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rawtape -> Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 4:15:53 PM)
We've seen a couple of currently locked threads where people jumped to conclusions about whether the attacks were performed by Muslims and whether such premature judgments were valid. I think, given similar attitudes and a very similar rush to judgment on the part of the media (as articulated by Salon's Glenn Greenwald in this article), I am inclined to cut people some slack. Note that I am not suggesting that people should be absolved for rushing to erroneous conclusions. But, living immersed in an environment where the media itself is susceptible to similar bias, one can at least begin to understand the reasons behind it. And if anyone is interested in how the initial notion that Muslims were behind it spread (at least, in the media), here's a fairly decent analysis.

TheHeretic -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 4:34:59 PM)
Rushing to judgement is one of those human things, that gets turned into another one of those partisan things. Recall the leaps about the Tucson attack.

Rule -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 4:38:15 PM)
One cannot believe anything in the news. What's new? Just look at the black ops news item claiming that the Iraqi invaders had stolen the baby incubators from a Kuwaiti hospital; it was a lie.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 4:56:56 PM)
I dont recall anyone jumping to conclusions, just commenting on likelihood. My odds were 3:1, and I think a 75% chance that any terrorist attack in Norway is still pretty reasonable.

Politesub53 -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 5:00:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy I dont recall anyone jumping to conclusions, just commenting on likelihood. Well you would say that, wouldnt you. ABM sure jumped to a swift conlusion and you were not far behind.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 5:01:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy I dont recall anyone jumping to conclusions, just commenting on likelihood. Well you would say that, wouldnt you. ABM sure jumped to a swift conlusion and you were not far behind. I dont know what ABM did, but I didnt jump to any conclusion.

Musicmystery -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 5:03:39 PM)
Right. He only MOSTLY jumped to a conclusion. --Miracle Max

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 5:14:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Right. He only MOSTLY jumped to a conclusion. --Miracle Max oxymoron

popeye1250 -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 5:19:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rawtape We've seen a couple of currently locked threads where people jumped to conclusions about whether the attacks were performed by Muslims and whether such premature judgments were valid. I think, given similar attitudes and a very similar rush to judgment on the part of the media (as articulated by Salon's Glenn Greenwald in this article), I am inclined to cut people some slack. Note that I am not suggesting that people should be absolved for rushing to erroneous conclusions. But, living immersed in an environment where the media itself is susceptible to similar bias, one can at least begin to understand the reasons behind it. And if anyone is interested in how the initial notion that Muslims were behind it spread (at least, in the media), here's a fairly decent analysis. Muslims? Hell in Yahoo News the Wacko Lefties were saying it was "Israel" and "the Mossad" that did it! And that was maybe a half hour after it hit the wires! It's just common sense to reserve judgement about things like this until the facts come out. A "similar attack" doesn't mean similar people. P.S. I'm just waiting for the Lefties to try to blame this on "global warming" or some other such nonsense, it's just a matter of time "The blue-eyed blond males of Northern climes brains are being overheated by global warming." Boy, for some reason if you have blue eyes and blond hair you're persona non grata with the lefties! "Honey! STILL no invites for cocktail parties for the sympathetic this week?"

Lucylastic -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 5:21:29 PM)
offering 3.1 odds wasnt jumping to anything LMFAO, nah a gentle bet... so appropriate. and telling

Real0ne -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/23/2011 5:28:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Muslims? Hell in Yahoo News the Wacko Lefties were saying it was "Israel" and "the Mossad" that did it! And that was maybe a half hour after it hit the wires! It's just common sense to reserve judgement about things like this until the facts come out. A "similar attack" doesn't mean similar people. its nice to see that some are wising up and pointing the finger at the most likely candidates that commit acts of terror. gubbermints at large. its a good sign of needed remidial cleanup around the corner quote: Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses Evil minds that plot destruction Sorcerers of death's construction In the fields the bodies burning As the war machine keeps turning Death and hatred to mankind Poisoning their brainwashed minds Oh lord yeah! Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor Time will tell on their power minds Making war just for fun Treating people just like pawns in chess Wait 'til their judgement day comes Yeah! Now in darkness world stops turning Ashes where the bodies burning No more war pigs have the power Hand of God has struck the hour Day of judgement, God is calling On their knees the war pig's crawling Begging mercy for their sins Satan laughing spreads his wings Oh lord yeah!

