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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/26/2011 4:19:57 AM

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That's quite a big assumption, at present: his claims that he was part of an Organisation (a la Andrew MacDonald) don't seem to have been supported by the Norwegian police investigation of his supposed firm as yet.

Bear in mind that the last Norwegian dickhead to get press attention in the 'States for murder also claimed to be the spokesman for a vast network of true aryans. And turned out to be so full of shit that he squelches as he walks.

Admittedly, I am presenting a hypothetical.

However, for purposes of discussion, should an American found to be a member/supporter of Breivik's "Knights Templar" be treated in the same manner as an American supporter of al - Queda, or should he receive kinder, gentler treatment because he is a "Christian terrorist" and not a "Moslem terrorist"?

As far as I am concerned they should be. A terrorist is a terrorist and I really don't care what religion they are fighting for.

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/26/2011 5:32:11 AM

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For one thing, he has had the discipline to set goals and attain them since childhood. Also, he stayed below the radar of the intelligence service entirely (we've had a department of homeland security for decades, and it's actually been doing its job, indeed a bit too well at times). It has been voiced that even Stasi wouldn't have been able to pick up on his activities until it was too late.

That would fit the profile of the standard, lone, mass killer. Introverted, keeping himself to himself. No doubt very hard indeed to pick up on.

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/27/2011 5:25:21 AM

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Quite. If the authorities started targeting that profile they'd end up arresting a lot more Trekkies and comics nerds than terrorists or serial killers, wouldn't they?

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/28/2011 3:59:31 PM

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So Many thoughts on this!

Yes he should be treated as any other terrorist/politically motivated killer.

I am not so sure he is connected with any group, there are different reasons for declaring he has connections.

1/ He is not connected to anyone but wants to look like he has support and increase fear.
2/ He has support and wants to increase fear and rally other likeminded people of which there would be many.
3/ He allowed himself to be captured which means he is was not willing to allow others to tell his story, he wants to do it himself.

I am not excusing what this man did at all. But Political Correctness created this to a large degree. PC which I hate, stops people who oppose Left Wing ideas from speaking their minds and putting their points across and it has led to this man feeling very alienated and he has as we have seen he has "snapped".

So more to the point, what if he is telling the truth? Then we may start seeing more attacks throughout Europe and other Western Countries, similar to what we saw with the IRA in Ireland or what we see now with Al Qaeida/Taliban in Muslim Countries. Great huh?

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/28/2011 5:14:05 PM

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I cant have that political correctness caused mass murder. Evil or insanity may have done so, not political correctness though.

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/28/2011 5:36:37 PM

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If he snapped because of political correctness and intolerance of left wingers, he needs to hide himself away, he isnt fit for human habitation, get over yourself, left wingers, democrats and liberals have fought for and alongside many groups for their acceptance by the "establishment" now right wingers(establishment) are finding out they dont have a cushion of hate anymore they think they can just go out and exterminate PC and left leaning people? No one is denying them a voice, its just got to be heard with ALL voices, you cant get your own way all the time, thats princess entitlement.
what world so you want to live in?
Humans are sick fucks, to blame it on one political side is truly imbecilic.
you do have a voice , but you just dont know how to make arguments, unless its at the end of a gun. Take a guess at who is wrong....it aint me

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/28/2011 7:01:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I cant have that political correctness caused mass murder. Evil or insanity may have done so, not political correctness though.

Tell that to Nadal Hassan's victims. A massacre that would not have happened without political correctness.

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/28/2011 7:13:48 PM

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Oh my goodness! 'Political correctness' causes mass murder!

Excuse me! What planet are you on? Has there been a sillier claim from the Right than this little doozey? Talking about minority groups with respect rather than hate causes mass murder .... Please tell me you meant it as a joke!

What does the Right have against talking about people with respect? What's objectionable about that? Why do people insist on the 'right' to denigrate people? Why does the Right need to denigrate others in the first place?

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/28/2011 7:19:59 PM

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Oh my goodness! 'Political correctness' causes mass murder!

Excuse me! What planet are you on? Has there been a sillier claim from the Right than this little doozey? Talking about minority groups with respect rather than hate causes mass murder .... Please tell me you meant it as a joke!

