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leadership527 -> RE: Much younger man (7/25/2011 6:56:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RqrCompanionS
Only, I don't know how to know that, without doing it, and, I do not know how to do it, if he is off being noble and out of touch.

It's a complicated problem no doubt, but I think you're over-complicating it.

Past Lover your still connected to:
This isn't that complicated. Either you have a spot in your heart for a new love or you do not. If you do not, then you really shouldn't be engaging with anyone. If you do, then the fact that you still love the previous person doesn't really change much.

New guy reminds you of old guy:
Sure sure, you COULD be pulling some elaborate subconscious substitution. On the other hand, you might just have consistent tastes.

he is attempting to do the honorable thing and avoid making me suffer alongside him as he dies from his illness.
My own impression is that this is about the farthest from "the honorable thing" that I can possibly imagine. I love Carol. Whether or not we were married she'd need a fucking restraining order to enforce that desire. Does it really feel "honorable" to you?

To be with someone, I have to know that this is a person where I could sit in the same room with the man I fell in love with before them, and, be glad that they are my lover and he is my friend. For their sake, as much as mine.
Is this really that uncommon of a trait? God knows that I would value ANY positive influence in Carol's life -- past lover or not. I would automatically like such a person... or at least they'd have about 10 positive votes before I ever met them.

Only, I don't know how to know that, without doing it, and, I do not know how to do it, if he is off being noble and out of touch.
In my opinion, you're looking for too much certainty in life. Even in a less complicated situation this sort of certainty never exists. Heck, I met Carol and we were a couple for about 2 years before we married. But even then, how could I possibly predict how that'd pan out in all it's particulars over the next 50 years? At some point, you just have to go with your best guesses. Sometimes you've looked enough and it's time to leap and just understand that if you crash to the ground you'll dust yourself off and move on... as will the other person.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: Much younger man (7/25/2011 7:53:53 AM)

The fact that you're still pining over a lover from a decade ago sounds a bit strange, but that's your business.

As far as the age difference goes, I don't put as much importance on age as some people do.  I've mentioned several times in the past that the best D/s relationship that I've ever had was with someone who was 18 years younger than me.  From an age standpoint, she could have been my daughter.  But she was intelligent, fun, sexy, and incredibly dominant.  In fact, to this day, she is still the most naturally dominant woman I have ever met in my life.

Finding someone that you truly connect with is hard.  Some people never find the connection that they seek.  When you take that into consideration, is it wise to throw away a potential match merely because of  a minor issue like age? If you're really interested in the guy, pursue it.  Even if it doesn't turn out to be permanent, isn't the short-term fulfillment worth experiencing?  It certainly sounds more desirable than holding onto 10 year old memories.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Much younger man (7/25/2011 5:58:30 PM)

I don't want to echo what Leadership said, but...

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ORIGINAL: RqrCompanionS

Now, understand, regardless of what you think, I am dealing with this from the perspective of a person who does not believe in having sex outside of marriage, who does not believe in marrying unless it is for love, and, who thinks that purposely leading people into lustful situations counts as sex. And, I believe he understands this, as well. Certainly, we have discussed it, more than once. Though, I am not sure he fully understands it, as, most people do not - not even the vanilla ones, not even the ones who claim to be Christian and attend religious meetings regularly, mostly.

Anyway, during the conversation, it was brought up that, of course, the logical alternative to him not serving me, because we are attracted to each other, is that we get to know each other better, see how that works out, and, if it works out well, get married and then he could serve me as my slave boy, including sexually, if that's something I wanted.


Your decisions on whether or not to have sexual involvement with someone is irrelevant only in so much as the person you would be involved in is ok with it. In other words, while some of us may not want to follow what you do, we aren't looking for a relationship with you. As long as whoever you are involved with doesn't care, it doesn't matter.


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The other thing is that, I fell madly in love with someone, once, and, I never fell out of love with them. This young man reminds me of the other slightly less young man. So, I worry that somewhere in my subconsciousness, I am simply trying to make a substitution. I mean, I know I like him as a person, but, maybe all the feelings that go beyond that are really still for someone else. And, I worry that this other person may some day come back into my life, and, if they do, what will happen then.

Mind you, I worry about it, because, it has happened before, but, I don't think it is going to happen again, because, he is attempting to do the honorable thing and avoid making me suffer alongside him as he dies from his illness. But, it has happened before, that I met someone, I began to enjoy their company to the point of thinking that maybe this would be alright and maybe I was over him, and, then, he showed back up and, with one little sentence, really just by his existence, upset the whole balance of my life, all over again. Not in a bad way, except, it is bad to wait and want, where there is a great unlikelihood of there being a furthering of the relationship.


