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Marisol -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 11:19:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hisprettybaby

Wow, lots of good ideas on this thread. Some I've even done myself.

Marisol, I peeked at your profile and you have a really neat cat there. A yellow tabby it looks like.


Ah, yes. That was our orange tabby, Archie. He passed away about a month ago. He got hit by a car, it was pretty horrific. He was a really neat guy. =] I miss him.

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
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Also, check out Amazon. Their Health & Personal Care section has some...interesting (and cheap!) products in it. :D


I will do that as well. I love ordering from Amazon so I'll do that soon.

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ORIGINAL: MaamJay
I am plus size too, and I did a WHOLE lot of bdsm before I invested in a corset! By then I knew people in My local scene who made them at reasonable prices and I got them one at a time as I could afford them. The first was especially cheap as it had been made for someone else who changed their mind about buying it ... and it was purple too! They are nice to wear out to parties etc and I do feel sexy in them BUT I find I can only do some forms of play in them without finding it too restricting. Like flogging and spanking good ... but attaching ankle cuffs and spreader bar to a sub NO GOOD as if I managed to get down that low wearing one ... I'd never get back up! So for play at home, I'd rather just wear some good lingerie (I have some lovely floaty long nightgowns with lacy bra-like tops), or maybe a low-ish cut top (the assets always turn the guys on!), and a split-sided skirt made of nice slippery smooth fabric.

As everyone else has said, LOADS of great cheap pervertables available from other stores, crops etc I second the idea of the equestrian store. They also sell that self-sticky bandage (for horses) in great colours which makes quite good bondage tape and a lot cheaper than the official stuff. Pet stores awesome for cheaper collars, leashes etc ... short check chains (sometimes called choker chains) work quite well clipped to collars used as ankle cuffs to make shackles. Kitten collars with bells attached to wrists or ankles can be fun, especially if you give the sub a task or a position and tell them you don't want to hear the bells ring (or they will get a whack every time they do etc!). Be creative! One of the most fun scenes ever was when I tied a sub's hands behind their back ... then told them to put away the shopping!

I agree with others here, refreshing to see a new Domme who is asking questions AND listening to the answers, willing to learn. Ask away Marisol!

Ma'am Jay aka violet[A]

Advice from another plus-size is always VERY welcome. The self sticky bandage tape for horses sounds very interesting! I will look in to that as well. I am hoping to get in to my local scene and hopefully I will get to know lots of people and learn if anyone in my area does them cheap.

Thank you, I appreciate you saying that. I'm trying very hard to make a good impression.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Unless your measurements are standard, I'd got for underbust corsets, I got a few overbust ones, the only ones that really fit are made to measure, with an underbust one, you don't have that problem.


They are definitely not what I would call standard. I will look in to underbust corset as well at your advice. Sounds like a much better idea.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Black leather show crops cost more. But you can pick up a neon green or bright red one for less. And they're easier to see when you're packing up.

Since you're 18, you may still be either living at home or have a roommate. I'd invest first in a numbered padlock and a cheap suitcase to keep all your stuff in. Numbered because keys are like socks in the dryer, they walk on their own!

Neon green sounds awesome! I wouldn't mind that at all.

Yes, I still live at home with my mother. She'd flip if she found this stuff, she's a bit of a drama queen. So, this is sound advice. I have been wondering what to keep my stuff in. I have this huge trunk that locks, but I can't exactly carry that with me places! Numbered is a much better idea, I am constantly losing keys. haha.
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ORIGINAL: StrikingBeauty
As LadyPact says, a collection of good quality equipment is something that you build over many years. While pervertables are nice and can fill needed niches, it IS a good idea to save up some dollars and on occasion buy a good piece, like a well made flogger or an exotic wood paddle or the like.

After 10 years, those are the pieces I still use, and I've replaced all the 'cheap but fun' early stuff I've had with better quality. But it's a process...you buy good piece, learn how to use it properly, become proficient, think about buying another piece.

