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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 3:34:37 AM   
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the day my online slave washes my dishes is the day i'll consider it anything more than a fucking masturbatory aid.


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i've done online, it was hot, it was fun, i came like a fucking bitch in heat. but in the end it was just me and my dildo staring at a screen.


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you go ahead and lie to yourself about it if it makes you feel better, but it is just fucking...and if a person is alone when they do it they are jerking off.


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way down in your most primitive self, where there are only three drives. eat, survive, fuck. you are driven to eat so you can survive, and you are driven to survive so you can fuck. fucking is the prime directive, its your sole biological purpose.

that's where your submission lives, that's where my dominance lives, it's where all of wiitwd lives. and its not eating, its not surviving, so it has to be fucking.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 3:35:41 AM   
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...others say if it's in the mind but not also physical, then it's not real.



I was hungry... I closed my eyes and saw a juicy, cheese, mushroom, and onion smothered hamburger in my mind and envisioned eating it -- and yes, I pigged out on the cheese-paper too.  Then I opened my eyes... I was still hungry.



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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 6:23:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's largely a question of opportunity cost: I would cyber in a heartbeat, I just wouldn't pass up a living breathing female for it.

But that's just me, plenty of married people cyber, and clearly, they are getting something out of it they aren't getting in their relationship, which doesn't necessarily mean it's a "bad" relations either - technically, it's roleplay, it's a sex RPG it's just that unlike porn or romance novels, it's interactive.

Fascinating stuff, if you ask me, and the question at this point seems to be: is it sex? Depends on who you ask, but as sex, it's offers a lot fewer complications than the real thing - whether that's a good thing or a bad things, is again, a question for the individual.

It's a product of the age, people work, money's tight, they dont' get out as much as they would like, and culture is highly balkanized - unless you know a specific club where kinksters hang out, you run the risk of being mobbed by shocked vanillas, or something if you bring it up, much easier to find like minds on the interwebz where proximity is not an issue, and, you can only talk about the weather for so long.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 7:42:44 AM   
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What is it that makes people want D/s appear to be the holy grail and ultimately "better" than S&M?
"My way is the only way" is utter bollocks and just makes you look dumb
sweet shuddering fuck how naive.
IF you have to defend your own choices by putting others down for theirs, you arent doing a very bloody good job of it and should quit being holier or domlier, subblier or whatever than anyone else

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 8:02:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		In real life, when Himself orders me to make him a cake, it makes me feel like crap. He's diabetic. Being ordered to do things which I know are bad for him, which I would never do if I were simply his wife and not collared to him is the M/s part. I am not willing to pay the consequence of disobedience though. So I obey. It's not about fucking. I don't feel all sexy. I don't get horny. I don't make that cake wearing nothing but a frilly apron and 5" heels. If 'you' think it's all about fucking, have at it. In my opinion you are missing a large part of the picture where authority and obedience actually matter and it doesn't always lead to wet pussy and hard cock.

I still think you'd be way better off at eHarmony or Match.com. That's not an insult by the way but a genuine observation that you don't seem to have an interest in anything other than fucking so I'm not sure why you are on a BDSM board where fucking is not even a requirement if folks don't want it. The M/s relationship is where the authority gets set and the BDSM part is the fun part and if the BDSM went away tomorrow, we (Himself and I) would still have so much more to offer each other. I enjoy it and I would miss it if it were gone but it's not the be all end all. We already have had to curtail a lot of our activities because of age and illness so I would adapt.

And I do get it. You don't like some of the activities of BDSM. That's all well and good, but they aren't the M/s part. Attend a sun dance. Go to a Kali festival or partake of something bigger than yourself simply for the joy or education of it. Yes, I indulge in ritual blood-letting. It's an act that links me to my past ancestors and is because of the tremendous value that I hold for blood and life. The blood that runs through my veins is the same blood line that ran through the veins of my mother, my grandmother and all the woman that came before me. That is an awesome concept to me. I mean, it truly boggles my mind that the line goes all the way back and through so many women.. and I am connected to all of them .. even if I don't know who they all are or even if I don't know where that may have begun. It's the blood line that feed my children when they were in my belly and when it's brought to the surface, its done so with the understanding of how precious life is and how lucky I am to be part of it. When I spill blood, its for a specific purpose. It's not a waste, it's not an act of insanity or anything remotely along those line. It a rememberance and it's rare and precious. That Himself wants to share in this with me means he gets to be part of the connection even if it's simply as the observer. This is not for validation, dude.. it's simply explanation so that other people don't read what you have to say and think that's 'all' there is out there. It's not.

