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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/29/2011 12:08:36 PM   
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It depends on how you define “demand” in this context. I was thinking that “demand” equals a need or want plus the ability to pay for it if available. A lack of ability to pay for it is a lack of demand in this context. I would really like to have the complete set of Battlestar Glactica DVDs but I can afford it right now. Hence, there is a want (it’s hardly a need ) but no demand… and thus no consumption in this particular case. Fortunately for Universal there are plenty of people who both want to watch BSG and can pay for it so there is enough consumption to make it worth their while to produce BSG DVDs.



You are essentially correct. Demand is a curve generally sloping from top left to lower right, with aggregate demand (units sellable) on the vertical access and price on the horizontal access. At each price there is an associated demand. A straight line across would mean that the same units would be sold regardless of price, a curve that drops to zero means that at some price there would be no market. The slope of the curve at any point determines shows the sensitivity of demand to price changes ("elasticity")

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Which is exactly what I said. Demand creates the business/jobs in the first place; consumption keeps it going.



Demand and consumption are really the same thing in this context if I understand your point. Actually the relationship between demand and job creation changes at different points in the marketing cycle. Generally the jobs come first, as a product is conceived of, developed and marketed. The presence of the product (spurred by marketing efforts) creates the initial demand. Both because of the newness of the product and high cost demand is initially low. As R&D costs are recouped and prices can be pushed down demand grows, and as the product becomes more known demand also grows ("The Joneses have a TV, why dont we?) These effects feed on each other until the market matures. There can be jolts to demand from increased competition (2 companies marketing reaches more consumers than 1, and the expansion of demand can permit price cutting without profit cutting.

Once the market matures, you are correct, consumption (continued demand) determines whether jobs are created, lost or maintined.

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Actually, history has shown (in both evolution and in business) that it is the generalists rather than the specialists who have the best chances for long term survival. If I make only pizzas and people suddenly start loosing an interest in pizza, then I am in trouble. If I also make subs and chicken wings my chances of survival are much better.



This is highly dependent on the product. The more technologically demanding the skills are the more specialization is a benefit (or necessity). Yes, changing demand for wings vs fried chicken means that KFC employees need to be able to make both. But a switch from nuclear power to solar requires a more demanding re-education to the specialty. The basic engineering skills that are common to both are too general to be of value absent the specialization.

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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/29/2011 4:07:20 PM   
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and thats where we need to draw the line between small business and large corporations.

One produces and is an economic engine, the other is a nation sucking leech. 

large corps are worse that leeches, they tend to grow by buying other corps and in so doing they cut jobs in duplicate areas...


Which enables them to cut prices and grow shareholder value.

ummm, they will only cut prices if they absolutely have to, meaning competition is beating them out for market share, etc... if that doesnt happen they gladly keep the savings, that is part of the reason to gobble up other businesses





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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/29/2011 4:22:02 PM   
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and thats where we need to draw the line between small business and large corporations.

One produces and is an economic engine, the other is a nation sucking leech. 

large corps are worse that leeches, they tend to grow by buying other corps and in so doing they cut jobs in duplicate areas...


Which enables them to cut prices and grow shareholder value.

ummm, they will only cut prices if they absolutely have to, meaning competition is beating them out for market share, etc... if that doesnt happen they gladly keep the savings, that is part of the reason to gobble up other businesses




Yes..."enables" means CAN not WILL.

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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/29/2011 4:55:31 PM   
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Yes..."enables" means CAN not WILL.

I think thats what i said.

It also depends on if they keep the purchased business as a business and dont shut it down, and sell everything off cuz the assets are worth so much more than the business itself & what they paid for it...

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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/29/2011 7:55:02 PM   
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Wow!! I must have entered some sort of alternate universe or something. For once, I agreed with a lot of what willbeur said.

Thanks for the fun read guys. I hadn't been able to get back to the thread after I posted it.

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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/29/2011 8:44:07 PM   
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The wealthy have been given tax cuts for how long now??


Why dont you tell us for how long. Since the portion of their income that has been paid in taxers by the wealthy has been nearly monotonically increasing youll have to be very creative.


And you will have to use better spelling and grammar before anyone can understand what you are saying.

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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/29/2011 9:04:55 PM   
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The wealthy have been given tax cuts for how long now??


Why dont you tell us for how long. Since the portion of their income that has been paid in taxers by the wealthy has been nearly monotonically increasing youll have to be very creative.


And you will have to use better spelling and grammar before anyone can understand what you are saying.



Funny no one else had any problem understanding it despite the typo. Must be you.

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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/29/2011 9:16:30 PM   
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And that is exactly why we need to think on a global scale. Produce local, sell global. There are 7 some odd billion consumers on this planet. We should be sending out products to the people who want them and those are not *just* US citizens.


