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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 9:17:40 AM

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Was the guy's sentence lighter because he pled guilty?

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 9:23:03 AM

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that I don't know gungadin. Unfortunately the drunk driver who killed my husband only got two years and was out in a year. It seems as though drunk drivers just aren't prosecuted fairly imo.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 9:24:42 AM

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That's fucking bullshit. Sorry to hear that.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 9:41:39 AM

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An update to this story. She has received probation

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mother-boy-killed-hit-run-driver-probation-community/story?id=14158040

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 10:11:37 AM

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Mom sentenced and offered new trial

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A petition requesting leniency posted on change.org had garnered more than 116,000 signatures as of 10 p.m. Monday.

I find it interesting that only one of change.org's recent victories had more signatures. I guess people really related to the jaywalking case.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 3:46:59 PM

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She was just on the news here, and I gotta say, something just didn't set right with me about her. They also just said that her attorney has confirmed that she will seek a new trial.

Something just aint right about all of this. She was just a bit too upbeat or something for me. I may be wrong. Time will tell, it always does, but I have a feeling she will regret going for another trial.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 4:30:32 PM

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She was just on the news here, and I gotta say, something just didn't set right with me about her. They also just said that her attorney has confirmed that she will seek a new trial.

Something just aint right about all of this. She was just a bit too upbeat or something for me. I may be wrong. Time will tell, it always does, but I have a feeling she will regret going for another trial.

My impression of the lady is that this is more about her and not about the little boy who was killed. Sad. Not much risk in asking for a new trial. If she's convicted again she's still likely not to get jail time so she's no worse off. Maybe she'll score another appearance on the Today show. If there is anything good to come out of this maybe someone else seeing this play out will reconsider their highway crossing strategies and it may save someone else's life. Judging from what I see day in and day out it hasn't had any sweeping effect but maybe one person will get the message.

I do have to wonder just how many times she crossed at that point in that fashion. It can't have been her first time unless she just moved to those apartments. This is probably not a case of putting those kids in harm's way once. More likely that it was done it time and again and having it gone horribly wrong this time.

The real losers in all of this are the folks like the guy you mentioned in your earlier post. The drivers going about their business who hit a pedestrian crossing in a bad spot away from a crosswalk where the driver does not expect them - sometimes after dark. Even though they aren't charged they have to live with that memory for the rest of their life due to someone else's negligence and ignorance.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 6:06:47 PM

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Three years seems appropriate for the part the mother played in endangering her child.

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Just when I was about to say; "Cobb County, that explains it all. Put a black person in front of a Cobb County jury; conviction guaranteed." Had any of this transpired in DeKalb, certainly, or even likely if happened in Fulton or Clayton Counties, then we'd never have heard of this idiocy. But if Cobb or Gwinnett ...
And you locals know this, don't pretend any different.

But then I saw the incomprehensible horse crap above ... ("three years seems appropriate")

My apologies, Cobb County; apparently sickos like this exist many miles away, also. (as if we didn't know this already, but just to start out with the Hollywood version here ... )

The mother was not thinking clearly, she made a mistake not unlike many mistakes made by parents everyday, in this one instance resulting in a death, but otherwise just another dumb move, made by thousands everyday, somehow escaping intact.

As Kaliko pointed out in post #7, criminal charges should only be brought forth in cases of criminal intent. This woman should have gotten a ticket and the heaviest fine allowable because of the unfortunate consequence, but actual jail time is just absurd.

I can understand Kaloko's discomfort here at all this judgementalism. The majority of the posts here would make any parent feel like there's a spy cam on them at all times, or if not, there should be.

By this "standard," my mother should have served at least 20 life sentences for; going through nine pregnancies to have eight kids (were it up to me, I would have locked her up after the second one and let her out a year later if she promised to stop there, and yes, that means no me), three of them being born with significant disabilities, not being precisely on the spot when one or several of those kids found their way into harmful or life threatening situations, etc.

