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To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that only t... - 7/22/2011 5:48:13 AM   
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http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/392598/july-20-2011/voter-id-laws

To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that only the "right people" get elected, Republicans pass laws requiring voters to show government-issued photo IDs.

(Note - in Texas, students IDs would not count but gun licenses would.)
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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 6:04:07 AM   
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Great vid.

44/1,000,000,000th of 1 percent fraud rate.

Cons want to "protect" us from that?

More like a poll tax to make it harder for poor folks to vote.

Cons are allllll about freedom and liberty......riiiight.

Voter suppression is as voter suppression does.




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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 6:11:39 AM   
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Rather, to make that sure dead people dont vote. That leftist extremists dont vote four or five times...

In other words, to make sure elections arent rigged

But what can you expect from losers who get their news and information from assorted  comedians and clowns

The type of people who cant stand the thought of fair and honest elections

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/392598/july-20-2011/voter-id-laws

To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that only the "right people" get elected, Republicans pass laws requiring voters to show government-issued photo IDs.

(Note - in Texas, students IDs would not count but gun licenses would.)


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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 7:19:11 AM   
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Can you refute that there is a very tiny problem with voter fraud?

How many law abiding real voters are disenfranchised by these new Jim Crow measures?

When the democrats get back in power in 2012 their first order of business should be to stop states from disenfranchising their voters with laws that are not put into place to stop fraud, but put in place to stop voting by minorities and college students.

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 7:29:19 AM   
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Rather, to make that sure dead people dont vote. That leftist extremists dont vote four or five times...

In other words, to make sure elections arent rigged

But what can you expect from losers who get their news and information from assorted  comedians and clowns

The type of people who cant stand the thought of fair and honest elections

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/392598/july-20-2011/voter-id-laws

To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that only the "right people" get elected, Republicans pass laws requiring voters to show government-issued photo IDs.

(Note - in Texas, students IDs would not count but gun licenses would.)


Another uneducated post from an uneducated poster.


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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 7:36:08 AM   
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Yup, right above this one.

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 7:39:39 AM   
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Can you refute that there is a very tiny problem with voter fraud?

How many law abiding real voters are disenfranchised by these new Jim Crow measures?

When the democrats get back in power in 2012 their first order of business should be to stop states from disenfranchising their voters with laws that are not put into place to stop fraud, but put in place to stop voting by minorities and college students.


Can you refute that if 1 bogus vote is possible than thousands are? didnt think so. That allowing voting without having an ID is even considered indicates some very faulty thought processes or lack of respect for the integrity of the system.

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 7:42:28 AM   
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By your logic if I can demonstrate 1000s of disenfranchised then there must be millions of them

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 7:45:17 AM   
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By your logic if I can demonstrate 1000s of disenfranchised then there must be millions of them


Where do you see "must" in my post? Oh. You dont. Not only are you illogical, you cant read either.

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 7:56:53 AM   
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By your logic if I can demonstrate 1000s of disenfranchised then there must be millions of them


Where do you see "must" in my post? Oh. You dont. Not only are you illogical, you cant read either.


You are battling endless stupidity AND duplicity, Willbe.  Julia does not WANT valid voters to vote.  If only U.S. citizens voted.....once per election......liberalism would take a death blow in this country.  She doesn't want that.  Yes, you should be required to show your driver's license at the very least.  And the driver's license has to be from the state in which is having the election; none of this Pennsylvania, Maryland, No. Carolina and Michigan bullshit because those states, for awhile at least, gave out licenses to anyone.  Dozens and dozens of flooring vans up here with No. Carolina plates.  Not as much as there used to be because the Mayor's office took some heat and the police started pulling them over and writing tickets for touring privileges expired.  Anyway, to YOU it seems like common sense that you would want as little voter fraud in your country as possible.  You are a patriotic guy with conservative leanings and....hell....it just makes sense. Julia, SlaveMike, probably Mnottertail (i don't know) but Owner and Rule have ZERO interest in seeing elections without fraud.  It is the only way their socialist, unpatriotic, entitled, dependent agenda gets advanced.

