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PainCompliant -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 11:05:31 AM)
quote: obedience isn't forced, and true submission isn't involuntary. Aggressive control is a catalysis that intensifies submission and compels obedience. I start off voluntarily - I walk through the door and surrender control. And, over time, outside of a criminal situation, there is always a degree of voluntary submission on my part. And there has to be trust - not the trust to obey that has been discussed - but my trust that the person in control will stay within the "rules of engagement" and his trust that, once I want out, I will not threaten to call the cops and charge him with kidnapping if I am not released. Without that it won't work, because for me the control only becomes real, and therefore fulfilling, when I want to leave and can't. There are two kinds of obedience - considered and unquestioning. Boot camp takes a recruit from considered to unquestioning obedience. I am not looking to role play boot camp but I am looking to place myself in a situation where a skilled controller can bring me to unquestioning obedience. I know that is possible as I have experienced it a few times in relatively short term situations.

Kana -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 11:07:09 AM)
She doesn't drive. :-) Plus, it ain't like I'm irresponsible, I would get on line first, check her location, then apply the zing. Work would be an obvious no-no, as would say court, but standing in line at the local bondage store-oh hell to the yes. That would be the boomdiggedy. Now if we could just make that tracker a clit ring....

BitaTruble -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 11:08:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana Now if we could just make that tracker a clit ring.... I think I love you just a little bit.

LadyConstanze -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 11:33:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PainCompliant quote: obedience isn't forced, and true submission isn't involuntary. Aggressive control is a catalysis that intensifies submission and compels obedience. I start off voluntarily - I walk through the door and surrender control. And, over time, outside of a criminal situation, there is always a degree of voluntary submission on my part. And there has to be trust - not the trust to obey that has been discussed - but my trust that the person in control will stay within the "rules of engagement" and his trust that, once I want out, I will not threaten to call the cops and charge him with kidnapping if I am not released. Without that it won't work, because for me the control only becomes real, and therefore fulfilling, when I want to leave and can't. There are two kinds of obedience - considered and unquestioning. Boot camp takes a recruit from considered to unquestioning obedience. I am not looking to role play boot camp but I am looking to place myself in a situation where a skilled controller can bring me to unquestioning obedience. I know that is possible as I have experienced it a few times in relatively short term situations. The short term situations are fine and different to long term, I would think that over long term the same issues you have now arise, the fact that you want to test the boundaries and push them, we all get bored with what we are used to, so what when the thought takes hold that the person can't really control you? GPS or not, there is always a way out... Short time I might enjoy caging somebody, long time - hell no, I'm a pack rat and need all the storage space I have.

Arpig -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 11:44:40 AM)
quote: Without that it won't work, because for me the control only becomes real, and therefore fulfilling, when I want to leave and can't. Personally, the moment you wanted out, I would want you out as well. I want somebody who submits, not someone who is forced. But whatever, it's your thang not mine, go for it. You have actually been given a lot of useful info here, some links and such to ways to do it, also that you aren't alone, several other subs ahve said they think the idea is hot as well, and the very clearly presented evidence that there aren't a lot of Doms who would be interested in doing what you want on a long term basis. The longer you continue to answer and try justify your kink, the dumber you look. Not because of your kink, but because you are continuing to argue with people who have quite plainly told you they disagree with you and would want nothing to do with your kink.

poise -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 11:58:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana Course, when the lilone and I were talking about it last night I did mention that if I chipped her, I'd want to have an electric shock option(like dog collars have) that I could remotely activate from anywhere. This gives a whole new meaning to "Can you hear me now?" [8D]

LadyPact -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 12:38:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael LadyP, sitting around a pool, sipping beers and talking about kink, we agreed about a lot of things! You just gave me an idea for a new kink class, lol! My dating resume gives me the clout to teach a class for male submissive on how to De_Porn themselves and go from wanker to wanted! True. It doesn't always happen on the boards, though. [8D] As for a class, you might consider throwing in mention for a book called "How To Capture A Mistress" by Karen Martin. Just an idea. In defense of male submissives though, most who are out there actually attending classes and such have made it past the fantasist stage.

kiarsia -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 12:43:34 PM)
Im only a bit confused as to how this turned into the "i admit...." thread. Personally, my opinion is oh what the hell, if it makes you hot, go for it. Although, you might want to actually FIND a dominant who agrees with you that this idea and dynamic seems hot...THEN find the tracking device that works for both of you and your lifestyle. There's usually a logical order to things. Just saying.