You think it's all about fucking. Fine. I think it's way beyond that and in the end debate on the issue is probably futile. We both have our own way. Mine is good for me. I hope yours is equally or even half as good for you.

So, say good night, Gracie.

Good night, Gracie.






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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 9:33:09 AM   
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all this is just simply put personal preferences.....

now online play is fun for a little while but as most have mentioned at the end of the day it is you sitting alone in front of a screen creating some personal porn for each other.... hot and fun, but not that satisfying in the end.... it is also a great way for LDR to have some fun inbetween real time meetings.

now that said there is nothing better than being bound, gagged, and blindfolded with that person leaning over you breathing in your ear all the fun things they have planned for you... just as you fall for that voice, a cane comes down on your ass or they tug on the nipple clamps.... damn nothing gets the juices flowing faster than an actual encounter with someone else...

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 11:11:25 AM   
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...others say if it's in the mind but not also physical, then it's not real.



I was hungry... I closed my eyes and saw a juicy, cheese, mushroom, and onion smothered hamburger in my mind and envisioned eating it -- and yes, I pigged out on the cheese-paper too.  Then I opened my eyes... I was still hungry.




I was hungry. I prayed, meditated, contemplated the fast I was on, and I opened my spirit to nourishment.  Without eating an ounce, I opened my eyes, and was no longer hungry.

Everyone has different experiences.  None are "right" or "wrong", they simply "are." 


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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 11:12:59 AM   
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Welcome to the Wacky Waffle brigade where we all chop off our limbs and crawl around with our bloody stumps behind us and our nipples can't even drag on the floor because, well, they've been cut off, too.



OMG I haven't heard the Wacky Waffle Brigade mentioned in a long time!  Remember my chainsaw fetish?? 

Ha!  Gotta love them waffles. 

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 11:17:07 AM   
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Everything else that needed to be said was already said by Hanna and Lp.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 12:15:36 PM   
SuzeCheri


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Status: offline 		The more I think about it, the more suited for slavery, as I understand it (probably wrongly ) online seems. I don't mean it's better than an in-person slavery relationship, but that online really would work better for a slavery relationship than a vanilla one.

In an everyday relationship, the goal is intimacy and personal interaction, which is very difficult to really achieve online, so the relationship sort of has to involve a lot of fantasy. But in a slavery relationship, especially a loveless one, the aim is to give commands and have them obeyed. That works really well online, even just through email. Actually the idea of opening your email every morning to see if there is an assignment waiting for you is sort of hot, even to me.

With today's technology, especially smart phones, confirming you obeyed is beyond simple. A picture can be snapped and sent from anywhere, there isn't even any need to get home and upload it, it can be sent realtime.

So, while I think I would have to agree that it would be better face-to-face, skin-on-skin, it seems to me that online would be a viable alternative in the case of a master/slave relationship. Just my thoughts, from my outside-looking-in perspective.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 2:00:59 PM   
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...others say if it's in the mind but not also physical, then it's not real.



I was hungry... I closed my eyes and saw a juicy, cheese, mushroom, and onion smothered hamburger in my mind and envisioned eating it -- and yes, I pigged out on the cheese-paper too.  Then I opened my eyes... I was still hungry.




I was hungry. I prayed, meditated, contemplated the fast I was on, and I opened my spirit to nourishment.  Without eating an ounce, I opened my eyes, and was no longer hungry.



And a month later... you were DEAD -- from STARVATION -- because your spiritual "nourishment" didn't teach you that a "fast", by definition, is TEMPORARY.

 
Delusion: 
An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained, despite being contradicted by reality.





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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 2:12:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bita, I've got to say that I loved your post.  I had to say that first.

As for anyone who has never seen a person hit space except for when they were sexually aroused is either a) not themselves or dealing with a person who is a sadist or b) not themselves or dealing with a person who is a masochist.  Some tie that in with sexuality or being turned on but there are also those that don't.  For all of the talk here that goes with the "it's all about fucking" theme, there are a lot of primal, instinctive stuff that's being forgotten.  Pain and fear are absolutely two of these where the mind is going to process information even quicker than "let's fuck".