Smart entrepeurs would be figuring out what China's massive middle class is gonna want in 10 to 20 years.  Harleys and Fender Stratocasters and vacations.  First time in history an ASSLOAD of people will suddenly have extra money.  People that have never had it before in their lives.  I'm thinking of making a dude ranch in Texas (where I'm from originally) custom tailored to the Chinese.  Market it over there.  Also, pets.  When poor nations begin to do better, people get pets.  Pet supplies would be a good investment there.  American beer, micro brew type stuff, will probably sell.

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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/29/2011 11:40:45 PM   
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He was an economics professor before becoming an Army medic, serving in Nam.


Like you were a gynecologist before you were a pedophile. Why is it necessary for you to lie constantly?


Yeah, and if you hadn't noticed he really messes up the Feng Shui in here too!


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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/29/2011 11:58:36 PM   
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He was an economics professor before becoming an Army medic, serving in Nam.


Like you were a gynecologist before you were a pedophile. Why is it necessary for you to lie constantly?


Yeah, and if you hadn't noticed he really messes up the Feng Shui in here too!



Feng Shui? Is that the smell rising from the old pig farms in Secaucus?

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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/30/2011 12:37:22 AM   
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Smart entrepeurs would be figuring out what China's massive middle class is gonna want in 10 to 20 years.  Harleys and Fender Stratocasters and vacations.  First time in history an ASSLOAD of people will suddenly have extra money.  People that have never had it before in their lives.  I'm thinking of making a dude ranch in Texas (where I'm from originally) custom tailored to the Chinese.  Market it over there.  Also, pets.  When poor nations begin to do better, people get pets.  Pet supplies would be a good investment there.  American beer, micro brew type stuff, will probably sell.
Given the current level of industrial pollution in China, I suggest air and water filters.


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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/30/2011 2:56:18 AM   
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Well Damn! As a guy who owns small businesses, consults to small businesses and sometimes(ok a lot more lately) LIQUIDATES small businesses, the caller could have been ME or any of 100 or so people I know, The costs of doing business, a lack of available buyers, the destruction of local economies the mindset that NO PRICE IS LOW ENOUGH, makes life tough! We have more availability of product by a huge amount than when I started in the industry, we have a huge variety of vendors, most either direct importers or distributors of products made in Asia, no more waiting, it's available TODAY! Demand for the products because of uncertainty, unemployment and overall fear is killing some very good retailers.
In time, I believe I will become a full-time liquidator of others businesses, I am good at it, and there is a demand for that service, it's an ugly but highly profitable business, I just hope it doesn't become my full time profession!

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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/30/2011 8:35:13 AM   
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Well Damn! As a guy who owns small businesses, consults to small businesses and sometimes(ok a lot more lately) LIQUIDATES small businesses, the caller could have been ME or any of 100 or so people I know, The costs of doing business, a lack of available buyers, the destruction of local economies the mindset that NO PRICE IS LOW ENOUGH, makes life tough! We have more availability of product by a huge amount than when I started in the industry, we have a huge variety of vendors, most either direct importers or distributors of products made in Asia, no more waiting, it's available TODAY! Demand for the products because of uncertainty, unemployment and overall fear is killing some very good retailers.
In time, I believe I will become a full-time liquidator of others businesses, I am good at it, and there is a demand for that service, it's an ugly but highly profitable business, I just hope it doesn't become my full time profession!


Should be a good place to be for the next 4 years or so....2 years of what were viable businesses folding, and then 2 years of poorly funded startups after the economy turns around.

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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/30/2011 10:44:34 AM   
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Smart entrepeurs would be figuring out what China's massive middle class is gonna want in 10 to 20 years.  Harleys and Fender Stratocasters and vacations.  First time in history an ASSLOAD of people will suddenly have extra money.  People that have never had it before in their lives.  I'm thinking of making a dude ranch in Texas (where I'm from originally) custom tailored to the Chinese.  Market it over there.  Also, pets.  When poor nations begin to do better, people get pets.  Pet supplies would be a good investment there.  American beer, micro brew type stuff, will probably sell.
Given the current level of industrial pollution in China, I suggest air and water filters.

No kidding.  That reminds me of an old old episode of The Simpsons, Patty and Selma had become millionaires and someone asks Marge how that happened and she goes "they invested in tear gas, right before society fell apart". 



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RE: Small business owner says consumption = job creation - 7/30/2011 10:52:03 AM   
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Smart entrepeurs would be figuring out what China's massive middle class is gonna want in 10 to 20 years.  Harleys and Fender Stratocasters and vacations.  First time in history an ASSLOAD of people will suddenly have extra money.  People that have never had it before in their lives.  I'm thinking of making a dude ranch in Texas (where I'm from originally) custom tailored to the Chinese.  Market it over there.  Also, pets.  When poor nations begin to do better, people get pets.  Pet supplies would be a good investment there.  American beer, micro brew type stuff, will probably sell.
Given the current level of industrial pollution in China, I suggest air and water filters.

No kidding.  That reminds me of an old old episode of The Simpsons, Patty and Selma had become millionaires and someone asks Marge how that happened and she goes "they invested in tear gas, right before society fell apart". 





Which just proves that SouthPark does political a lot better than the Simpsons!


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