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In the case we are discussing, just what political objective can you say the man actually hoped to accomplish with this action?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

short answer cuz I don't want to go into this at any lenght.

it controls the future as well as the present.  Kill the leaders you paralyze them today.

Kill the children and you paralyze them today while they deal with grief and you remove the Labor party future.

That would be the basic concept.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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In the case we are discussing, just what political objective can you say the man actually hoped to accomplish with this action?

I refer you to this point made by another poster

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

short answer cuz I don't want to go into this at any lenght.

it controls the future as well as the present.  Kill the leaders you paralyze them today.

Kill the children and you paralyze them today while they deal with grief and you remove the Labor party future.

That would be the basic concept.

When you strike at people's hearts, their children, you strike a deep psychological blow. As a parent I can tell you it would destroy any group of people psychologically to deal with such devastation... and it would warn others that their foes were willing to do anything to defeat them. In other words, if you join or support the labor party, your children are fair game...

I do not believe this guy acted alone....

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

It is surprising if it was a single man who did it, and the Police is not excluding the possibility that there might be another, however sadly enough it is possible for one man to do that level of damage, and in either case it do not seam to be the work of an organization tough there might have been two or three loons working together.

I wish you well

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

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At first the media did report that the cause was unknown. A few articles I saw including a lengthy one from the Guardian which many people regard as something of an apologist for Islam also followed that train of thought (the link I posted on another thread to one of their articles was radically edited last night!). Was it premature? Probably. Was it unjustified? I don't think so. Norway has been subject to a large number of threats from Islamic sources. I saw this article http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/02/28/terror-threat-now-more-serious/ which clearly identifies Islamic extremism as a serious threat. The perception that the attack was possibly from such a source is understandable especially after Norway was strongly tied to the Danish cartoons fiasco in 2006. This was partly the reason for the terrorist attacks in Sweden last Christmas too.

I do not see a problem with suspecting Islamic Fundamentalists, they have after all threatened us on several occasions. I mean if I Tom says to Lissy that he is going to track her down and hit her over the head with a baseball bat several times and then Lissy is found dead it is natural to suspect that Tom did it. What I find problematic is when some media all but went out and said that it was Islamic fundamentalists, not voicing suspicious but leveling accusations.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

It IS taken to a higher level.

The Labor Party used to have strong ties to the USSR, and it shows in their social structure, even now.

The Labor Party Youth, which was targetted, is an organization which fits right into that, and to a much larger extent than for the other parties.

Calling them liberal is like calling Satan a practicing Catholic.

A thoroughly disappointing thread.

Health,
al-Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

The attacks were rather too effective (in a sad way) to be pulled off by a single loon.

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This thing is absolutely weird and contradictory. If it had been an Islamic terrorist it would certainly had made a lot more sense, with his choice of targets. In a perverted way I am glad they caught him alive so we might find out of what his motivation was. This incident wakes the same feelings here in Scandinavia as the Oklahoma city bombing did in USA. We have always known the ultra wing is active here, but really seen them as a bunch of harmless clowns. That is obviously going to change now. This is also the biggest terror/criminal incident since WW2 in the whole of Scandinavia, so the chock is enormous here. I, as everybody else is watching the news carefully but in reality the police is saying very little.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Had a few people gotten hold of some guns there the outcome would have been considerably different.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Also, that being a summer camp wouldn't they have rifle and pistol ranges to teach the kids marksmanship?

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

To be honest, I don't think the political leanings of the targeted children has anything to do with the fact that what the person did was wrong and horrible on all levels.

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Btw Satan is a fallen angel in the Catholic mythology, Lucifer means "The Bright One"

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ORIGINAL: rockspider

This thing is absolutely weird and contradictory. If it had been an Islamic terrorist it would certainly had made a lot more sense, with his choice of targets. In a perverted way I am glad they caught him alive so we might find out of what his motivation was. This incident wakes the same feelings here in Scandinavia as the Oklahoma city bombing did in USA. We have always known the ultra wing is active here, but really seen them as a bunch of harmless clowns. That is obviously going to change now. This is also the biggest terror/criminal incident since WW2 in the whole of Scandinavia, so the chock is enormous here. I, as everybody else is watching the news carefully but in reality the police is saying very little.

I think you are on the right track here.  Ask the questions!   The attack seems to me as a mode of influencing some sort of political agenda.   Maybe the want airport scanners everywhere- because now blue eye blonds are dangerous terrorists.   For real?   Come on now.   All the world is a stage and this act is FOR SOME TYPE OF POLITICAL OUTCOME.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I do not believe this guy acted alone....

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Also, that being a summer camp wouldn't they have rifle and pistol ranges to teach the kids marksmanship?

Their party first instituted the policy of the "Broken Rifle".

They're some of the strongest advocates of gun control and gun bans in Norway.

Health,
al-Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
When you strike at people's hearts, their children, you strike a deep psychological blow. As a parent I can tell you it would destroy any group of people psychologically to deal with such devastation... and it would warn others that their foes were willing to do anything to defeat them. In other words, if you join or support the labor party, your children are fair game...

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
When you strike at people's hearts, their children, you strike a deep psychological blow. As a parent I can tell you it would destroy any group of people psychologically to deal with such devastation... and it would warn others that their foes were willing to do anything to defeat them. In other words, if you join or support the labor party, your children are fair game...

One of the reasons I become very much "pro-choice" stems from the fact that, if my daughter had not been late for her doctor's appointment for her annual general check-up, she would have been in the doctor's office when "pro-life" terrorist John Salvi came in and shot several people because he had been told the doctor performed legal abortions. John Salvi

To the "pro-life" movement, my daughter's death would have been "necessary collateral damage". The "pro-life" movement struck at this parent's heart that day in December 1994 - and I will never forget. Even today, I would never be armed in the presence of a "pro-lifer" - because I'd be inclined to gut-shoot them so they died a slow, painful death.

I am sure that there are a few Norwegian parents who would like to shoot this terrorist - and other Norwegian Right-Wingers like him. It would be wrong - but I would understand if they did.

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
When you strike at people's hearts, their children, you strike a deep psychological blow. As a parent I can tell you it would destroy any group of people psychologically to deal with such devastation... and it would warn others that their foes were willing to do anything to defeat them. In other words, if you join or support the labor party, your children are fair game...

One of the reasons I become very much "pro-choice" stems from the fact that, if my daughter had not been late for her doctor's appointment for her annual general check-up, she would have been in the doctor's office when "pro-life" terrorist John Salvi came in and shot several people because he had been told the doctor performed legal abortions. John Salvi

To the "pro-life" movement, my daughter's death would have been "necessary collateral damage". The "pro-life" movement struck at this parent's heart that day in December 1994 - and I will never forget. Even today, I would never be armed in the presence of a "pro-lifer" - because I'd be inclined to gut-shoot them so they died a slow, painful death.

I am sure that there are a few Norwegian parents who would like to shoot this terrorist - and other Norwegian Right-Wingers like him. It would be wrong - but I would understand if they did.