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HannahLynHeather -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/28/2011 11:11:39 PM)
well for one, i've never fucking heard a guy whining about how this soap or that soap stung his balls. have you? didn't fucking think so. as much as you may find it unfair, there is a fucking difference between our groins. ours is a lot more sensitive. and so what if it's an unnecessary product. do you use antiperspirant? totally fucking unneeded as well.

LadyPact -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/28/2011 11:24:35 PM)
Sorry. I just can't say puppet pussy cats offend Me. Maybe I have less sensitivity on the matter after being exposed to the Muppets at a young age. I blame Jim Henson.

SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/28/2011 11:47:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather what do you find offensive about it? Oh jeez, I'm not sure I can list everything. Here are the highlights in no particular order. The disembodiement of the vagina from the rest of the woman and its subsequent objectification. Sorry, my vag is not an entity in its own right. It's part of a whole person. The implication that there is nothing of substance about a woman and that the only thing of value is her vagina. Because of course there's nothing else about a woman that could be valuable...like her brain. The equation of a woman's worth to the value men place on her vagina. The supposition that women have no agency over their own sexuality and just wait around passively for men to fight and die so they know who to have sex with. The ridiculous notion that the vagina is "the cradle of civilization." Uh...no. Just no. There are a whole lot more complex systems involved with conception and gestation, never mind child-rearing, before we ever get to anything remotely approaching civilization. The assertion that vaginas need to be cleaned and deodorized with artificial chemicals because they are dirty, smelly or otherwise less than appealing. Playing up that stereotype and preying on the culturally ingrained fear of being dirty in order to market a product that has been demonstrated to upset the pH balance of a healthy vagina, thus increasing the likelihood of developing an odor-causing infection. And thereby increasing the perception that vaginas smell bad which means they need to be cleaned and deodorized with artificial chemicals. Preying on the insecurities of teen and pre-teen girls (by running it in front of Harry Potter) in order to create a younger marketing demographic and create a longer-lived customer base, plus reinforcing the culturally approved propaganda of vagina = smelly for (pre)teen boys so they will carry on the stereotype and strengthen the insecurity of their female peers who will presumably purchase the product.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 12:13:11 AM)
sorry it took so long to reply, the quotes got all fucked up so i had to redo it all. grrrrrrrrr! quote: The disembodiement of the vagina from the rest of the woman and its subsequent objectification. Sorry, my vag is not an entity in its own right. It's part of a whole person. didn't see it that way. they are talking about a product used to clean a vagina, so obviously they will talk about the vagina. this complaint is akin to the one when every flavour of wiitwd isn't included in a post. why aren't you equally fucking outraged at the "disembodiment" of tits in bra commercials? quote: The implication that there is nothing of substance about a woman and that the only thing of value is her vagina. Because of course there's nothing else about a woman that could be valuable...like her brain. didn't fucking see that either. they are extolling the virtues of the vagina, there was nothing in there denigrating any other part of a woman. quote: The equation of a woman's worth to the value men place on her vagina. sorry, not that either, not even slightly. sorry i haven't a clue where you pulled this from. quote: The supposition that women have no agency over their own sexuality and just wait around passively for men to fight and die so they know who to have sex with. historically pretty fucking accurate for the eras represented, but i saw it the other way round, that the men were so cunt struck they would die for a crack at it. i got the impression that she was amused by the foolishness of the men. reminded me of a domme actually. quote: The ridiculous notion that the vagina is "the cradle of civilization." Uh...no. Just no. There are a whole lot more complex systems involved with conception and gestation, never mind child-rearing, before we ever get to anything remotely approaching civilization. agreed, stupid as fuck. but offensive? no, i'm not offended by the stupidity. annoyed, but hardly offended quote: The assertion that vaginas need to be cleaned and deodorized with artificial chemicals because they are dirty, smelly or otherwise less than appealing. not offensive, no more so than the assertion that your pits stink unless you use deodorants and antiperspirants. its called marketing, create a perception of a need. they do it with tvs too, yet you don't find that offensive for some fucking reason. go figure. quote: Playing up that stereotype and preying on the culturally ingrained fear of being dirty in order to market a product that has been demonstrated to upset the pH balance of a healthy vagina, thus increasing the likelihood of developing an odor-causing infection. And thereby increasing the perception that vaginas smell bad which means they need to be cleaned and deodorized with artificial chemicals well, i haven't heard that the product actually harms a cunt or makes it smell worse. got any proof? quote: Preying on the insecurities of teen and pre-teen girls (by running it in front of Harry Potter) in order to create a younger marketing demographic and create a longer-lived customer base, plus reinforcing the culturally approved propaganda of vagina = smelly for (pre)teen boys so they will carry on the stereotype and strengthen the insecurity of their female peers who will presumably purchase the product. again, standard fucking marketing. capture your market early. they do it with everything. i don't see you being all offended by the iphone ads that target young kids. what's the fucking difference. like i said, syl, just looking for excuses to be offended. the way i see it you're upset because they are talking about vaginas, and that bugs you for some reason.