LafayetteLady -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 1:13:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PainCompliant So you're saying that I would be helpless if broken and reined in and then discarded? I'd submit that humans will rebound, at least to some degree, once the controlling sphere is removed and I'm certain I would do much better if I were not penniless. Yep, better if you ain't penniless, but the kind of "breaking" you are talking about isn't as easy to "rebound" from as you imagine. quote: "Five years and have not found someone permanent." You know so much, yet so little. For a long time I was looking for and found intense periods of control for set periods of time. It is only relatively recently that I have decided to try to take what works for me to 24/7. And quite candidly, because I am 65 and looking for male to male, it is going to be tougher to find someone. However rather than roleplay at something that is not fulfilling for me, I'll take my chances on connecting with someone looking to impose the level of control I seek. I'll bet you are just as insulting to those who talk to you about what you want. Yes, an older man looking for an older man is more difficult. You know what? It is also far more dangerous and more likely you will find someone who will take you prisoner and kill you. I'm not saying that everyone is a predator like that, but I sure as hell am saying that every time we read about some guy who fantasized being a slave is killed, the story starts out like yours. quote: Unless your house burns down on a regular basis, I accept the risk of being restrained by a chain. Same with a heart attack. Shit happens. As long as the person with the key and the person being restrained understand and are willing to accept such a risk, it is our decision. The same informed decision someone makes when engaging in a similar risky situation such as flogging. Back to fantasy land. This isn't about whether or not YOU consent, but what the LAW would view in that situation. And you know what? They couldn't give two shits about your consent, and the poor fool who took you on would expend money, time, and much stress trying to defend himself for your fantasy. quote: The point is, it is about me. Duh. I know what I need and will work for me. Maybe I'll find someone. Maybe I won't. But at least I won't be wasting two persons' time by trying to come off as someone I am not just to meet another person's expectations. The point is, that NOTHING is all about you. It is about the two people involved. That's why you will remain in fantasy land. You talk about how we all just don't "get" what you want, but you have no problem telling everyone here they are basically posers involved in "roleplay." Personally, I couldn't care less if you were held captive in a septic pit and happy as a clam. The fact that YOU don't get to dictate what any "master" you find will do is what you just don't understand. If you were a female, everyone would refer to you as wanting to be a bratty sub so you could get punished, since you admit you will disobey every chance you get without them micromanaging you. I will leave it to someone else to figure out if "brat" is the appropriate term when it is a 65 year old gay man. To me, "brat" doesn't seem to cut it.

tiggerspoohbear -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 2:06:57 PM)
Nope, brat doesn't quite fit a 65 yr old man. But behindular being might do? [:D]

PainCompliant -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 2:09:46 PM)
"I'll bet you are just as insulting to those who talk to you about what you want." In this sort of dialogue I respect those who talk with me and not those who make unfounded assumptions and talk "to" me. "Back to fantasy land. This isn't about whether or not YOU consent, but what the LAW would view in that situation. And you know what? They couldn't give two shits about your consent, and the poor fool who took you on would expend money, time, and much stress trying to defend himself for your fantasy." Exact same risk as in the situation of someone having a heart attack during a consentual flogging. If two consenting adults understand the risk what is it to you? Another judgmental assumption - any top into what I seek is a "poor fool"? "posers involved in "roleplay." " Never used the term posers. I also was speaking as to what I consider would be "role play" for me. "The fact that YOU don't get to dictate what any "master" you find will do is what you just don't understand. " Alas I never said I was looking to dictate. Seems to me that, outside of "fantasy land." it makes sense to learn if there are mutual objectives before embarking on a non role play / non foreplay, long term master/slave or, in my case, a controller/controlee relationship. Thanks to those who gave me some good info on my original question. Else wise, it's time to go.

Aileen1968 -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 2:16:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana Hopping in late, and most likely waaaaay off topic with the current discussion, I am all for GPS tracking-not cuz I don't trust her, but because I just think the idea is hawthawthawt. Grins. Course, when the lilone and I were talking about it last night I did mention that if I chipped her, I'd want to have an electric shock option(like dog collars have) that I could remotely activate from anywhere. Hehehehehehehehe. That would be so much fun. (She, ahem, shockingly felt differently) I swear...some days I think it's Shorey posting under your name.