What does the Right have against talking about people with respect? What's objectionable about that? Why do people insist on the 'right' to denigrate people? Why does the Right need to denigrate others in the first place?

Why dont you have the intellectual wherewithall to actually address what I said, instead of making up your own words?

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/28/2011 8:22:44 PM

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Oppression can cause mass murder. Oppressing a group with controversial views is one example. And it's a quite applicable example. Indeed, it seems that not being able to publish his manifesto because of concerns about its reception may have been the last straw. Which is not to say that I support his ideas, just that I think it's foolish to dismiss an investigation into cause and effect with handwaving about evil and insanity. Particularly when there is no evidence of insanity, and some indication that the perpetrator feels remorse for his actions and considers those actions a "necessary evil" in order to prevent a "greater evil". He seems to have his facts all wrong, but pushing him into isolation and detachment to be politically correct was probably not the wisest course of action.

We denied him the opportunity to interact with anything but extremists in regard to his perception of the truth, and so it grew increasingly skewed over time.

Bear in mind that when what you think is true demands violent action, it would be a moral flaw not to act.

If people hadn't acted violently on their beliefs, there would be no USA, no humanism, and so on.

Which doesn't change that I'm all for locking him up. Vae victis or not.

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/28/2011 9:10:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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Oh my goodness! 'Political correctness' causes mass murder!

Excuse me! What planet are you on? Has there been a sillier claim from the Right than this little doozey? Talking about minority groups with respect rather than hate causes mass murder .... Please tell me you meant it as a joke!

What does the Right have against talking about people with respect? What's objectionable about that? Why do people insist on the 'right' to denigrate people? Why does the Right need to denigrate others in the first place?

Why dont you have the intellectual wherewithall to actually address what I said, instead of making up your own words?

That particular post was in response to Little Rooster's effort: "I am not excusing what this man did at all. But Political Correctness created this to a large degree' in post #24. In this instance, Willbur, there's no need for you to feel so defensive or guilty. Sadly that's not always the case ......

Elsewhere I have specifically addressed exactly what you said. To wit, your false accusations, and disproved your nasty allegations against me.* I'm still waiting for you to apologise ....... as people can see for themselves at the link below.

* http://www.collarchat.com/m_3780842/mpage_5/tm.htm#3787922

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/28/2011 11:38:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

That particular post was in response to Little Rooster's effort: "I am not excusing what this man did at all. But Political Correctness created this to a large degree' in post #24. In this instance, Willbur, there's no need for you to feel so defensive or guilty. Sadly that's not always the case ......

Then try actually respoding to the post youre referring to, instead of someone elses. Need lessons in that, like you do in truth telling?

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/29/2011 12:18:07 AM

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Willbur darling have I complimented you on your choice of avatar?

I think it was very kind (and brave) of you to pick such a revealing image. New readers will be spared the agony of enduring your posts before becoming aware of your mental condition. Thanks to your consideration, a single glance at your avatar will alert them. So thoughtful of you to think of them and spare them any possible embarrassment.

And I'm convinced that goofy smile and simpleton expression is pure you Willbur.

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/29/2011 2:36:30 AM

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I cant have that political correctness caused mass murder. Evil or insanity may have done so, not political correctness though.

Typical Leftie response. But THINK Deeper. PC makes it impossible to express opposition to certain ideas and Leftist diatribe. If it weren't for this factor this man would have been able to be more vocal about his concerns and perhaps not been so alienated and jaded. Imagine if everything changed and all of a sudden the Political poles shifted and we were no longer able to talk about kink or perhaps something else that you feel deeply for and care about? It would have an impact on you to live your life in secret, not being able to get things off your chest.

This man was troubled and not being able to express himself openly added to his sense of confusion and isolation.

But nah, it's easier just to rant "Racist!" and sweep it all away isn't it.

