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If it pleases Master. - 10/14/2004 9:57:56 PM

liljoy

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Often time Master will bring up a new idea in passing to find my reaction to the idea. i am encouraged to honestly respond to these ideas. If it's something i am all for i say so. If it's something i don't like the idea of we discuss the reasons i don't like the idea. If it's something i don't have strong feelings about either way or it's not something that trills me but something i would do to please Him i'll often say "If it pleases Master"
One day we had visitors from out of state come in and Master came up with an idea to which i responded "If it pleases Master" This gave the "Dom" visiting the impression that i was being a smart ass and He said so in almost a shout. Master and i calmly explained that it simply meant that i didn't have strong feelings about it either way so if it was something that pleased Master i would do it to please Him.
Now Master has no problem with me answering as i do and yes that is what matters. i am still trying to figure out what caused the reaction that i saw. So if hearing this would cause you to think i'm just being a smart ass please tell me why?
i'd ask the "Dom" that had the reaction but we've decided not to deal with Him for other reasons.
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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/14/2004 11:16:28 PM

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lil
I feel that sentence is completely appropriate in that it does not say "you object", it simply allows your master to decide how important it is to him since he'd be the only one deriving pleasure/satisfaction from such request (not that there's anything wrong with that concept at times)...
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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/15/2004 3:48:34 AM

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The visiting Dom was out of line. It would not have been his place to correct you or question if you were in the presence of you own Master. Period.

I know when I have entertained overnight travelors, especially those within the lifestyle, we did alot of talking and discussion as a group of friends. So I am surprised that this "question" of his was not met more on a discussion level, instead of a reprimand level.

Bottom line - imo - the comment sounds disrespectful to both your Master and yourself, and your relationship with another.

in leather,
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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/15/2004 4:15:28 AM

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i am so glad that Master and i aren't alone in thinking he was at least reacting off the wall about my statement. In fact that was just one of the many off the wall reactions we saw. Which is why we chose to no longer be in contact with him.
His exact reaction was to look at Master and shout "Well now she is just being a smart ass!"
i am very sure a pic of the confusion on my face would be priceless as least to Master and myself. i really couldn't understand how anyone could come to that conclusion given the words and the manner in which they were said.
Any other opinions or insights are most welcome
thanks
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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/15/2004 4:42:19 AM

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in my view... taking to task another submissive in public is no done.. if I had a problem.. perhaps I might have a quiet word.. it could be that his view is that when asked a direct preferece question you are obligated to give a preference to do otherwise is to fail to comply. Perhaps he was nervous and that was his attempt at humor.. who knows.. what we do know is you both felt uncomfortable and choose no to invest further into this friendship. That is your Master's choice to make.. dont sweat it..

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/15/2004 7:38:13 AM

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i feel that how you respond to your Master is totally up to you both and no one else. Everyone in the lifestyle has different kinks and different likes; we also talk in different ways.

He was out of line and yes i wouldn't deal with Him anymore also.

Seems He may have some pent up anger which is never a good thing!

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/15/2004 8:10:50 AM

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His outburst was unwarranted, his advice was not asked, this was an interaction between a Dom, and his sub.
If this Dom was your Dom's mentor, than a quiet discussion would be proper, but if not, tell him to piss off!

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/15/2004 8:43:36 AM

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this slave has said "If it pleases You Master, this slave will do it." and gotten the same reaction from Him, that Y/you received from this Dom.....upon explaining it to Him, He then understood if it was something that this slave didn't like or wasn't sure about then she would say "If it pleases You Master, this slave will do it."

some Dom/Domme's see it as a form of disrespect for some strange reason, and this slave doesn't understand why they see it that way.

sorry this slave can't be of more help to you liljoy, hopefully you can find more answers from O/others.....this slave does not think you are being a smart ass or disrespectful in any way knowing that you and your Master discussed this is what you would say if you didn't have feelings about it either way.

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/15/2004 10:26:23 AM

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quote:

some Dom/Domme's see it as a form of disrespect for some strange reason

It is interesting that both of you have been on the receiving end of such a reaction and haven't gotten an explanation.

I agree there must be a strange reason for it. Given the comments so far, I'm wondering now if anyone who doesn't like it will have the nerve to try and make it sound reasonable.

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/15/2004 2:01:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cariad
some Dom/Domme's see it as a form of disrespect for some strange reason, and this slave doesn't understand why they see it that way.

The only reason that I can think of for such a reaction would be if someone was coming from a background where the expected answer to any and all orders is something like "Yes sir, thank you sir!" But one would have to be in relative isolation to think that everyone did things that way. Perhaps these are Doms who haven't dealt with other traditions very much? Unless they were very disappointed that the slave in question didn't seem more enthusiastic about the particular order, it's a little hard to see why they'd be upset otherwise.