WyldHrt -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 12:22:28 AM)
I'll go with the part about playing such an ad right before Harry Potter being not a good move, but most of what you said is basic advertising, Syl. If it was a douche, I could agree about the product upsetting the pH of a healthy vagina; but the product seems to be nothing more than a bodywash aimed at the pussicular region. Am I a bad mother if I serve potatoes instead of StoveTop? Will I be magically transformed into a super model if I use Vo5 conditioner? Will my family hate me if I don't use 'Bounce' in the dryer? Will guys fall at my feet if I splash on some 'Obsession'? According to the commercials, all of the above. Advertising, particularly for products which are not needed, has always played to people's insecurities because it works.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 12:52:06 AM)
I"ll admit that I shook my head when I saw the ad that Syl mentions. I didn't spend a lot of time pondering why I didn't care for the ad, but I was immediately put off by it. I just shook my head and rolled my eyes the way I usually do when women claim to have this all powerful and all coveted pussy. Considering that all powerful vagina tended to be oppressed with the rest of the female parts that made up the entirety of 'woman' throughout history. Actually, I was somewhat offended by the latest Super Bowl ads, that implied men were emasculated by ball busting (nagging) women, and this particular product (whatever it was) was man's last bastion of independence. Which I think was insulting to both genders. All in all, I don't get offended by advertisements. I tend to not pay them a lot of attention either way. Except during the Super Bowl.

MissImmortalPain -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 1:26:49 AM)
stops laughing long enough to type a bit This reminds me a lot of the Bayer aspirin commercial on the korean flight with the american who has back pain. He mimes at the flight attendant and says "OH I'M NOT HAVING A HEART ATTACK IT'S MY BACK". She tells him (in perfect english) that it's ok it works for back pain too. A lot of people got all up in arms about how racist the commercial was and I believe Bayer pulled it. I get the point of why some people got upset, and I get the point now too. BUT...come on really. Would it be better if they showed a cranky(and I'm being kind now) woman sitting in chair saying..."Yeah, aunt flows here and I'm bitchy and bloated and craping. The last thing I want to have to worry about is a big nasty red spot on my white dress when I stand up at my hubby's dinner with his boss tonight. Look ladies we did the tests this pad is going to suck up that blood and keep you from smelling like a three day old dead pig too. So shut up and buy it" Really would that be better. Personally I would rather be called the cradle of life (cute baby) a goddess, a leader (nefertiti would be my guess) or a queen. They try to make it sound pretty and important because for the most part many women get way to touchy about it. In my opinion people are getting way to touchy about a lot of things....it's just soap they aren't talking about douches, which by the way some women do need for medical reasons. Get over it and move on. Oh just a side note....I think it would have been funnier had the "white" hand been a soccer mom. Talking about hauling around the kids and screaming at games, etcs.

Aileen1968 -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 1:56:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain Would it be better if they showed a cranky(and I'm being kind now) woman sitting in chair saying..."Yeah, aunt flows here and I'm bitchy and bloated and craping. Hahahaha. I hate when that happens.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 2:07:20 AM)
i think you two just grossed out all the fucking men who were attracted by the thread title.

MissImmortalPain -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 2:37:11 AM)
ME....I grossed out men by talking about aunt flow? Well I guess they should be happy I didn't get onto the topic of queening, squirting, or licking my ass. I mean at least most men know females bleed I can think of a lot of things I have done, or made others do, that are a lot grosser. ETA- redwings boys. All I have to say is redwings...how many of you cringed? AETA- omg it was supposed to be CRAMPING.....I should sleep one of these days [:D]

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 3:44:54 AM)
My vagina, and the rest of me, found them dumb as hell, but we (me and my vagina) could not get offended. Oh, I must run. My vagina is whispering something about cucumbers....it must want a salad!