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 2:21:05 PM)
quote: The fact that YOU don't get to dictate what any "master" you find will do is what you just don't understand. That's very true, but what you don't seem to understand is that he is perfectly within his rights to look for a Master who wants to do the things he wants done. Isn't that the same advice that is given to all the sub girls who don't want to be whipped every day? What is it about this guy that has you so annoyed? He didn't ask anybody to discuss his kink, nor for stories about it. He asked if anybody knew of some devices that would make it possible. From his replies he seems well aware that he's hunting unicorns, but so what. He knows what he wants, let him go look for it. He isn't here looking for wank fodder, he hasn't asked anybody to do anything with him, for him, or to him. PainCompliant, it's going to be really hard to find the master you're after. I sincerely hope you two find each other before too long. Best of luck.

Aileen1968 -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 2:24:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: The fact that YOU don't get to dictate what any "master" you find will do is what you just don't understand. That's very true, but what you don't seem to understand is that he is perfectly within his rights to look for a Master who wants to do the things he wants done. Isn't that the same advice that is given to all the sub girls who don't want to be whipped every day? What is it about this guy that has you so annoyed? He didn't ask anybody to discuss his kink, nor for stories about it. He asked if anybody knew of some devices that would make it possible. From his replies he seems well aware that he's hunting unicorns, but so what. He knows what he wants, let him go look for it. He isn't here looking for wank fodder, he hasn't asked anybody to do anything with him, for him, or to him. PainCompliant, it's going to be really hard to find the master you're after. I sincerely hope you two find each other before too long. Best of luck. OMG...I agree completely. It is cold in Hell today!

agirl -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 2:43:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: The fact that YOU don't get to dictate what any "master" you find will do is what you just don't understand. That's very true, but what you don't seem to understand is that he is perfectly within his rights to look for a Master who wants to do the things he wants done. Isn't that the same advice that is given to all the sub girls who don't want to be whipped every day? What is it about this guy that has you so annoyed? He didn't ask anybody to discuss his kink, nor for stories about it. He asked if anybody knew of some devices that would make it possible. From his replies he seems well aware that he's hunting unicorns, but so what. He knows what he wants, let him go look for it. He isn't here looking for wank fodder, he hasn't asked anybody to do anything with him, for him, or to him. PainCompliant, it's going to be really hard to find the master you're after. I sincerely hope you two find each other before too long. Best of luck. Good for you Heather. All the salient points covered. Crumbs, M had all his ducks lined up with cruel and mean ideas..........why not this guy? Because he's sub? I've been able to try an inordinate amount of things with M.........ideas, wild bits and bobs......We just go for it. What if I never had the boobs to mention them? Without repeating you word for word........ The guy has been more than honest about himself, his procilivtites and about his motives.....and what he would like. What on earth is wrong with that? Half the doms posting would like that brand of honesty, even if they weren't interested! agirl

Aileen1968 -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 2:45:58 PM)
side note...agirl...I love your thoughts, but your font is always sooooo small. It hurts my eyes to try and read.

NuevaVida -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 2:52:46 PM)
I totally second what heather and agirl said. I've never seen so much flak given to a submissive on these boards for stating what they're looking for while also recognizing it may be a rare find. I happen to know a few slaves in a similar dynamic to what Pain is looking for, so it does exist. There are masters out there who get off on that level of micromanaging and control, and who would haul someones ass back who said they wanted to leave. So Pain, I hope you fond your bliss. Good for you for staying true to what you're looking for.

kalikshama -> RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify (7/27/2011 2:58:03 PM)
Fixed title.

kalikshama -> RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify (7/27/2011 2:59:19 PM)
quote: side note...agirl...I love your thoughts, but your font is always sooooo small. It hurts my eyes to try and read. + 1

agirl -> RE: I Admit It I........ (7/27/2011 3:03:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 side note...agirl...I love your thoughts, but your font is always sooooo small. It hurts my eyes to try and read. Is that a sarky comment? I've had so many commendations to change to SMALLER!..... Well.....no matter how small I go it's still big.........(great for M) Hah!( understandably) I never please everyone, and only occasionally please anyone that counts.........I did have a bash in the try your stuff out forum and the tumbleweed took over and no-one gave a crap...... and after a few days I just felt humiliated.( hey, not in a good way!) Sarkiness aside and last attempt, I type in a font I can actually see. I think some of this is very odd. Other people's fonts are much bigger than mine and some appear like ants boot prints. I read you perfectly well.......how low can you go?....grin. agirl

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