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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 2:35:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		just a quick note before i head out, i never said "it's all about fucking" i said "it is fucking." the whole of wiitwd is a form of sex, it is an expression of sexuality, it is rooted in the sex drive.

yes ladyp, fear and pain are processed faster, but they aren't primal motivations, they are survival tools. they are intended to help you with the 2nd motivation, that of survival.


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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 7/31/2011 10:22:15 PM   
Awareness


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Status: offline 		  Look, I really have no desire to continue a conversation with someone incapable of a coherent response.  If you can't keep up with my posts, then find someone you can successfully debate with because right now, the stupidity of your response is boring the ever-lovin' fuck out of me.

It's fucking.  The primal reason you're together is fucking.  It's the root of all erotic relationships.  That is eros, not philia, not storge, not agape, but eros.  This does not imply your moment to moment existence is about fucking.  It does imply that the root cause of the structure of your relationship is found in the masculine/feminine polarity between you and the fundamental desire for sexual interplay on multiple levels.

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I still think you'd be way better off at eHarmony or Match.com. That's not an insult by the way
  Of course it is.  People in this community constantly insult each other by implying one is more vanilla than the other.  It's a pathetic attempt at gaining power in the conversation and I find it phenomenally amusing.

The degree to which people feel the need to imply their desires are dark and twisted in this community reminds me of children trying to outdo each other.  A hierarchy of sorts with the most extreme - but not too extreme - people at the apex.  Good lord people, grow the fuck up.

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Yes, I indulge in ritual blood-letting. It's an act that links me to my past ancestors and is because of the tremendous value that I hold for blood and life. The blood that runs through my veins is the same blood line that ran through the veins of my mother, my grandmother and all the woman that came before me.
  Oh, it is not.  Blood cells have a very finite life and your blood is totally different to that of your ancestors, influenced as it is by the DNA of the male parent.  If you want to worship something, worship DNA.

Of course you won't do that, because your nonsense is all about combining the transgressive and the taboo with the spiritual  - a common technique that is well understood, although I doubt you understand how or why it works.  DNA doesn't have quite the same transgressive impact as rivulets of bright arterial life, does it?

I agree debate on the issue is futile - you really don't have the reference points or the mind space necessary to see my point of view.  And I have far too much contempt for mystical nonsense to take you seriously.


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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 8/1/2011 1:20:42 AM   
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...others say if it's in the mind but not also physical, then it's not real.



I was hungry... I closed my eyes and saw a juicy, cheese, mushroom, and onion smothered hamburger in my mind and envisioned eating it -- and yes, I pigged out on the cheese-paper too.  Then I opened my eyes... I was still hungry.





Yes, of course if your fetish is being hand fed chunks of burger then online is going to feel a little unsatisfying.

But what if your drive is to have someone else make key choices for you - how you dress, how much you study, these needs and be fulfilled from a distance surely?


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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 8/1/2011 1:22:21 AM   
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Online = Role play.

Everything else that needed to be said was already said by Hanna and Lp.


And off-line is never simply roleplay?




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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 8/1/2011 1:30:40 AM   
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C'mon dude, sack up and hit that :-)



I'm painfully shy ;-)

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 8/1/2011 2:41:32 AM   
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Look, I really have no desire to continue a conversation with someone incapable of a coherent response. 


If my conversation didn't live up to your standards of intelligent debate, there is little I can do about it. It's the best I can do with what I've got. No worries though. I won't bother you again.

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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 8/1/2011 4:07:56 AM   
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Online = Role play.

Everything else that needed to be said was already said by Hanna and Lp.


And off-line is never simply roleplay?





Not in my little corner of the world it isn't. If I needed to add "in my opinion" to my post I'm sorry. I thought everyone posting was aware we are posting things as we see them, not as we expect others to see them.



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RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery - 8/1/2011 6:06:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		fear and pain are primal motivations. responses to fear and pain and instinctive, and one of the most basic drives a living creature that can feel can have. even plants release chemicals when they're stressed due to lack of water or because they've been damaged. i have no clue why you're saying they're not primal motivations. they are there from the moment you're born, whether you're a human, a squirrel, a fish, whatever.
survival is one OVER-ARCHING need, of which reproduction, calorie-consumption, self-defense (which fear and pain motivate) and other basic needs are a part. inadequate food in the wild can screw up reproduction, so food and water are the number one need, not sex. i don't believe those needs are really all that re-arranged for humans, we just have created very comfortable schema to allow us to remove emphasis from food and put it elsewhere.

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