When I was 4-5 yrs old, I accidentally kicked off the parking brake in the car at the top of a steep driveway. The open driver's door caught on my friend's bicycle foot peddle, and car and bike scraped loudly against the brick carport wall back for 2 feet before all came to a stop and disaster avoided.

Being that so many here insist on crucifying for parental mistakes, the other side of the bargain is that my 5 yr. old friend (at the time) deserves beatification and soon following known as "St. Theresa" for this same 5 yr. old thoughtlessly tossing her bike aside earlier in the day in just the right spot.

And yes, that is EXACTLY how freaking utterly stupid this whole thread is.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 6:42:18 PM

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Yeah, we're a buncha backwerds racist hicks here. I dunno why the driver, who was also black, wasn't hung at the Square in Marietta. We must be gettin soft in our old age.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 7:07:06 PM

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Last i heard child endangerment is actually a crime and a concept of criminal intent - its why its called involuntary on many levels. And yes, when it results in a child's death there is usually some kind of criminal charge. It's like parents who leave their children in the car and they die. The parent wasn't meaning any criminal intent when they left the sleeping child in a car during the summer. Yet, they are arrested on manslaughter charges and many on murder charges usually because of a stupid decision they made that endangered and ultimately caused the death of their child.

I can guarantee you that she endangered her children before this tragedy quite regularly by jaywalking across that very busy street and this was not the first time she did it at night. The fact that she even admitted the rest of the passengers were doing it tells me its a common occurance. So how many times did she endanger her children's lives by taking a short cut so to speak?

Sometimes ya know society simply sees the injustice in the senseless death of a child because his/her parent endangered them with their choices.

And your rant about what you did as a kid, this society is NOT the society most of us grew up in. Hell nowadays most of our parents would have had their kids taken away or in jail for neglect or endangerment.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 7:19:29 PM

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JstAnother, we both know there's more to it than that, and that the conservative/vs. whatever thing works differently here.

I jumped too quickly on the Cobb County jury thing being solely attributable to racial concerns, when the fact is that people there are just more conservatively bent, in which event I trust Cobb or Gwinnett people more than I would the true sickos elsewhere in the country (so-called 'progressives' or 'conservatives' or whatever.

You nor I have to explain a whole lot to each other (aside my last sloppy paintbrush there), but that truly unthinking, mindless, "hive mind" fundamental inconsideration or awareness of human soul at all by another's comment that "three years seems appropriate" just stuck in my craw, so pardon if I missed targets in my response.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 7:25:49 PM

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Last i heard child endangerment is actually a crime and a concept of criminal intent - its why its called involuntary on many levels. And yes, when it results in a child's death there is usually some kind of criminal charge. It's like parents who leave their children in the car and they die. The parent wasn't meaning any criminal intent when they left the sleeping child in a car during the summer. Yet, they are arrested on manslaughter charges and many on murder charges usually because of a stupid decision they made that endangered and ultimately caused the death of their child.

I can guarantee you that she endangered her children before this tragedy quite regularly by jaywalking across that very busy street and this was not the first time she did it at night. The fact that she even admitted the rest of the passengers were doing it tells me its a common occurance. So how many times did she endanger her children's lives by taking a short cut so to speak?

Sometimes ya know society simply sees the injustice in the senseless death of a child because his/her parent endangered them with their choices.

And your rant about what you did as a kid, this society is NOT the society most of us grew up in. Hell nowadays most of our parents would have had their kids taken away or in jail for neglect or endangerment.

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Thanks for your utter incoherency in this or any other post of yours, further proving and pushing forward the need for birth control.

You addressed the wrong person, you missed the point, you projected your own rant onto someone else's narrative, you proved that the movie "Idiocracy" is hi-level culture for you.

And then agreed with me -serioussly- when I was pointing out by way of facetiousness the absurdity that half the mothers today, and 90% of mothers in the rest of history should be locked up.