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/15/2004 4:44:41 PM

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First of, the visiting Dom had no right to say a word. He doesn't have clue one, what you and your Master have agreed upon. Secondly, if your Master has no issue then there is no issue. My first reaction and personal opinion to what you say was this; Does that answer the question posed to you? Usually when asked a question a yes or no response is desired. "If it pleases...." just doesn't answer a question, but you do what He wants you to do. End of story.

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/15/2004 5:18:54 PM

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Actually, the phrase is quite polite and correct.

The usage of 'Please" is a shortened bersion of the old phrase "If it pleases you..." and the idea behind the phrase is exampled thusly: Modern - "Please bring me the satchel." Early - "If it please you to do so, may you bring me the satchel.". The term 'Please' was a polite statement that your wishes were at the pleasure of the one being asked.

"If it pleases Master." has, as its implied opposite "If it does not please Master, I do not wish it."
which is the very point of a slave's desires.

I feel that it is simply *wrong* to limit a slave's responses to "Yes, Master."

Also, NOBODY outside the Master/slave relationship has *any* business correcting, commenting, judgeing that relationship's sincerety. No exceptions! How horribly rude!

My life partner and submissive knows she has the right to tell off *anyone* who presumes upon her servitude! bottom OR Top! In fact, I ordered one Top out of my home after he called My beautiful servitor a "graceless bitch". I forbade him entry until he had apologised to my slave! He refused and remained banned for the rest of his life. He died 11 years later (of unrelated causes!). Only *I* have the right to lay Hand or Word to My slaves! They are My jewels and I will not have them belittled.

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/16/2004 8:19:38 PM

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I have to say that I'm suprised that anyone with much experience dealing with submissives/slaves wouldn't have seen the obvious here, but it appears nobody in this thread has.

You can say "if it pleases master" many different ways. Some of them will be pleasing, and some of them will not. Say it with an exasparated, long suffering sigh and a roll of the eyes and it can be patronizing and disrespectful. Say it with an inviting smile and it can be beyond pleasing, and downright provocative. Some call being manipulative with non-verbal queues while saying the "right thing" a "rebellion of obedience". I have, over the years, seen countless "dominants" change their behavior instantly rather than offend their "submissive" depending on how she said something like "If it pleases master".

Not having observed what non-verbal queues you offered when saying "if it pleases master" nobody here can say what the man was reacting to so strongly. That said, the way that he handled himself showed a lack of self-restraint and respect. He should have let your dominant deal with you as he saw fit, and then drawn his own conclusions about who was the actual dominant party in the interaction, and whether he wanted to have further interaction with you and your dom based on that.

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/16/2004 8:50:03 PM

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ahhhh, nice Job Leonidas... I agree

Maybe liljoy can enlighten us on her "body language" at the time.

I know I’ve had bad days before and things came out differently then intended even if maybe the same words I always use, it’s in the attitude…

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/17/2004 3:54:15 AM

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for this slave she is required to give that answer. like if her Lord says should i whip my slave.. this slave's answer is to be if it pleases You my Lord....Yes my Lord would be saying i was telling him to do so, which is not my right.. no my Lord.. well is just not a answer this slave is ever Ever allowed to give. so only answer is if pleases You my Lord. Was none of the other Dom's business.

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/17/2004 4:07:15 AM

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I'm not a very formal person (I dose my maturity out so that I don't waste it all at once), so if I were asked should my domly one do something, then I'd probably be much more casual in my response. And, to sound all woman-like about it, it's definitely not what you say, but how you say it.

If I don't want to do something, I'll say so - but that doesn't mean I won't do it.

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/17/2004 7:53:45 AM

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There are times when i have said something like "it's would not be my choice but i would do it to please you Sir", and He accepts that. That's usually my response to serving another female, which we have discussed but not done yet.

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/17/2004 1:56:30 PM

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I think the visiting dom was out of line - because even though 'a guest is a jewel resting on the cushion of hospitality', it is still not his place to determine what is or is not appropriate in your relationship with your dom.

Just my tuppence.

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/17/2004 3:28:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pepper
The visiting Dom was out of line. It would not have been his place to correct you or question if you were in the presence of you own Master. Period.

I totally agree, the comment does sound disrespectful to both liljoy and her Dom, particularly if it was said without asking what was meant. "If it pleases Master" sounds at first face quite respectful, not smart-ass.

Good call, pepper

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RE: If it pleases Master. - 10/17/2004 5:51:46 PM

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Like Leonidas said, it all comes down to how things are said and their context. I've called my submissives on being a smart ass many times before and I don't think it was anything bad, I've also openly called others' submissives or slaves smart asses if they were being such. Sometimes in a playful manner and other times cause they quite genuinely deserved it.

Also when you explained yourself to the other Dom, then what was his reaction. Did he stay badgering you on your misbehavior or kindly go about the rest of the conversation. The joys of language are the same as its disaray. A word spoken can mean so many things with the most subtle changes in tone or movement.

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