The above screams "not over my other love!" To a certain extent when we lose someone we love (either by death or break up), there is a certain degree of "comparison" that will happen, initially. If we are truly ready to move on, then we come to care about the "new" person for themselves, not any similarity they have to a former love.

There is also the reality that we all tend to go for a "type." So this guy reminding you of the other guy is because he is the same "type."

As for the other guy being "honorable," I find that just more evidence that you aren't over him. If two people are truly in love, then they aren't going to be "honorable" and say "I'm going to go and die by myself." Add to that how he has left and returned before, and...well, there isn't much honorable about that.

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So, this is not about a rational choice, wherein I can say that Subject A is right for me because and Subject B should only be a friend because. This is about dealing with the fact that, about a decade ago, I met someone where this was this immediate connection, that never went away. There is no such thing, even if he is not physically in my life, as him ever not being a part of my life, as his existence colours mine.


His existence can color your life, but that is nothing like him being a "part of" your life. I realize it sounds harsh, but he isn't part of your life, and you can either accept that and move on, or you are going to continue to pine away for a lost love who has a habit of coming in to ruin any new relationships you have. Went through that with someone, and when I finally had enough, I realized that no matter how "connected" we are, no matter how much we were "soul mates," at the end of the day, I deserved and wanted a life free from wondering when the other shoe would drop.

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To be with someone, I have to know that this is a person where I could sit in the same room with the man I fell in love with before them, and, be glad that they are my lover and he is my friend. For their sake, as much as mine.

Only, I don't know how to know that, without doing it, and, I do not know how to do it, if he is off being noble and out of touch.

These are the thoughts swirling around in my head.


Well that is the point, isn't it? You don't know if someone is going to be a good fit in your life until they are actually IN your life. Know what? Sometimes it just doesn't work out even after you try.

Honestly, it would seem to me that you should not get involved with this guy. It isn't fair to him. Not because of his age or maturity. But because you aren't over your lost love, and to be honest, you seem to have a very deluded few of how relationships are supposed to develop that have nothing to do with when two people engage in sexual activities.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Much younger man (7/25/2011 6:10:01 PM)

In my experiences, and the friends I know who I discuss these things with, I have come to the conclusion that while sex might be only 10% of a relationship, it is a very important 10%. If that part doesn't work, the other 90% will crumble too.

I salute you for your beliefs and for following your conscience, but, IMHO, no relationship can survive without intimacy.

I hope you work this out and find your bliss.




PeonForHer -> RE: Much younger man (7/25/2011 6:28:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Disclaimer: I can't imagine an adult relationship without determining whether you're sexually compatible before marriage, unless you just mean 'no sex' means 'no vanilla penetrative sex'.

That being said: In praise of younger men:
I've never successfully dated anyone under 40.
Younger men can be lovely! The good ones I know are naturally far less sexist/racist/sizist, having been brought up in a less misogynistic world since they've grown up in a world with female doctors, lawyers, cops. They also tend to have excellent libidos and to be more open to trying new things sexually, to have healthier lifestyles, and frankly have less baggage, i.e., fewer ex-wives and kids. They also tend to be well-trained in wearing condoms/getting tested; older men, especially those with vasectomies, can be contagious sluts.



I agree, Tantriqu. Me, I've found that younger women tend to be less vinegary, stuffed-up and bad-tempered. They also tend to be much better in bed and, in general, more able to enjoy themselves. None of us should be worried about getting together with partners of very different ages!




MaamJay -> RE: Much younger man (7/26/2011 2:39:43 AM)

Age is but a number ... things in common, being able to talk about anything and everything and being willing to see things from each other's perspective is MUCH more important! Hubby 1 was 4 years older ... we lasted 15 years, grew to want different things from life, still friends. Hubby 2 was same age within 6 months ... we lasted 10 years but much rougher ride! ... still civil. Master is 15 years younger than me ... 7 years 24/7 in D/s ... going brilliantly, despite last 2 years in a caravan travelling Australia (and that can put a strain on any relationship!). i have more in common with Him than with either of the others. The comment earlier about not understanding pop references is true though and made me laugh, i am forever singing a bit of a song and getting a blank look but it's cool ... then i play it all for Him! So don't let the age thing put you off OP ... go forward and see where it all pans out! Life is a journey not a destination!

Ma'am Jay aka violet[A]




Daddysredhead -> RE: Much younger man (8/1/2011 10:48:50 PM)

I just wanted to say that I read part of this thread last week, and came back to finish it tonight. To the OP, I wish you well with whatever you decide as far as this relationship goes. I think I have to agree the majority of the people who responded with "try it and see," because you just never know. My younger man (YSG) already posted and brought my attention to this thread because I had some of the same "issues" as you, regarding older women with younger men. I have come to realize that having someone who loves me, trusts me, and respects me is more important that the difference in our ages.

I hope for the very best for your both...




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