If your tubes aren't tied yet, we can call early in the morning.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 7:46:06 PM

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Last i heard child endangerment is actually a crime and a concept of criminal intent - its why its called involuntary on many levels. And yes, when it results in a child's death there is usually some kind of criminal charge. It's like parents who leave their children in the car and they die. The parent wasn't meaning any criminal intent when they left the sleeping child in a car during the summer. Yet, they are arrested on manslaughter charges and many on murder charges usually because of a stupid decision they made that endangered and ultimately caused the death of their child.

That's the scary part.

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I can guarantee you that she endangered her children before this tragedy quite regularly by jaywalking across that very busy street and this was not the first time she did it at night. The fact that she even admitted the rest of the passengers were doing it tells me its a common occurance. So how many times did she endanger her children's lives by taking a short cut so to speak?

How is this different from the speeding example I gave earlier? Is a parent considered to repeatedly endanger their children's lives by exceeding the speed limit (aka "taking a shortcut")? Is there a parent anywhere who hasn't exceeded the speed limit with their child in the car?

Of course if an accident were to occur and speed was a factor, there is blame. But, unless the parent was doing raceway speed, I can't see how we can say the parent was so awful for speeding. Doesn't just about everybody regularly drive 5-6 miles above the speed limit, at least? And hasn't everybody, at one time in their lives, jaywalked?

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Sometimes ya know society simply sees the injustice in the senseless death of a child because his/her parent endangered them with their choices.

I get nervous, though, when we start to consider what could be considered endangerment. What if I forgot to put a baby gate up at the top of the stairs? What if I didn't cut my infant's food up quite small enough? What if I just made a mistake? Any loving mother would be ripped apart and devastated at the thought of causing harm to her child that she could have avoided. To add jail time to that is, I think, cruel and unusual punishment not fitting of the "crime."

And what gets me even more, as I also said before, is that these parents are publicly blasted for their "endangerment," with speculation as to how many time they've "endangered" their children in the past with these same acts, yet there are so, so many parents out there who are truly endangering the health and safety of their children. They are the ones that deserve judgment and possibly jail time.

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And your rant about what you did as a kid, this society is NOT the society most of us grew up in. Hell nowadays most of our parents would have had their kids taken away or in jail for neglect or endangerment.

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And there ya go.

I might be sensitive to this because I've been trained to be hypersensitive to things like this. I am a very careful mother. And so yeah, it worries me that maybe, in just one instance, when a very careful mother lapses in judgment for just a split second, in addition to whatever happens to her beautiful child, she, too, must be jailed and taken from her family? Honestly, regardless of what the law is, it sounds kind of barbaric.

Who knows. I don't know anything about this particular woman. Maybe she really does deserve more. I don't know her story specifically. But based on just the idea that she jaywalked with her child? I can't see placing such judgment on her.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 8:04:33 PM

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I blame the city or public transportation authority for the death of this child more so than the mother or even the drunk driver. Why would there be a bus stop near an apartment complex with the nearest crosswalk nearly a mile away? Is the city/trans authority doing anything to ensure this never happens again? They need to either install a crosswalk at that stop or remove that stop. It doesn't take a brainiac to know that people are going to get on/off the bus at the stop closest to wherever it they are going, no matter the inherent dangers of doing so.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 8:21:45 PM

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I don't know how many times I've heard friends and family, and even strangers maket he statement "Pedestrians have the right of way." That statement does not put an invisible "wall" around idiots who can't be bothered to cross when and where it's appropriate. A 180 pound man can stop on a dime and give 9 cents change.......a two ton car needs at least a dollar! At 55 mph, the vehicle is traveling 88 feet per second. Considering that almost no one does the speed limit anywhere any more...and yes, I'm guilty of it too....anyone stepping off the curb needs to keep that little bit of trivia in mind.

I feel for her.....there is a part of me who thinks she should be sentenced for being at fault for the death of her child, but the more realistic part of me knows that she is now in a prison of her own making. With no opportunity for time off for good behavior.