I have to admit....I'm not big on investing in expensive kink wardrobe. Nice lingerie, the little black dress with a pair of heels, etc, work just fine. And again - that's a matter of keeping your eyes open, catching a good sale, etc.

There are guys out there who expect that if you call yourself a Domme, that means you have all the equipment and wardrobe of a successful Prodomme of many years, but are going to make that available for them to play with at no cost or effort on their part. Avoid men like that. They don't want a woman; they want a fetish delivery service.

The "nice boy" (for lack of a better term) male sub that you DO want to spend time with is realistic, willing to grow and learn with you, and will expect that he's going to contribute to "the collection" just as much as you are.

Oh, I'd definitely at some point like to have few very good quality pieces. But since I am just learning now and need experience it will probably be a better idea for me to get started on other stuff.

I'd definitely later like to have nice quality pieces, and I'm sure I will as I get older, get a better job, and learn more.

Yeah, that's the problem I'd been finding with men contacting me here. They say "We don't want a prodomme", but then they expect an 18 year old, college student who works as a childcare provider to be able to afford all these toys. Just what are they thinking?!

I'll make sure to avoid them, and hopefully I will have someone who is willing to learn, grow and acquire more and more of these naughty toys with me.


As always, thank you all for your words of wisdom and valuable advice. I am grateful.





JWriter -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 8:21:26 PM)

You know what? There is a great alternative to being a financial domme or being without toys. It's that after you get to know someone, in a nice few public meetings, you casually mention, "Gee, I'd love to take you .." wherever it is .." and, crop your...." whatever you'd like to crop "and, give you some welts to remember me by, but, unfortunately, I just don't seem to have a crop." Or, "Let's go get some lingerie for me to tease you by wearing."

There is no reason to feel bad, because you are allowing a man who wants to buy you things to buy you things that are going to please the both of you.





LadyPact -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 8:48:13 PM)

Just a few random thoughts here.  I always caution folks about attempting to compile these huge collections from jump street.  You really don't need it.  Not to mention, you miss out on half of the fun that way.

The first flogger I ever bought was at this hole in the wall that was under the Poor Richard's name in Colorado Springs.  Frankly, it was a cheap piece of crap that probably wasn't even worth the twenty-five bucks we spent on it.  I didn't care.  It was fun as hell!  I got to cut My sadistic teeth on it and that's all it had to be to serve it's purpose.  I didn't know crap about quality back then.  I hit people with it and it made pretty marks.

I had that toy for eight years until it fell apart.  One of the few that I've actually 'retired' in My lifetime.  I never cared that it was a piece of shit.  It made for great memories.




Lockit -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 8:49:24 PM)

In response to Jwriter... that Lady Pact got in there before I could post! lol

Or without the manipulation and tricky promises, you could flat out ask him to buy some things so you could play.

Now, don't go thinking I don't understand the ways of a woman and a dominant woman at that and that I won't tease and play with my man... but no way am I setting the stage to be able to say... baby, hot ass baby... oh I want to whip, crop and beat on your hot body. (Now that I have gotten you to a certain point... I can work you, entice you to purchase things that I of course get to keep when you are long gone.) Now if you want your hot baby mistress to do all those wonderful things to you, you will have to go buy this and that so I can make you feel good!

NO! Speak honestly. That gains respect. Darlin, I don't have the money to buy a crop/paddle/saftey gadgets and I cannot do what those things take. I can afford this much, would you like to put something in the pot to sweeten our time together? Of course all insertables will go with whomever they were inserted in. The other things we can discuss so that it is a fair exchange if we don't continue to play.

He doesn't feel taken, he knows you have been honest without the playing on his whatever and respects you. After you are more than just meeting someone and have moved into a deeper relationship or situation, then you can go to those other places or if the kink is to take, promise the world, make them beg and provide what you want. If not... go the honest route. You may lose a few that want games, but you will rarely run into a submissive man that can say you cheated him, used him or took advantage of him and he would show respect even if he is not with you.

If you want to play on the kinky aspects of financial domination and such... go there... If not, don't meet some guy and set his ass up to get him to buy you things or gift you... on the promise or trade off of kinky things.