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/29/2011 2:47:44 AM

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where did he call racist?
You are giving excuses to a poor misunderstood soul, who cant let his feelings show so he goes out and kills children
could you be anymore truly arrogant, you wouldnt buy that from anyone else, I sure as hell wouldnt even try to use that as an excuse.
Where has his "freedom of expression been curtailed, what in particular caused such anger and the feeling of alienation and jadedness? what entitles him to act on those feelings, or is this just what you "think", is it what you would use to justify shooting and bombing just under a hundred people???
and its all down to what?? someone upset over not being allowed( imprisoned and whipped even) to fuel his hate?
If you feel this way, get some help dood, you are a timebomb waiting to go off

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/29/2011 3:17:52 AM

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Tell that to Nadal Hassan's victims. A massacre that would not have happened without political correctness.

While I usually try hard not to correct your exceptional brilliance, his name is Nidal Hasan.

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/29/2011 4:07:27 AM

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where did he call racist?
You are giving excuses to a poor misunderstood soul, who cant let his feelings show so he goes out and kills children
could you be anymore truly arrogant, you wouldnt buy that from anyone else, I sure as hell wouldnt even try to use that as an excuse.
Where has his "freedom of expression been curtailed, what in particular caused such anger and the feeling of alienation and jadedness? what entitles him to act on those feelings, or is this just what you "think", is it what you would use to justify shooting and bombing just under a hundred people???
and its all down to what?? someone upset over not being allowed( imprisoned and whipped even) to fuel his hate?
If you feel this way, get some help dood, you are a timebomb waiting to go off

"Racist" is one of the many terms used by the PC Elite to try and silence people. That is why I used the term. How do you know he didn't try and express his feelings and thoughts? Look at this thread, whenever someone tries to speculate on the topic in a calm and rational manner they get responses like yours which contain personal attacks and insults not to mention assumptions!

But I actually do Thank You for highlighting and proving my point all the same, Freedom of Speech and Democracy only exist for some.

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/29/2011 5:14:12 AM

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Your first post read(and Ive put my comments in red)

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ORIGINAL: LittleRooster
Typical Leftie response. He is in fact a conservative, but go ahead keep making assumptions

But THINK Deeper. PC makes it impossible to express opposition to certain ideas and Leftist diatribe.2nd assumption busted, I dont know anyone who is afraid to spout their feelings, and certainly not for fear of being arrested, do you have some sort of verification of that?

If it weren't for this factor this man would have been able to be more vocal about his concerns and perhaps not been so alienated and jaded.apart from your particular thinking, do you have anything to even say this was part of his anger?oh no another assumption?

Imagine if everything changed and all of a sudden the Political poles shifted and we were no longer able to talk about kink or perhaps something else that you feel deeply for and care about? It would have an impact on you to live your life in secret, not being able to get things off your chest. Yes, I find the laws against abortion are wrong, and I do everything I can to fight for the right of ALL WOMEN over their own birth control..I do not go out and shoot anyone who "dare" disagree with what I believe.

This man was troubled and not being able to express himself openly added to his sense of confusion and isolation.
DO you feel sorry for the lone terrorist just been caught planning an attack at the fort hood army base? because he was "bullied and was troubled about his religious harrassment?" I bet not.

But nah, it's easier just to rant "Racist!" and sweep it all away isn't it.

THen you say in response to my post.....

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ORIGINAL: LittleRooster
"Racist" is one of the many terms used by the PC Elite to try and silence people. That is why I used the term.
No one called racist here, dont put it onto every leftie... YOU are proving your own point, YOU are putting words and assumptions on all lefties not me..
LOL How do you know he didn't try and express his feelings and thoughts? Look at this thread, whenever someone tries to speculate on the topic in a calm and rational manner they get responses like yours which contain personal attacks and insults not to mention assumptions!
If you think I attacked you dear, you need to get a thicker skin.
By the way, please take the sentences ending in a ? as a question, not an assumption.

But I actually do Thank You for highlighting and proving my point all the same, Freedom of Speech and Democracy only exist for some.
I havent curtailed or denied your speech or your idea of democracy, I disagreed with it. there is a huge difference, you mght want to learn them.

Carry on now!
BTW welcome to the boards

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/29/2011 6:01:27 AM

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no point in attempting to have an intelligent conversation on here. I don't appreciate being attacked either regardless of how you are trying to spin it.

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RE: What if the Norwegian Right-wing terrorist is telli... - 7/29/2011 6:03:14 AM

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