The driver.....yeah, we all know what's going to go on there. Obviously, he gives a rat's ass about legally driving. There are all sorts of things people can say will stop him from driving, however, all he needs to do to circumvent them is get in a car that's not his. Personally, if I was a cop, and he was in someone else's vehicle, not only would he be arrested, but the owner of the vehicle would get arrested also as an accomplice after the fact. Most states already have laws on their books for allowing someone without a license to operate your vehicle......it's usually not thought about by law enforcement tho. They'd be surprised if they actually read the laws thay uphold! (And I've been a cop, so I can say that......for instance, in Missouri, you can be ticked for not blowing your horn prior to legally passing a vehicle on the roadway. Well, in 1993 you could!)

I highly doubt the fact that he killed a child will even register on his conscience. One can only hope that there is a special place in hell for him.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 8:52:05 PM

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She got probation!

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 8:59:12 PM

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I have mixed feelings about it. Another child was killed, less than a mile from me as his mom was walking across a busy road with him in a stroller to catch a CCT bus. In the case near me, there was a crosswalk, with a light, just a little bit down the road. It also happened in the dark. She crossed right over a blind hill, on a road that has a 45 mph speed limit, and the man that hit them was inconsolable, as I would have been. He had not been drinking, was just heading for work.

So, do I think she should face jail? Yes, because it was ultimately her actions that caused the child to die. She had a crosswalk very close, and the apartments she lives in are on a major road, which also has a speed limit of 45 mph.

Do I think she should face a longer sentence than the man who hit them? Someone who has two previous hit and runs and admitted being DUI? No way in hell. He should be in jail for the rest of his life, at the very least.

Would I be able to sentence her to jail? I really do not know. I think she will be in a prison of regret for the rest of her days, I am not sure that adding bars would make it any worse a punishment.

I really wish Cobb police would write more jaywalking tickets. There is not a day that goes by that I do not see someone dangerously crossing a major road here in a totally idiotic fashion.

Tough case. I am glad I am not on the jury for this one.

Hell, you know as well as I do that the speed limits in Cobb are more suggestions than requirements. Personally, I think crosswalks should be strictly enforced. Anyone pulling so far up that a pedestrian has to go out into traffic to cross the street - ticket. Like in California.

And there are places where there isn't a crosswalk for damn near a mile. Upper Roswell Rd. Between Old Canton and East Cobb Park, for example. Lower Roswell between Indian Hills Parkway and the Government center.

Hell, even in Mexico and Costa Rica I saw pedestrian bridges crossing busy streets/highways. No, sorry, I disagree. Society needs to be user-friendly, not machine-friendly.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 9:00:37 PM

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If i read correctly, she received a sentence of 1 year probation and 40 hours community service, and she TURNED IT DOWN in favor of a re-trial? Stupid bitch. i hope they do sentence her to the three years.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 9:02:00 PM

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If i read correctly, she received a sentence of 1 year probation and 40 hours community service, and she TURNED IT DOWN in favor of a re-trial? Stupid bitch. i hope they do sentence her to the three years.

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Yeah...that does seem fair, in light of what we know about it.

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RE: Jaywalking mother may get longer jail time than dru... - 7/26/2011 9:43:53 PM

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I am so torn on this whole matter. I have no idea what happened that day, but this is how I am picturing it.

I am picturing a mother who maybe worked all day. She picked up her kids from day care, got on the bus, and headed home. She's tired. The kids are whining. They are tired and hungry. She has a hard decision to make. Does she walk 3/10 of a mile up the road to cross the street, then back 3/10 of a mile when her apartment is across the street from where she stands?

I just spent a week with my darling grandkids. I saw screaming and tantrums and fighting just like normal kids under the age of 7 are so good at. Multiply that by 5 as there were 5 of them. Faced with the decision this mother faced, I might have chosen crossing the street too, as she and others have probably done without a problem many times before.

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