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 7:59:05 AM   
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I have absolutely no problem with requiring government issued ID to vote...so long as government issued state ID's are provided free of charge to everyone eligible for one.

IIRC a state ID is about $25 or something. Requiring one basically boils down to the government charging $25 to vote. To most people, that's no big deal. To some people, that's a week worth of food.

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 7:59:31 AM   
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When voters are uneducated, is fraud really that big a problem ?

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 8:01:31 AM   
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Rather, to make that sure dead people dont vote. That leftist extremists dont vote four or five times...

In other words, to make sure elections arent rigged

But what can you expect from losers who get their news and information from assorted  comedians and clowns

The type of people who cant stand the thought of fair and honest elections

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/392598/july-20-2011/voter-id-laws

To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that only the "right people" get elected, Republicans pass laws requiring voters to show government-issued photo IDs.

(Note - in Texas, students IDs would not count but gun licenses would.)



Wrong again, but keep trying Sanity.

I have faith in you, you're going to get something right eventually.


Wisconsin GOP Voter Fraud Exposed


Remember all the snarky little comments from Republicans about Chicago politics, things like “dead men can vote in Chicago”. Well I guess dead men can recall Democrats in Wisconsin.

Bill Pocan, is the father of Democratic State Representative Mark Pocan from Wisconsin. Mark’s father passed away long ago, but that didn’t prevent him from signing a recall petition for Representative Pocan’s colleague, State Senator Bob Wirch of Kenosha. On page 362 of the Wirch recall petition, you will find the address and signature of Bill Pocan. The date this was signed was March 3rd.

Bill Pocan’s wife, Corinne Pocan said in an affidavit that there was no way that her husband could have signed the petition, he passed away 20 years ago.


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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 8:03:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Rather, to make that sure dead people dont vote. That leftist extremists dont vote four or five times...

In other words, to make sure elections arent rigged

But what can you expect from losers who get their news and information from assorted  comedians and clowns

The type of people who cant stand the thought of fair and honest elections

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/392598/july-20-2011/voter-id-laws

To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that only the "right people" get elected, Republicans pass laws requiring voters to show government-issued photo IDs.

(Note - in Texas, students IDs would not count but gun licenses would.)



Wrong again, but keep trying Sanity.

I have faith in you, you're going to get something right eventually.


Wisconsin GOP Voter Fraud Exposed


Remember all the snarky little comments from Republicans about Chicago politics, things like “dead men can vote in Chicago”. Well I guess dead men can recall Democrats in Wisconsin.

Bill Pocan, is the father of Democratic State Representative Mark Pocan from Wisconsin. Mark’s father passed away long ago, but that didn’t prevent him from signing a recall petition for Representative Pocan’s colleague, State Senator Bob Wirch of Kenosha. On page 362 of the Wirch recall petition, you will find the address and signature of Bill Pocan. The date this was signed was March 3rd.

Bill Pocan’s wife, Corinne Pocan said in an affidavit that there was no way that her husband could have signed the petition, he passed away 20 years ago.




You can do better than that, Rule.  What connects it to the GOP? 

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 8:04:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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Rather, to make that sure dead people dont vote. That leftist extremists dont vote four or five times...

In other words, to make sure elections arent rigged

But what can you expect from losers who get their news and information from assorted  comedians and clowns

The type of people who cant stand the thought of fair and honest elections

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/392598/july-20-2011/voter-id-laws

To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that only the "right people" get elected, Republicans pass laws requiring voters to show government-issued photo IDs.

(Note - in Texas, students IDs would not count but gun licenses would.)



Wrong again, but keep trying Sanity.

I have faith in you, you're going to get something right eventually.


Wisconsin GOP Voter Fraud Exposed


Remember all the snarky little comments from Republicans about Chicago politics, things like “dead men can vote in Chicago”. Well I guess dead men can recall Democrats in Wisconsin.

