At a New York political event last week, Republican and Democratic office-holders were all bemoaning President Obama’s handling of the debt-ceiling crisis when someone said, “Hillary would have been a better president.”

“Every single person nodded, including the Republicans,” reported one observer.

At a luncheon in the members’ dining room at the Metropolitan Museum of Art on Saturday, a 64-year-old African-American from the Bronx was complaining about Obama’s ineffectiveness in dealing with the implacable hostility of congressional Republicans when an 80-year-old lawyer chimed in about the president’s unwillingness to stand up to his opponents. “I want to see blood on the floor,” she said grimly.

A 61-year-old white woman at the table nodded. “He never understood about the ‘vast right-wing conspiracy,’” she said.

Looking as if she were about to cry, an 83-year-old Obama supporter shook her head. “I’m so disappointed in him,” she said. “It’s true: Hillary is tougher.”

During the last few days, the whispers have swelled to an angry chorus of frustration about Obama’s perceived weaknesses. Many Democrats are furious and heartbroken at how ineffectual he seemed in dealing with Republican opponents over the debt ceiling, and liberals are particularly incensed by what they see as his capitulation to conservatives on fundamental liberal principles.

In Connecticut, a businessman who raised money for Obama in 2008 said, “I’m beyond disgusted.” In New Jersey, a teacher reported that even her friends in the Obama administration are grievously disillusioned with his lack of leadership—and many have begun to whisper about a Democratic challenge for the 2012 presidential nomination. “I think people are furtively hoping that Hillary runs,” she said.

The son of a longtime Democratic congressman from Texas, a 73-year-old lawyer, is so enraged with Obama that he’s threatening not to vote for the 2012 Democratic ticket—the first time in his entire life that he’s contemplated such apostasy.

Among many of the 18 million Americans who supported Hillary Clinton in 2008, the reaction is simple and bitter: “We told you so.”

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

So Hillary has become a Republican wet dream heh?
Sorry guys it just ain't going to happen....Hillary,over the years,has become quite the political animal she is well aware that nothing good can come from challenging a sitting President for her parties nomination.

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

So Hillary has become a Republican wet dream heh?
Sorry guys it just ain't going to happen....Hillary,over the years,has become quite the political animal she is well aware that nothing good can come from challenging a sitting President for her parties nomination.

You may think so, but this is a different time. With the R's putting up a nice field of bible thumpers only to be challenged by some lack-luster rhetoric belchers and a mormon (nothing against mormons but lets face it he would probably only win Utah), the independents and moderate R's in this country have to be sick. I believe the Hill-dawg could run as an independent and actually win. Many D's would feel she would be an effective leader compared to O, moderate R's disgusted by their own party and admitting now Clinton 1 wasn't so bad would giver her a shot, and I's would probably be ready to flock to anything without an R or D next to it after 12 years of Bush and Obama. We are in a very partisan political cycle, and everyone in the middle has been left out in the rain. I know she is far from what most would consider an ideal independent candidate, but she has a name that works, and with the last 11 years of presidential mayhem the ability to appear independent.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


She would have no chance running as an indie. Like any other 3rd party candidate (but one on steroids) all she can do is hurt the party her policies are closest to. So, go for it Hill! (Actually Id love to see even just a primary fight. It was ugly enough last time, it would really get nasty and hurt both of them in the general)

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If she ran against Obama in the Democratic primaries, would you support her?

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

.................But Fuck No! She's as crooked as a pine beetle's dick.

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ORIGINAL: hlen5

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

.................But Fuck No! She's as crooked as a pine beetle's dick.

Thanks Icarys, I now know just how crooked pine beetle dicks are!!


http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfd/library/MPB/cerezke_1964_morphology.pdf