LadyAngelika -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 9:00:15 PM)

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I'm not going to get into the semantic issue of dominant v. top here... but part of dominance is controlling YOURSELF. Work on yourself, study, get a job, pay your bills on time, be an EXAMPLE that others will want to follow. This does not require wealth, just a sense of personal responsibility. I am a dominant everywere, it's how I carry myself, and how I live my life. It has NOTHING to do with playing and everything to do with leadership.


This is pretty much how I view things as well. If you don't have your life in order, I'm not so sure how you can be a leader and/or take charge in your relationship.

Of course, as LadyH mentioned, there is is a difference between wanting to be in charge sexually, which is a temporary form of dominance (being on top) and being in charge of a dynamic, which is an ongoing form of dominance (being a dominant). The former probably doesn't require the same level self-actualization.

You shouldn't expect perfection of yourself, however you should set yourself some leadership goals and draw yourself a path of continuous improvement.




Tantriqu -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 9:08:17 PM)

I agree, that passive-aggressive whiny spoilt brat 'buy me a pwesent' stuff sets my teeth on edge.

Also, as you've mentioned on other threads, if you have issues, sexual or otherwise, go for counselling and deal with them first. Don't date damaged goes for both sides of the kneel. So be honest with your partner, at least about finances and your being a newbie. Make sure you like people in general and your partner specifically, and can communicate easily, before you try something as intimate as BDSM. As a domme, you are responsible for your partner's safety and well-being, and you don't want to be going ballistic on someone's ass who doesn't deserve it. You have to be in control, literally, so don't pick up a crop until you know you're not going to have a 'Nam flashback on some poor trusting guy's ass. I always ask a potential sub if they have any history of physical or sexual abuse or trauma before I do certain things to them; I would think it only fair to offer the same info about myself, too.




Lockit -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 9:14:19 PM)

Hijack just to say... It's good to see you Lady Angelika!!!




LadyAngelika -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 9:15:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Hijack just to say... It's good to see you Lady Angelika!!!


Good to see you too, Lockit!! :)




DarkSteven -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 9:17:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marisol

Yeah, that's the problem I'd been finding with men contacting me here. They say "We don't want a prodomme", but then they expect an 18 year old, college student who works as a childcare provider to be able to afford all these toys. Just what are they thinking?!



They have a fantasy.  It's your job to bring them down to reality.

I have known subs who have toys.  It's not only Dom/mes that own them.  And in the case of insertables, it makes more sense to have the submissive own them.

So, ask them what toys they have.  A bonus is you get to try a lot of things out to see how you like them, before (if) you buy.




Lockit -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 9:22:15 PM)

Tantriqu brings up a couple of great points! If you have ever seen someone with post traumatic stress, go off, you will want to be sure that you prepare and know a bit or have assistance with the situation if it happens.

I had a submissive that had toys that I had never used. They sat there until I could practice with them. No way was I using something I was unskilled in that could have done either of us some damage. God... the thought of me with a whip is a darn right scary thing! lol




JWriter -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 9:23:18 PM)

In response to Lockit:

I wasn't talking about manipulation or tricky promises. I was talking about telling the truth and expecting him to be the submissive he is, as she is being the dominant she is, and, how well that's likely to work out, without it being about going pro domme.

It would be ever so lovely if some of the women on this forum would stop adding to my words, twisting them, and, then lightly dipping them in bullshit before trying to serve them back to me.

Just a thought!




Lockit -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 9:37:05 PM)

Okay, you just had to go there. Your words are bolded... mine are not and will be within some ().

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ORIGINAL: JWriter

You know what? There is a great alternative to being a financial domme or being without toys. (Right here it may not be clear as to who gets to keep those toys and lingerie, but unless he likes wearing lingerie, I would assume it is you.) It's that after you get to know someone, in a nice few public meetings, you casually mention, "Gee, I'd love to take you .." wherever it is .." and, crop your...." whatever you'd like to crop "and, give you some welts to remember me by, but, unfortunately, I just don't seem to have a crop."  (That is manipulative and promising an outcome if he only takes the bait to go be a... what did you call it... a submissive and what was it.. do what a submissive does... like buy things for play. I say manipulative because of your last sentence. 'I just don't seem to have a crop.') Or, "Let's go get some lingerie for me to tease you by wearing."

