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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 8:34:00 AM   
imperatrixx


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Status: offline 		Why, that's just ridiculous. I always hear Republicans mention how their party fought for civil rights in the 60's. Surely things don't change that much in half a century? I mean, when I think of "Russia" today naturally I think of commie bastards who are going to nuke us all to hell, just like the 60's. It is offensive to think that "current events" should have any effect on the way the Republican Party is perceived.

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 8:35:54 AM   
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Of course racism and discrimination is alive and well, despite those around here that think it is not.


Ditto! Even willing to let the ceiling fall in, to try and exasperate this president, and force him to fail. M



To be fair and honest, SexyBossy, Jimmy Carter was much more heavily bombarded and maligned from all sides in comparison to anything President Obama has experienced thusfar. No question, there has been at least some racial undertone in -some- of the attacks regarding the latter, but nothing from the mainstream media or significant elements of the Republican party in that regard.

It's just everyday business for Republicans to cut off their nose to spite their face, look at the wife and threaten to shoot the child, loosely hold a large can of gasoline over the fire, etc.

The presidency was virtually held hostage at least half the time Clinton was in office. He was impeached for lying to congress about a personal item that had nothing whatsoever to do with or presented any threat to national concerns or security, while Bush II never got anything close to that treatment even as being responsible for over 100,000 deaths and making the country far less safe in the process, by way of lying to congress.

The racial element regarding Obama certainly exists (as in evidence both here and on other forums), but I merely wish to point out that the penchant for national nihilism by the Republicans was well established and thoroughly in place for some while before Obama came to the scene.





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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 8:38:48 AM   
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The presidency was virtually held hostage at least half the time Clinton was in office. He was impeached for a personal item that had nothing whatsoever to do with or presented any threat to national concerns or security


Clinton was not impeached for having an affair with Lewinsky.

Clinton was impeached for committing the crime of perjury when he was charged with the crime of sexual harrassment against Paula Jones.

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 9:41:17 AM   
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As I said; lying to congress (perjury) about a personal matter (as I edited soon after, just not quick enough) that had nothing to do at all with any national security concerns.

I never mentioned the name of any counterparty, being that it was not germane to the issue. But I'm glad that you've sorted things out to your own satisfaction in any case.





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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 9:43:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose we just differ on whether sexual harrassment is considered "personal" or "criminal."

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 9:48:00 AM   
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/26/valedictorian-sues-school-was-she-snubbed-because-of-race/

that blog talks a bit more about the school's position, but they are choosing not to talk much because of the impending litigation. i can believe, though, that black students were discouraged from taking "difficult classes," because it very nearly happened to me at my high school. an old guidance counselor recommended to me and several other kids i knew that we not take biology in our freshman year because it would be "difficult;" we should instead take general science. well taking general science made it REALLY hard to qualify for a program that made scholarships easier to get. you had to take a specific 4-year track, and if you didn't take biology your freshman year, you were kinda screwed. i didnt listen because i rarely listened to guidance counselors, but a few of my friends did -- and these weren't dumb kids, these were kids who had been straight-A through middle and junior high school, kids who had always been at the top of the class. a few of them DID listen, unfortunately, but you know, when i asked white friends about it, they NEVER got that advice. nearly all of the kids who did were black.

Lilly, that REALLY sucks.

when i talked to my mom about it, she said that even when she was going to that school, that same guidance counselor (he was pretty old by the time i met him, yep, and he "retired" a few years later) had done similar things to kids in her classes, too. things like that CAN happen for generations, and when the people who are complaining are black people who no one cares about anyway, do you seriously think anyone listens to those complaints?

i don't like the one-sided angling of all the articles on this, but i also REALLY don't like the willingness for people to act like things like this don't happen or they "would've been reported by now." they are being reported but people say "oh you're just playing the race card" when you're not.

i believe it still happens. i just don't believe that the article demonstrated that it happened THIS time. It still may have, but the article did not make a good case, in my opinion.

being valedictorian is important to people. you may not really understand why, but it takes a lot of really hard work (this student took boatloads of AP classes and worked her ass off to get her GPA) -- there's a such thing as a salutatorian, you know -- a title given for the 2nd highest GPA. why not use that for the white student? honestly, if it was the other way around, i'm sure that's how it would've gone. there would be no "co-valedictorian" for a white student. =p i really don't see anything wrong with going back and setting the record straight. she DID have the highest GPA. it's no different than going back in a baseball record and putting an asterisks next to someone's record to show that that person was later found to have used drugs; records are corrected all the time; there's nothing "prima donna" about it. 

What i'm trying to say is that i would like to make that judgement based on the facts, and i don't think we heard them all. That does NOT mean (and i thought i said this earlier, but maybe not)... that does NOT mean that if we were to hear all the facts, that they wouldn't prove your point, namely, that the facts might not really show that she WAS discriminated against because of race. She may well have been. But i can't determine that based on the information the article provides. i did not mean to say, she's definitely wrong and the school's right. i mean to say, it's wrong to judge the school based solely on these articles, which are presenting a biased view of the story, and it seems to me that too many people are doing just that.

At my school, there were multiple valedictorians. i'm not sure how they were picked. If it could be shown that this school always names person with the highest GPA as valedictorian, and that in this case they changed their policy, that would be strong evidence against them. i just wish i knew that for a fact.


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Fuck that.....your nose could be in that particular pile of shit and you'd still say it had a hint of rose in it. Just admit what you are bitch

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 9:48:19 AM   
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I suppose we just differ on whether sexual harrassment is considered "personal" or "criminal."


