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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 6:38:32 AM   
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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 6:52:39 AM   
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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 7:19:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

Ok. Lets see. I define a relationship as any situation where two people (or more) interact on a regular basis. That said, I can have online relationships, but I kinda have a problem with online slavery-mainly because vacuum tubes and microchips aren't fun to fuck.
And hey, when you cram your cock against the monitor too hard, the glass tends to break and that's mighty painful-picking splinters out of the old Johnson. So no, I ain't about anything online. I like to taste her flesh, kiss her tears, feel her twitch at a touch, smell her wetness, watch the fear/want/need/ohmygodisthatbastardabouttodothattome sweat drip down her thigh-none of which can happen online.
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Meanwhile, I have a neighbour who I say hello to regularly, she borrows my lawnmower from time to time. But I'd never dream of going to her and saying "fuck me, I've had a shitty day..."

C'mon dude, sack up and hit that :-)



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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 7:49:44 AM   
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For me being online is simply a way to gather information and to waste time...nothing more. Can't see what I'd gain from online slavery. What services would I provide a dom online? Write his research paper for class?



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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 7:53:34 AM   
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Way back when, when I was but a mere young woman, I thought people only fantasized about this thing we call D/s and M/s.  I had no idea people actually lived it in person. I began an online relationship that lasted a pretty long time. It wasn't just about sex and "mutual masturbation" - this guy controlled what I did in my every day life. We spent hours on the phone every day, and what I felt - about him, about what I was doing, about my submission, was very real.

The only thing lacking was physical presence.  Today, physical presence would be a huge thing for me to lack in an intimate relationship.  Having experienced what I have, I would not go back to online only.  It simply wouldn't be fulfilling for me. But it doesn't mean what others feel in their online relationships isn't real.

I have friends I've met online whom I have never met in person, and they have touched and influenced my life in a major way.  These friends are very real to me, and the feelings and respect I have for them is very real.  But friendship is different than an intimate relationship, and in an intimate relationship I need the total connection - touch, smell, visual, and being in his presence. 

Right now he & I are sort of LDR in that we're a little over an hour apart so we aren't with each other as much as we'd like to be.  But we move forward with the goal of living together and sharing our lives together.  The fulfillment I get in being in each other's presence doesn't come close to matching what I felt a million years ago in the online relationship I had.  But we all start somewhere, and who am I to discount what someone else is doing and feeling and experiencing by minimizing it?  It works for them - it's where they need to be, for whatever reason.  I wouldn't do it again, personally, but that doesn't mean it's NOT the right path for someone else, at that particular point in their lives.


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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 7:55:03 AM   
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What services would I provide a dom online? Write his research paper for class?
How about change your diet, stop smoking, change the kind of clothes you wear, go to bed at a decent time, as applicable. None of these require being with the dominant. Yes person to person is better but sometimes there is no choice at least on the short term. Of course I'm talking about a relationship where one will eventually move to be with the other.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 7:58:07 AM   
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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 8:02:35 AM   
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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 8:07:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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What services would I provide a dom online? Write his research paper for class?
How about change your diet, stop smoking, change the kind of clothes you wear, go to bed at a decent time, as applicable. None of these require being with the dominant. Yes person to person is better but sometimes there is no choice at least on the short term. Of course I'm talking about a relationship where one will eventually move to be with the other.

Zeph



Of course, that's if you're choosing to take it to the next level in real life. I did those things while still long distance from Master but if I knew there was no chance of us ever meeting in person I just could not see the reason for any of it unless you're extremely bored.



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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 8:24:33 AM   
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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 8:41:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me, anything which real people do is "real". How can it be otherwise? To call "online slavery" unreal is to deny reality.

That being said, it is vastly different than LDR slavery which is, in turn, vastly different than cohabitation slavery. For me personally, I get some muted satisfaction out of online slavery but honestly it is not even remotely the same thing as my ownership of Carol. It is, to me, a muted shadow of that. But for some people that's the solution which fits their needs of the moment and I'm all for solutions which work.

CrazyML said: I guess on your definition of "reality" and we just don't have the time to nail that question (I'd been fucking with the heads of philosophers for thousands of years after all).
And more recently... theoretical physicists. Honestly, if Stephen Hawkings is confused about it then I think I'll just take a pass on that one :) I'm not smart enough to solve it.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 8:43:30 AM   
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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 8:49:24 AM   
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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 8:50:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Epytropos

Meh. It's not for me, but then neither are a lot of things. Why must everything be "real" or "true" or else "fake?"



For me, the main reason people seems to have the conflict on whether or not online relationships are "real" versus "fake" is because most people in the BDSM culture seem to trow the word "real" around in a context to which it does not apply.