There is no reason to feel bad, because you are allowing a man who wants to buy you things to buy you things that are going to please the both of you. (No reason to feel bad if someone buys you something, but what about you enticing him to buy you things? {Just a note.. a gift isn't something you ask for unless it is Christmas, you're sitting on Santa's lap and he asks you what you want.} That is honest? That isn't manipulative? If it is honest in your opinion and no reason to feel bad... you and I live different ethics and surely have a different view/opinion on many things. Now... lets address the gift thing again. A gift is something you keep, so therefore, this proves my first comment and who gets the goods. Another point... who says that what a submissive does, is buy you things?)






LadyAngelika -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 9:42:33 PM)

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{Just a note.. a gift isn't something you ask for unless it is Christmas, you're sitting on Santa's lap and he asks you what you want.}


I feel this way as well. I was taught that we never, ever ask for gifts. Ever.

On the other hand, if I want a man to buy me something, I simply say: procure this for me please. No passive, just assertive!




Lockit -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/30/2011 9:43:17 PM)

LOL.. there you go!




VaguelyCurious -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/31/2011 12:22:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JWriter

It would be ever so lovely if some of the women on this forum would stop adding to my words, twisting them, and, then lightly dipping them in bullshit before trying to serve them back to me.

If a range of different people consistently come away from your words with the same negative impression that you didn't intend, it might be time to consider the idea that it's not down to them twisting anything - it's down to you and your presentation.

Generally when I talk on these forums, what people hear from me is pretty close to what I'm trying to say. You're obviously not having the same experience. I don't think it's Lockit you should be blaming for that.

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ETA a bit of further answer to the question:

If you take the time to get to know someone as a real life, in-person friend/partner and then explain straight out (with none of the 'I could be doing all these things to you but woe is me I just need you to do this one little thing for me first' spiel) that you simply can't afford [xyz] and ask them to chip in if those things appeal to them, then generally they will. You're 18 - nobody with enough of a grip on shared reality to meet you for a coffee is going to be surprised that you can't afford really expensive toys.

The other thing to realise is that all this gear is just that - useful gear. As in useful, but not actually necessary.

If you haven't got long nails, let them grow a little - mine are only just past the ends of my fingertips (maybe 1mm of white above the nailbed) and I can raise bright red marks.

Teeth, you have them. Use them! Bite the same spot over and over and you end up with a massive great mark that will be fun to poke and play with.

Mental bondage can be just as much fun as physical bondage. Put your hands there and keep them there or I'll stop! Use tissue paper in place of cuffs - if they break the tissue paper there'll be trouble. Or make them hold a penny against the wall with their nose and go to town with the tickling/spanking (but check that they don't flail when tickled first, or you might end up with a bloody nose that will be entirely not their fault because that shit is involuntary.) They'd better not let that penny fall!

The above could take you hours. The cost? Some tissue paper and a penny.

BDSM gear is useful gear. But it's all bells and whistles really - the important thing is two (three, four...n) people in a room and the energy between them. That is both free and priceless.

(Was that last bit too corny? [8D])




frazzle -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/31/2011 9:56:35 AM)

Another cheap and cheerful, is a pinwheel. Mine i got on ebay for less than $2 (yes im on an american keyboard, how do i change it).

Im still not sure if i love or hate the damn thing.

I did like the phone call fom my son asking, do i really want to know what you bought this for. His g.f was in the back ground saying dont ask.[:D]




DesFIP -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (7/31/2011 2:02:22 PM)

Marisol, I don't know if you have a car of your own or if you have to borrow your mom's. If the one you drive is only driven by you, then put the locking suitcase in the trunk of the car. Park at the far end of the grocery or mall lot and reorganize in peace. I never go into the trunk of my kids' cars unless they ask. And I never drive those cars willingly unless mine's in the shop at which point they're usually driving me to and from to drop it off and pick it up and we stop off at the store en route.