Again missing the point.

It may have been criminal, maybe not.

It's just that I find lying to congress (perjury, and treason in that instance) for purpose of dragging a country into war and causing over 100,000 deaths, primarily civilian, to be just a tad more criminal.

Sorry if we diverge on that one.


Actually not.





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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 9:59:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that Bush should have been investigated, and I think that there likely would have been grounds for impeachment.

I don't think you need to trivialize sexual harassment charges against Clinton to build up a case against Bush.

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 10:00:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		What sexual harrassment? Getting a willing bj is sexual harrassment? Only a dumbass would make that argument

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 10:00:52 AM   
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I don't think you need to trivialize sexual harassment charges against Clinton to build up a case against Bush.




I don't think you need to trivialize the deaths of over 100,000 people to build up a case against Clinton.

But apparently you do.


In any event, I never used the Clinton drama to "build a case" against Bush, there is plenty enough evidence in regards to treason to the country by his administration regardless of what Clinton did or didn't do.









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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 10:08:22 AM   
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What sexual harrassment? Getting a willing bj is sexual harrassment? Only a dumbass would make that argument


You're right. Only a dumbass would make that argument.

A non dumbass would argue that the woman who accused Clinton of sexual harassment did not give him a bj, willingly or unwillingly.

Fuck, I was like 13 when this shit happened and even I remember it.



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I don't think you need to trivialize the deaths of over 100,000 people to build up a case against Clinton.

But apparently you do.



Bro. The reason I pointed out that Clinton was impeached amid a sexual harassment trial instead of a "personal matter" is because of posts like the above. The general consensus is that Clinton was persecuted for having an extramarital affair, not that he was accused of sexually harassing an unwilling woman. I in absolutely no way trivialized one by comparing it to the other, in fact, you're the one trivializing both by bringing them up together as if they have anything at all to do with one another.

I already said that I think Bush should have been investigated and that there likely would have been grounds to impeach him. But since you didn't read that the first time, I have no expectations that you'll read it the second.

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 10:17:03 AM   
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The initial comparison was about lying to congress, and grounds for impeachment thereby.

If Clinton was accused of a criminal act, then he should have been charged appropriately. The impeachment had nothing to do with that, rather about previous response to questionable congressional interrogation in the first place.

You claimed that I was 'building a case' against Bush using the congress/Clinton melodrama, when I did nothing of the sort.

Work on the comprehension skills there, then get back to us.




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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 10:38:24 AM   
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I already said that I think Bush should have been investigated and that there likely would have been grounds to impeach him. But since you didn't read that the first time, I have no expectations that you'll read it the second.




The whole affair, the lying about WMD, etc. has already been investigated, at least twice. Sorry you missed out on that.

Do I have to tell you what the outcome was?

I'm sure I do, but I'm not going to.




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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 10:49:47 AM   
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What sexual harrassment? Getting a willing bj is sexual harrassment? Only a dumbass would make that argument

Actually, DYB. According to the law in many if not all jurisdictions, you can be accused of sexual harassment even if your partner was willing if you are in a position of authority over that person. It sucks (no pun intended) but that's the way it is.

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 12:07:33 PM   
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What sexual harrassment? Getting a willing bj is sexual harrassment? Only a dumbass would make that argument


You're right. Only a dumbass would make that argument.

A non dumbass would argue that the woman who accused Clinton of sexual harassment did not give him a bj, willingly or unwillingly.

Fuck, I was like 13 when this shit happened and even I remember it.



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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I don't think you need to trivialize the deaths of over 100,000 people to build up a case against Clinton.

But apparently you do.



Bro. The reason I pointed out that Clinton was impeached amid a sexual harassment trial instead of a "personal matter" is because of posts like the above. The general consensus is that Clinton was persecuted for having an extramarital affair, not that he was accused of sexually harassing an unwilling woman. I in absolutely no way trivialized one by comparing it to the other, in fact, you're the one trivializing both by bringing them up together as if they have anything at all to do with one another.

I already said that I think Bush should have been investigated and that there likely would have been grounds to impeach him. But since you didn't read that the first time, I have no expectations that you'll read it the second.


Course I read the other. Your argument has been floating around for a long time. He was impeached on political grounds no one can argue that point looking at it from today. The point is that it shouldn't have happened in juxtaposition to the others crime of lying to get us into a war.....think it through

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 12:34:59 PM   
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The presidency was virtually held hostage at least half the time Clinton was in office. He was impeached for a personal item that had nothing whatsoever to do with or presented any threat to national concerns or security


Clinton was not impeached for having an affair with Lewinsky.

Clinton was impeached for committing the crime of perjury when he was charged with the crime of sexual harrassment against Paula Jones.


sort of. The perjury was during the Paula Jones trial, but was related to ML. He was also impeached on obstruction of justice for witness tampering.


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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 12:38:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		He wasn't actually impeached. You're thinking of Nixon rather than Clinton. Clinton finished his full second term in office, remember?

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 12:39:10 PM   
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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 12:58:12 PM   
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He wasn't actually impeached. You're thinking of Nixon rather than Clinton. Clinton finished his full second term in office, remember?


Clinton was impeached but not convicted IIRC.

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RE: Racism alive and doing well in the south - 7/28/2011 1:00:04 PM   
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He wasn't actually impeached. You're thinking of Nixon rather than Clinton. Clinton finished his full second term in office, remember?


Clinton was impeached but not convicted IIRC.


You recall correctly. Brits dont know what "impeached" means in this context. And obviously know nothing about Nixon, who was never impeached at all (though would have been had he not resigned).

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