SirPumpy -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 4:44:57 AM)
Hell I find em a bit crass but laughable, Sad thing is that for every idiotic product there has to be enough idiots out there to buy the stuff. Miss J watched em over my shoulder and just shook her head and laughed. Now if they ever market a douche that flavours pussies theyd be onto a good thing, Roast beef n Horseradish flavoured shmoo and id be at the Chemists (Drugstore) first in line! Just for a change that is.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 4:57:52 AM)
quote: it was supposed to be CRAMPING. it was that combination i was talking about vis a vis grossing them out. [:D]

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 6:13:58 AM)
i dunno, the head-bobbing, mmhmm-ing stereotype gets REALLY old. like really. but girl, you know, we can't unnastand nuthin' less it sounds like it's straight out tha ghetto!! and obviously all latino women are catholic miracle workers who crank about babies left and right. i'm surprised that one wasn't popping gum. =p good grief.

mnottertail -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 6:30:12 AM)
This is for you Peepster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ox1Tore9nw I know it ain't Snappy Dogg.........but.......

kalikshama -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 6:34:00 AM)
quote: The assertion that vaginas need to be cleaned and deodorized with artificial chemicals because they are dirty, smelly or otherwise less than appealing. Playing up that stereotype and preying on the culturally ingrained fear of being dirty in order to market a product that has been demonstrated to upset the pH balance of a healthy vagina, thus increasing the likelihood of developing an odor-causing infection. And thereby increasing the perception that vaginas smell bad which means they need to be cleaned and deodorized with artificial chemicals. While I'm with you on your sociological points, the two I quoted deserve special mention. Presumably the word on douching = bad has gotten around so now Summer's Eve has come out with wipes. Protect Your PH Balance - But Don't Douche Douching can interfere with the vagina's pH levels, reducing its acidity and setting the stage for bacterial infections. If your vagina has a strong or unpleasant odor, see your doctor; a douche will only cover up the smell without curing the problem that's causing it. Also avoid using harsh soaps or cleansers on the vulva or inside the vagina, as these also can affect a healthy pH balance.

Tantriqu -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 7:01:13 AM)
Actually yes, men do heathering whine about stinging if they've shaved or waxed, but it's not the fuzzy balls [which are the heathering equivalent to our outer fuzzy labia] which sting, it's the moist and internal parts [which on a man would be his heathering urethra], hence my heathering analogy. Whew! Using extra gerunds is exhausting! ;-) Douches are worse than useless, since the self-cleaning vagina is on all the time and no one needs them, PLUS they push stuff trying to get out right back up, PLUS they change the pH and make women more susceptible to infections. If they have to douche, they should use vinegar and water or plain live yoghurt, and if that doesn't work, see their doctor 'cuz some dude probably gave them trichomonas. Just don't give those f'ers on Madison Avenue any $$, and don't let them make you feel dirty. And the difference being that aluminum salt anti-perspirants actually heathering WORK, and perspiration + bacteria = body odour really stinks. When a shower-impaired woman walks past, especially on a packed subway where her groin is at nose-level, you likely never gag, thinking, 'Christ, her pussy reeks!', you'll reel back, thinking, 'Christ, her armpits [bacteria] made my eyes water!'. Her vagina is working perfectly! quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather well for one, i've never fucking heard a guy whining about how this soap or that soap stung his balls. have you? didn't fucking think so. as much as you may find it unfair, there is a fucking difference between our groins. ours is a lot more sensitive. and so what if it's an unnecessary product. do you use antiperspirant? totally fucking unneeded as well.

kalikshama -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 7:09:46 AM)
Summer's Eve Pulls Racist "Hail to the V" Ads Amid Backlash Summer’s Eve has removed its three “Hail to the V” commercials from its web site and YouTube channel, AdWeek is reporting, in response to a national backlash. The jive-talking black hand depicting an African-American vagina did not sit too well with the feminine products market. Nor did the saucy misrepresentation of a Latina vagina. Both reinforced racial stereotypes that ad executives assumed would be entertaining. Summers Eve in reality did a lot of offending, and ended up being mocked by “The Colbert Report.” Now that’s good branding. ...It’s utterly maddening that these culture creators could be so blithe about the perceived nature of what is stereotypical. Their complete ignorance of these issues allowed such offensive ads to make it into the public arena, harming their client and disturbing audiences. Barnett is not in a position now to call the ire they stimulated “subjective.” These opinions came from the audience they claim to want to educate. In actuality, this audience is educating The Richards Group ad firm, which made this mess, on what stereotyping is. Perhaps its leaders should shut up and listen. Another good idea: clearly apologize to women of color, hire more people of color in decision-making positions at this firm, and keep it moving.

tj444 -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 7:16:52 AM)
ewww,.. i just had a thought... imagining all the little kids out there that have seen those ads but had no clue what they are about and then going off into their little world and imitating the ads using the same talking hand puppet thing... [8\|]

mnottertail -> RE: Hello from Vagina Land? WTF? (7/29/2011 7:21:04 AM)
Hose it down. [image]local://upfiles/61037/94A20124D05F4456AF64CD80C125D166.jpg[/image]

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