I have enough stuff to do that snooping through their room doesn't appeal. If they keep the room clean. If dishes are missing, then yes I'm checking their stuff, looking under the bed and desk. If they don't want me to do that, then they need to bring all kitchenware back to the kitchen and throw out the garbage.

If you keep your room clean, to a mother's standards, not to your own and you do your own laundry, then you will have your privacy. Act like a kid, then be treated like one. You don't get it both ways.




Cougar4cub -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (8/7/2011 5:01:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Dollar store sleep masks, leashes, collars, dog bowls and costumes, stationery store binder clamps, Army/Navy [how I miss that store!] snake bite kits, lanyards, rope, and grommets for make-your-own restraints and leatherwear, Salvation Army thrift store silk ties [ugly colours, but as above, who cares what they're bound to the bedposts by if they're wearing a dollar store sleep mask?], and my prized bargain, a long narrow 80's mirror in tubular steel: now imagine a good man on his hands and knees over it: I can watch his face and other reactions as I do things to him with my more expensive toys!



OMG a mirror.........that just gave Me the loveliest visual. Never thought of that!!! Thanks for sharing everyone!!!




hausboy -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (8/7/2011 5:28:36 PM)

Marisol

One practical bit (no pun intended, I swear) on your way to the tack shop-- "panic snaps".  In the tack shop, you may also find them called "quick release snaps" or "lead snaps".  The tack shop will sell them significantly less than a BDSM shop.  Got mine there, along with plenty of nice crops, whips and while it wasn't my "thing", I did eye up the bits and halters....

As for your original question--  absolutely NO, wealth does not equal Domme.

Many moons ago, I used to do formal table service with a literally seven boy/boi team, for a local Domme.  She had a studio efficiency apartment in Oakland the size of a large broom closet.  In addition, she worked hard for a living, and earned enough to pay the rent for that little broom closet.  But she fancied Victorian scenes, and loved to hosted elaborate formal dinner parties. 

Together, we toiled through pawn shops, 2nd hand shops, Goodwill, Salvation Army etc. to find clothing, scraps of fabric, old serving trays, cloth napkins, silver/pewter serving items etc.  It took some time, but in the end, she had a formal table setting for 8, plus three serving trays and utensils, one for each footman.  Nothing truly matched, but she was a master of illusion.  Each boy/boi had a responsibility to locate a plain white, starched shirt, a black bowtie, a black belt, black pants and black socks/shoes.

She found a local sub who was a professional sous chef who created a phenomenal 7-course meal....a local Domme (all the dinner guests were Dommes) did the formal invitations and the menu (the calligraphy was spectacular), and the one boi who owned a car (a rarity in S.F.) was our chaffeur and doubled as the dishwasher once all the guests arrived.

My point to all this?  She was, bluntly, quite poor.  As were all of us.  Yet when you stepped into that tiny apartment, she transformed it...and the boys in it...and I swear to you, I never felt like I was serving in a studio apt.  It felt like we were in the wealthiest chateau in North Valley, right down to the oyster forks.  Those were some of my fondest memories as a servant, and proof that you are only limited by the boundaries of your own creative forces.

edited for typo




paulmcuk -> RE: worthy of the lifestyle? (8/8/2011 1:08:55 PM)

Speaking for myself, I certainly don't feel that a Domme needs lots of outfits and toys. Not knocking latex and rubber - they look great - but they do inject a sense of unreality. Like, "Ok, we're in costume so let's play. I'll be the Domme and you be the sub". I tend to prefer a more natural-feeling, non-fetishised form of domination in normal clothes (which can still be sexy) and in a domestic rather than dungeon setting.

A few toys are fine and a cane, whip or bit of rope don't cost much (and canes and rope don't have to be got from a fetish shop). If you don't have a whip, a leather belt works just as well.

Finally, of course, there's no reason a sub should expect a non-pro Domme to be fully equipped and if he wants to play he should be happy to provide some items himself.




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