One of the main definitions of the word "real" is: actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.

When somebody engages in an online relationship, that online relationship is actually in existing, it's occurring, and it's not imagined at all.
That means it's "real", especially seeing that, because of the very nature of what an online relationship is, there doesn't have to be physical contact for it to exist, occur or not be imagined.

Just like cyber sex is "real", because when people engage in cyber sex, that cyber sex is actually occurring, and is not imagined, again because the very nature of cyber sex dictates that there is no physical contact.

However, in both cases, they are not equivalent to an actual physical relationship.

It's the lack of equivalency to physical relationships that most people try to express when they state that an online relationship isn't "real".
This is silly, because the fact that something isn't equivalent to something else doesn't imply it doesn't exist, or is imagined.

So yes, online relationships do "really" exists, and they can be gratifying to people for a number of reasons. However, the fact that online relationships are real doesn't mean that they can be compared to offline relationships, precisely because the prerequisites needed to speak of an offline relationship are different from those needed for an online relationships.

The fact that apples and oranges are different things, that should be quantified and compared in different ways, doesn't mean either of them doesn't "really" exist. It just means that they are not each other's equivalent.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 9:22:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

the day my online slave washes my dishes is the day i'll consider it anything more than a fucking masturbatory aid.


Amen to that! Except the masturbatory aid bit, as I don't even want them for that. I've said this basic thing before, though, only to be told - by many people of different degrees of D/s (or claiming to be) - that a Mistress should never expect to use her slaves as workers. That's just lazy.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 9:30:37 AM   
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only to be told - by many people of different degrees of D/s (or claiming to be) - that a Mistress should never expect to use her slaves as workers. That's just lazy.
and those people are just fucking stupid. i mean that's half the fucking point. i don't have to wash dishes or mop floors, i have a fucking slave to do that shit for me. i mean, yeah, i love the fuck out of the little slut, totally adore her in every way, but she has a fucking job to do around here, and that's to make my life better. and part of better is that i don't get dishpan hands.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 9:46:11 AM   
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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 9:58:16 AM   
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Online, by its very nature, involves a relationship that can be turned on and off.  Now you see my Dominance, now you don't.  I consider that incompatible with the depth required for my definition of slavery.

That was very well said Steven.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 10:15:37 AM   
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Anyway... I think some people prefer strictly online because it's less personal, thus less awkward. I know thats the way I'd look at it if I was single.

However, my own situation is a bit unfortunate :p My current Dom and lover is someone I met on a gaming forum we both frequent. We're both nerds you could say. But we started as an online friendship, then I realized I liked him(yes it's possible to develop feelings for someone online :p )
Then it took us a year before we finally met, and our relationship changed it's status from "wishful" to "real" in my head.  He lives in the states, and I live in Denmark. We meet any long holiday we can, and those months are gold to me.

Anyway, I don't feel my submission to him is any less real online than it is offline. We don't really "webcam". Not always. But I do what he tells me to. Be that something painful, or humiliating.. THen I tell him about it. We trust each other fully, even though it's online.

But for me, there Is a difference between online and offline. Obviously I feel way happier being with him irl :) Online can sometimes make me doubtful and nervous. I cant really see his body language or hear the tone of his voice. Sometimes he becomes a pixels in my head, and I have trouble imagining what he looks like. It's quite painful sometime, cos I miss him so damn much ._.
But I'm really grateful too. Because despite this obstacle, we've stuck with each other and fought for each other.
SO yea. Online doesn't make it any less real. My feelings for him as just as strong when Im separated than when I'm with him.

But I do think that people DO use online to make their experiences a bit less 'real' and thus easier to cope with.


Oh also... Some of the best friendships Ive developed, have been online friendships... I don't know if that makes me sad :p


Anyway good news is that this is my last year of school, and we can finally focus on moving together ^^

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/30/2011 10:30:46 AM   
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Hi.

There's such a difference of opinion on if online slavery is real slavery or if it's only real if it's in person


I guess it depends on how you define slavery and how you define real.

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yet there's so many slaves that like being dominated online


Again, definitions....how do you define the word dominate? Is dominance something you are or something you do?

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We're all even online now as we read this forum.


And your point is? I'm typing on a real keyboard and my words are coming up on a real screen. Does that make me any thing more than just another person who can type? The words I read on these forums...they may be real but are they real, in that the meaning behind them is believable? I don't know because I haven't met most of the folks who post here. We could all just be board anti-social misfits pretending to be "dominant" and/or "submissive" just so we can have an outlet for our imaginations. Or.......maybe not.

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So what's your opinion? Do you like online slavery like we do or do you only like it in person, and why?


My opinion is simple....much like doubting Thomas, I need to touch the nail holes.

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