joether -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/24/2011 12:10:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy I dont recall anyone jumping to conclusions, just commenting on likelihood. Well you would say that, wouldnt you. ABM sure jumped to a swift conlusion and you were not far behind. I dont know what ABM did, but I didnt jump to any conclusion. You most CERTIANLY knew what ABM was talking about, since you more or less posted multiple times on the same thread. Need a hint? Check out the thread "Question to "moderate" muslims and their fellow travellers:" for post #7 and # 21. Then come back and try to tell all of us with a straight face that you never jumped to any conclusions. Those two posts took place before any solid information about the person was given.

imperatrixx -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/24/2011 12:16:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy I dont recall anyone jumping to conclusions, just commenting on likelihood. My odds were 3:1, and I think a 75% chance that any terrorist attack in Norway is still pretty reasonable. Well how does it feel to know that what you consider reasonable is incorrect?

popeye1250 -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/24/2011 12:48:55 AM)
In this day and age it's just natural to think that some Islamist terror group did it, that's their modus operandi. That's what they do. That's what I thought at first but until more info came out and everyone had a good idea who did it I kept my thoughts to myself. Who in here right after this happened thought; "Those godamn Bloods and Crips!"

tweakabelle -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/24/2011 12:56:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic offering 3.1 odds wasnt jumping to anything LMFAO, nah a gentle bet... so appropriate. and telling 3:1 odds are only a 75% probability. So, it was only "75%" jumping to conclusions Lucy. In case you're wondering where the other 25% was - it had already arrived at the conclusion, so no jumping was needed.

nephandi -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/24/2011 1:08:46 AM)
Greetings Most medias I have watched and listened to did not jump to conclusions, however allot of media did speculate on the possibility that it was Islamic terrorists. Now I do not see this as wrong as there have been threats towards Norway from such sources. If somone threaten you do you not suspect them if something bad happen. Jumping to a conclusion however is something else entirely. I wish you well

philosophy -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/24/2011 1:10:39 AM)
"In this day and age it's just natural to think that some Islamist terror group did it, that's their modus operandi." .....er....no? ETA is closer to Norway than Iran. They have terrorists there, active one. Why didn't they cross anyone's mind? Ulster is closer still, and while the organised terror organisations there have laid down their arms, there are still a few wackjobs. Why didn't that cross your mind, Pops? Islamic terrorism is not the be all and end all of terrorism. Indeed, in the US House of Representatives you have a man that thinks the wikileaks thing was terrorism, but that IRA activities were not. Peter King. In that climate, isnt it rather predictable that people are really confused as to what terrorism actually is, and who perpetrates it?

philosophy -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/24/2011 1:36:32 AM)
It would appear that not all the media reckoned it was Islamic terrorism...... http://starseedhotline.ning.com/forum/topics/terror-attacks-in-norway?commentId=4567939:Comment:33613&xg_source=activity ....apparently the Illuminati did it.

tweakabelle -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/24/2011 2:00:39 AM)
quote: Popeye In this day and age it's just natural to think that some Islamist terror group did it Sorry to tell you pops, but if that kind of thinking comes "naturally" to you, then you're a naturally incorrect thinker. While that's a pretty good excuse for holding the views you do, it's not a good excuse to hold on those thoughts any more ..... and it does indicate the absolutely necessity of some changes. So I'm looking forward to a complete re-thinking of your views by you. If you need some tips on incisive accurate political thinking and analysis, please feel free to PM me. I'll be only too glad to help you out.

popeye1250 -> RE: Media and the Oslo attacks (7/24/2011 2:09:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy "In this day and age it's just natural to think that some Islamist terror group did it, that's their modus operandi." .....er....no? ETA is closer to Norway than Iran. They have terrorists there, active one. Why didn't they cross anyone's mind? Ulster is closer still, and while the organised terror organisations there have laid down their arms, there are still a few wackjobs. Why didn't that cross your mind, Pops? Islamic terrorism is not the be all and end all of terrorism. Indeed, in the US House of Representatives you have a man that thinks the wikileaks thing was terrorism, but that IRA activities were not. Peter King. In that climate, isnt it rather predictable that people are really confused as to what terrorism actually is, and who perpetrates it? Ah,.....because I've never heard of the "ETA?" Ah,..... because the Irish and Norwegians are friends and the IRA or whoever's "active" there now have no reason to kill Norwegians? Oh silly me! It could have been some Basque seperatists all liquored up on port wine; "Hey Christo! Let's go up to Norway and go "VIKING" on those bastards!"

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