Bill Pocan, is the father of Democratic State Representative Mark Pocan from Wisconsin. Mark’s father passed away long ago, but that didn’t prevent him from signing a recall petition for Representative Pocan’s colleague, State Senator Bob Wirch of Kenosha. On page 362 of the Wirch recall petition, you will find the address and signature of Bill Pocan. The date this was signed was March 3rd.

Bill Pocan’s wife, Corinne Pocan said in an affidavit that there was no way that her husband could have signed the petition, he passed away 20 years ago.





Ahhh...but in Acorn posts they werent guilty of "voter fraud" because it was only registrations that they fraudulently submitted, not actual votes. But a petition that anyone on the street can sign amounts to voter fraud. Double standard, liberalism is thy name.

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 8:05:45 AM   
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The best(worst) line came from the tea-bagger who suggested one shouldn`t be allowed to vote if they weren`t property owners.

That`s neo-cons in a nutshell for ya.

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 8:06:17 AM   
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I have absolutely no problem with requiring government issued ID to vote...so long as government issued state ID's are provided free of charge to everyone eligible for one.

IIRC a state ID is about $25 or something. Requiring one basically boils down to the government charging $25 to vote. To most people, that's no big deal. To some people, that's a week worth of food.


I'm not necessarily sure you have to do that.  I think state of the art drivers licenses would suffice.  Now they have licenses with a hologram.  I would think that would do it.  I am opposed to having too many different types of ID.  A driver's license and a passport should be all any American needs. 

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 8:10:08 AM   
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The best(worst) line came from the tea-bagger who suggested one shouldn`t be allowed to vote if they weren`t property owners.

That`s neo-cons in a nutshell for ya.


That is the way it used to be, Owner; only those with a vested interest in the country should be the one's to dictate the direction the country goes in.  Property ownership was also tied to your 4th Amendment right to contest an illegal search.  If you didn't own the vehicle (for example) being searched, you didn't have standing to contest it.  It went far in the other direction in the 60's but it has since drifted back to the theory advanced in the Olmstead case.  I am opposed to having private property ownership be a condition precedent to voting especially since your cocksucker president is going to render private property ownership a thing of the past at the rate he is going; think "repeal mortgage interest deduction."  But a person should have to present a valid form of identification that proves they are a U.S. citizen.

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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 8:10:19 AM   
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I have absolutely no problem with requiring government issued ID to vote...so long as government issued state ID's are provided free of charge to everyone eligible for one.

IIRC a state ID is about $25 or something. Requiring one basically boils down to the government charging $25 to vote. To most people, that's no big deal. To some people, that's a week worth of food.


I'm not necessarily sure you have to do that.  I think state of the art drivers licenses would suffice.  Now they have licenses with a hologram.  I would think that would do it.  I am opposed to having too many different types of ID.  A driver's license and a passport should be all any American needs. 



Not everyone drives though. Since a SSN is required, a dual purpose Government ID that combines SS and voter ID would be the way to go. Dont have one? You cant work or vote.


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RE: To safeguard against voter fraud and ensure that on... - 7/22/2011 8:10:28 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

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I have absolutely no problem with requiring government issued ID to vote...so long as government issued state ID's are provided free of charge to everyone eligible for one.

IIRC a state ID is about $25 or something. Requiring one basically boils down to the government charging $25 to vote. To most people, that's no big deal. To some people, that's a week worth of food.


I'm not necessarily sure you have to do that.  I think state of the art drivers licenses would suffice.  Now they have licenses with a hologram.  I would think that would do it.  I am opposed to having too many different types of ID.  A driver's license and a passport should be all any American needs. 



You are aware that there are people who don't have a drivers licence, right? You know, those pesky blind people, or people in wheelchairs, or people with various disabilities that prevent them from driving...not to mention people who simply never learned how.

Either way though, that ignores my point. A passport costs way more than a state ID. If someone can't afford a state ID, I doubt they can afford a passport. A drivers licence costs about the same as a state ID but I don't think knowing how to drive is a requirement to vote.

My point, however, is that whatever the government issued ID required to vote is, it should be provided free of charge. A state ID is easiest to provide free of charge, because drivers licences and passports have other perks that people are willing to pay for, but state ID is simple identification.

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