passing a law that turns out to violate the Constitution does not destroy it nor does it show intent to destroy it. Believe it or not, different lawyers have different readings of the Constitution. Thats why theres that little group called the SCOTUS. Hysteria gets you nowhwere.

Oh please, this city ordinance forbids the mayor from meeting with any group besides the city council. It violates 2 different parts of the 1st amendment. There is no doubt and no amount of John Yoo level legal opinions will change that.


And what part of VIOLATING the Constitution DESTROYS the Constitution? Oh, none. Crawl back in your hole.

So you acknowledge you were wrong when you claimed the law wasn't clearly unconstitutional?


Why would I acknowledge something I didnt say? Learn to read.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 9:23:37 AM   
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http://www.fox16.com/news/story/Lawyers-say-Gould-ordinances-violate-Constitution/jqium_B2hkmo8NTLNcttdg.cspx


This isn't really all that surprising with all the other right wing extremism out there. Proof positive that they want to destroy the Constitution.


What an idiot post.  Judging by the Fairness Doctrine that is advanced by liberals, I would imagine the good, but ignorant, people of Gould are likely to be mostly democrats.  Its liberals that want to limit constitutional rights (which is what Obama Care does), not conservatives.




Interesting tidbits about Gould here http://www.city-data.com/city/Gould-Arkansas.html

Here's some highlights.

85.8% black

zero crimes reported in 07 (the last year they had statistics for)

last presidential election, 58% of the town voted Republican.

Sorry locked

You're right about ignorance tho. 39% never graduated HS.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 9:33:04 AM   
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http://www.fox16.com/news/story/Lawyers-say-Gould-ordinances-violate-Constitution/jqium_B2hkmo8NTLNcttdg.cspx


This isn't really all that surprising with all the other right wing extremism out there. Proof positive that they want to destroy the Constitution.


What an idiot post.  Judging by the Fairness Doctrine that is advanced by liberals, I would imagine the good, but ignorant, people of Gould are likely to be mostly democrats.  Its liberals that want to limit constitutional rights (which is what Obama Care does), not conservatives.





Here's some highlights.

85.8% black


last presidential election, 58% of the town voted Republican.




Uhhhh, no. And you should have known those dont pass the smell test taken together. 58% of the COUNTY voted Republican. With 86% black locked is almost certainly correct that the majority are Democrat/liberal.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 9:35:58 AM   
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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 10:01:35 AM   
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Prove it wilbur. Are you saying they're liberal because they're black?


No, Im saying that there is an extremely low probability (easily less than 5%) that the majority voted for Obama unless there is some reason to believe they arent representative of all blacks. Now if you want to argue that voting for Obama doesnt mean they are liberal, you might have an argument, but Id bet that youd lose that argument.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 10:20:27 AM   
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Prove it wilbur. Are you saying they're liberal because they're black?


No, Im saying that there is an extremely low probability (easily less than 5%) that the majority voted for Obama unless there is some reason to believe they arent representative of all blacks. Now if you want to argue that voting for Obama doesnt mean they are liberal, you might have an argument, but Id bet that youd lose that argument.

You really are clueless. Do you know anything at all about the political leanings of the black population? A quick hint, investigate the anti gay marriage proposition that passed in 2008.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 11:19:32 AM   
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Prove it wilbur. Are you saying they're liberal because they're black?


No, Im saying that there is an extremely low probability (easily less than 5%) that the majority voted for Obama unless there is some reason to believe they arent representative of all blacks. Now if you want to argue that voting for Obama doesnt mean they are liberal, you might have an argument, but Id bet that youd lose that argument.

You really are clueless. Do you know anything at all about the political leanings of the black population? A quick hint, investigate the anti gay marriage proposition that passed in 2008.



ROFL. Apparently not only do I know more than you about the political leanings of the black population, I also know that a single issue doesnt prove fuckall about their overall leanings.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 11:22:31 AM   
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Prove it wilbur. Are you saying they're liberal because they're black?


No, Im saying that there is an extremely low probability (easily less than 5%) that the majority voted for Obama unless there is some reason to believe they arent representative of all blacks. Now if you want to argue that voting for Obama doesnt mean they are liberal, you might have an argument, but Id bet that youd lose that argument.


BTW this was worded poorly, Im surprised Kendoll didnt try another asinine semantic attack. It should read "(easily less than 5%) that the majority of the entire town voted for Obama unless there is some reason to believe its blacks arent representative of all blacks". Locks statement was about the entire town, not just the black population. BTW, the probability that less than 50% of the blacks voted for Obama is vanishingly small, under .003%.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 12:27:29 PM   
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Prove it wilbur. Are you saying they're liberal because they're black?


No, Im saying that there is an extremely low probability (easily less than 5%) that the majority voted for Obama unless there is some reason to believe they arent representative of all blacks. Now if you want to argue that voting for Obama doesnt mean they are liberal, you might have an argument, but Id bet that youd lose that argument.


No, I'm saying that people that vote for McCain as this county did are not liberal.
Im saying that a town that had a ZERO crime rate in '07 is probably pretty conservative.
You lump all people of one color into one group. Different communities are different no matter what color they are. This one appears to be uneducated but conservative based on the high percentage of those who never finished HS and the low crime rate.
At least noone can claim they were 'liberalized' in college.

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RE: Anti-American legislation in small AR town - 7/22/2011 12:28:28 PM   
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Anyone in that town who gives a shit about freedom needs to march into the council chambers, turn around, drop their pants, and give those shitheads a mass mooning! Accompanied, if they can manage it, by cordinated juicy farts that play out the tune "God Bless America."

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