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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 10:57:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the only people that will be truly affected by her death are the ones
that directly benefitted from her notoriety. Record labels, tabloids, etc.

I find her death to be a selfish and reckless act. There are far too many people
fighting their own private war just to live another day, or a few hours more.
And while they don’t have the spotlight shining on them, nor the resources to
improve the quality of the remainder of their days, there isn’t a minute that
goes by that they allow to be wasted. Fame and fortune does not equal living.

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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 11:47:59 AM   
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How does it make you feel?
It makes me angry. They have more than I will ever have in my whole life, and they throw it away trying to be Keith Richards. It's a waste. Not a waste of talent, but a waste of success.

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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 11:59:50 AM   
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it means when I'm counselling some young teen who thinks that getting drunk and stoned is 'ok' and any negative health effects won't hit until you're a pensioner, I can say "I bet Amy Winehouse used to say that too".

Harsh maybe, but perhaps it will mean her death isn't totally meaningless.
I used celebrity when counseling kids with eating disorders. You and i can see the connection, but many teens have an invincibility complex and damn, are they experts at justifying their actions.



The thing is, being told that the things I was doing might kill me never ever made me want to stop doing them. Because when I was doing that shit, my life was a living hell & dying just meant that all that would be over. Why would I care if that shit killed me? What actually got me to quit was having to LIVE with the consequences of my doing drugs & alcohol & tobacco. Having to live like the drunks I saw every day; having to live feeling as though I was suffocating from the lung damage. That's the skeery part!!!

So when you use an example of someone who died like this, I doubt very much if the death will scare them into stopping. Show them people who are alive & living with the consequences of their behavior instead. That will be much more helpful, IMO.

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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 12:05:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only effect that I can say it has on Me is that it does invoke sympathy in Me for her family.  They are grieving and with a situation like that, they didn't have any control over it.  They still lost somebody that they care for.  We all know what that's like, so I have empathy for them.

A few years back, I was listening to a talk radio program one morning on the way to work (Lex and Terry, for anyone who knows the show) and the Michael Vick scandal was the talk of the day.  I have to admit that what was said kind of stuck with Me.  To paraphrase, it goes something like this.

I don't understand why somebody who has made it big would make the choices that they do.  Some folks are literally living their dream.  Then, they do this amazingly stupid stuff that people just don't understand.  They are being paid to play a game.  (Football in that case.  Music in this.)  We'll never get why they commit crimes or ruin their lives with drugs or whatever it is that takes them down.  You'd think they'd make different choices, but they don't.  Then we're all just shocked that they destroy themselves. 




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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 12:25:55 PM   
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I don't understand why somebody who has made it big would make the choices that they do.  Some folks are literally living their dream.  Then, they do this amazingly stupid stuff that people just don't understand.  They are being paid to play a game.  (Football in that case.  Music in this.)  We'll never get why they commit crimes or ruin their lives with drugs or whatever it is that takes them down.  You'd think they'd make different choices, but they don't.  Then we're all just shocked that they destroy themselves. 





I think that the thing that people don't realize is that this is a human being, with all their problems & quirks & foibles; money & fame don't make those things go away. For me, it wouldn't have mattered if I had had everything material that I thought that I wanted; I'd still have been doing the things that I did. I have no idea why I didn't die from my choices back then. One of the things that I loved to do was to mix barbiturates with narcotics & alcohol. And I didn't do these things because I was miserable about not being rich & famous.

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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 12:53:18 PM   
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How does it make you feel?

Well obviously, the first thing I feel is sad for the loss her family is going through. It's always sad whenever anyone finally gives up all hope to the point of overdose/suicide/fill in the blank.

The next thing I feel is total empathy with her for her addiction. I was once a junkie and I still look back in amazement at how I made it through and out the other side without overdosing, going to prison for a long stretch or some other horrible end. I've remarked to Master on more than one occasion that I can't imagine what it must be like to be a junkie AND to have lots of money/be famous. Half the struggle for me was getting the money to get high and then getting the stuff from a dealer on a regular basis. To imagine having an unlimited supply of money and people bringing the very drug you're addicted to to you - it would be like there'd be no way out. With no struggles to get an unlimited supply, it would be easy to go over the edge, I'd imagine.

Lastly, I feel the loss of her talent. Yeah, she was not showing much talent lately but when she first came out and was at her best, that girl's voice gave me goosebumps. It's a sad, sad thing to lose anyone - esp. anyone that young - but to lose her talent too makes it even more sad.........luci



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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 5:13:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		This may sound bad, but it doesn't affect me much. People die every day, and their lives are worth no less than hers for not being famous. i had never heard of her until now. And it sounds like she died as the result of her own choices, and not some freak accident or some crazy fucker with a gun. The truth is even those tragedies affect me less than they used to. As i get older i'm becoming more and more acclimatised to death and violence.

i'm sorry she died. But the fact that she was rich and famous does NOT make her death any more tragic.

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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 5:15:07 PM   
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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 5:35:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: poise

I think the only people that will be truly affected by her death are the ones
that directly benefitted from her notoriety. Record labels, tabloids, etc.

I find her death to be a selfish and reckless act. There are far too many people
fighting their own private war just to live another day, or a few hours more.
And while they don’t have the spotlight shining on them, nor the resources to
improve the quality of the remainder of their days, there isn’t a minute that
goes by that they allow to be wasted. Fame and fortune does not equal living.


THIS! So QFT!


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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 6:05:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		i tell you what (because i think my indifference here might be related to the fact that i've never heard of her). Let's take Michael Jackson. i DID feel a tremendous sense of loss when he died. Not only for the loss of raw talent and shared cultural experience (i spent my childhood listening to Michael Jackson), but also because his death was the final stop on this wreck of a life that could have turned out so much better. i feel the same thing looking at the feral cats in the shelter. i see potential WASTED, and turned to pain and disfunction.

Maybe that's what others feel about Amy Winehouse's death. Maybe i would feel differently if i knew more about her.

pam

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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 6:35:20 PM   
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The Amy Winehouse death made me think of those people who have achieved money, fame, status - the things that I want and that I think I need to make my life complete - and who have not achieved fulfillment and contentment.  It always amazes me and saddens me when someone who "has it all" loses it.

How does it make you feel?



It makes me feel amazed that Steven doesn't think He has money, fame, or status.

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RE: How does it affect you? - 7/24/2011 9:59:41 PM   
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I think it's tragic, that someone with so much potential was so afflicted with addiction she couldn't see what she had.  Until someone finds inner fulfillment, all the money and fame won't mean a damn to them.  Until someone can care about him/herself enough to make good choices and find inner peace - to actually honor him/herself - all the fame and fortune in the world means squat.  You can bet your ass I don't envy that.  I like where my life is now, because it's spiritually, mentally and emotionally in a really good place.

Addiction runs in my family.  I almost lost my brother to it, more than once.  I am grateful every day for his fight for recovery, because he is an amazing and gifted human being, who has touched many lives.  But for a long time, he hated himself too much for fight for himself.

And I find that (in anyone) to be a tragedy.  I *am* affected, because it saddens me when people are so lost they can't fight for themselves.  I've been there before - not due to addiction, but for other reasons. 

Rest in Peace, Amy.


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