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Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 4:03:14 PM   
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Well, according to Match.com ... conservatives ...

As a result, Match began "weighting" variables differently, according to how users behaved. For example, if conservative users were actually looking at profiles of liberals, the algorithm would learn from that and recommend more liberal users to them. Indeed, says Thombre, "the politics one is quite interesting. Conservatives are far more open to reaching out to someone with a different point of view than a liberal is." That is, when it comes to looking for love, conservatives are more open-minded than liberals.

In other (non-Match.com) studies, it also appears that conservatives are generally happier and give more to charity as well.

What does this mean?  Anything of importance?

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 4:15:37 PM   
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Cmon, you know all it means is that conservatives are too desperate to screen out anybody. Even if she doesnt shave her armpits.

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 4:50:10 PM   
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It means not one damn thing. 

"It also appears",  reading what you wish into things again?


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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 5:49:54 PM   
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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 6:12:49 PM   
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Funny you should bring this up Firm! My sub girl is an Obama voter.

And I have to say, she has a pretty open mind...


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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 6:25:38 PM   
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Wasn't there a poll a while back that found conservatives were happier in their everyday lives than liberals ?

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 6:29:16 PM   
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Wasn't there a poll a while back that found conservatives were happier in their everyday lives than liberals ?


I dont know about polls but there have been several university studies that show that, including Harvard, and I believe Columbia (or maybe it was NYU).

Edit: Yes that one was NYU. They found that the reason was that inequality of outcomes are dwelled upon by liberals, making them unhappy, while conservatives are better able to accept inequality of outcomes as long as they perceive that there is equality of opportunity. It was an international study and they found the US happier than Europe overall for the same reasons.

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 6:34:55 PM   
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Wasn't there a poll a while back that found conservatives were happier in their everyday lives than liberals ?


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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 6:50:23 PM   
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Am I wrong to suggest that in the US the middle ground has been lost by a corrosive partisan two-party system, for example, its as if many libs want to hang cons by the gibbet?

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Funny you should bring this up Firm! My sub girl is an Obama voter.

And I have to say, she has a pretty open mind...

Sanity WTF, keep the cage locked come November 2012!!!

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 8:28:34 PM   
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No worries, shes a very good girl, and I am getting her trained.


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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/1/2011 8:38:56 PM   
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Well, according to Match.com ... conservatives ...

As a result, Match began "weighting" variables differently, according to how users behaved. For example, if conservative users were actually looking at profiles of liberals, the algorithm would learn from that and recommend more liberal users to them. Indeed, says Thombre, "the politics one is quite interesting. Conservatives are far more open to reaching out to someone with a different point of view than a liberal is." That is, when it comes to looking for love, conservatives are more open-minded than liberals.

In other (non-Match.com) studies, it also appears that conservatives are generally happier and give more to charity as well.

What does this mean?  Anything of importance?

Firm




No, it just means you are being your usual "fair and balanced" self.

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/2/2011 1:54:45 AM   
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Well, according to Match.com ... conservatives ...

As a result, Match began "weighting" variables differently, according to how users behaved. For example, if conservative users were actually looking at profiles of liberals, the algorithm would learn from that and recommend more liberal users to them. Indeed, says Thombre, "the politics one is quite interesting. Conservatives are far more open to reaching out to someone with a different point of view than a liberal is." That is, when it comes to looking for love, conservatives are more open-minded than liberals.

In other (non-Match.com) studies, it also appears that conservatives are generally happier and give more to charity as well.

What does this mean?  Anything of importance?


Tell me Firm, would you get on a ship that someone claims is 'unsinkable' for its maiden voyage when the person telling you this, ISNT boarding the ship with you? Should check how Mr. Thombre met 'the love of his life'....

...Of course you already know because you READ THE ENTIRE article, right?

Likewise, if conservatives are so 'open minded', shouldn't it be rather easy to find many of them saying that we should cut spending AND raise the taxes on the budget crisis? Since that's what the economists and mathematicians have been stating for months? And if they are so 'opened minded' shouldn't they have created a good health plan that protects all citizens from the greedy health insurance companies by finding the best solutions to the problem back in 2002? I can come up with many examples of this 'conservative open mindedness' that shows just how 'opened minded' conservatives typically seem to be on a wide range of topics (not just the budget crisis). Do you think you can come up with an equal amount of examples in which they have been? Particularly of the last three years?

BTW, which studies have stated that conservatives are more happy and give to charity than liberals? Please post them here.

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/2/2011 2:04:23 AM   
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Cmon, you know all it means is that conservatives are too desperate to screen out anybody. Even if she doesnt shave her armpits.
fuck! beat me to it, you bastard.

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/2/2011 6:19:54 AM   
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YOU dont seem to be very happy, joe

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Tell me Firm, would you get on a ship that someone claims is 'unsinkable' for its maiden voyage when the person telling you this, ISNT boarding the ship with you? Should check how Mr. Thombre met 'the love of his life'....

...Of course you already know because you READ THE ENTIRE article, right?

Likewise, if conservatives are so 'open minded', shouldn't it be rather easy to find many of them saying that we should cut spending AND raise the taxes on the budget crisis? Since that's what the economists and mathematicians have been stating for months? And if they are so 'opened minded' shouldn't they have created a good health plan that protects all citizens from the greedy health insurance companies by finding the best solutions to the problem back in 2002? I can come up with many examples of this 'conservative open mindedness' that shows just how 'opened minded' conservatives typically seem to be on a wide range of topics (not just the budget crisis). Do you think you can come up with an equal amount of examples in which they have been? Particularly of the last three years?

BTW, which studies have stated that conservatives are more happy and give to charity than liberals? Please post them here.


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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/2/2011 6:49:43 AM   
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BTW, which studies have stated that conservatives are more happy... Please post them here.


One chart:

At First Look, Conservatives Happier Than Liberals

From a larger survey:

Are We Happy Yet?

And a detailed book:

Gross National Happiness: Why Happiness Matters for America

The PEW survey came out in 2006, and many have attempted to debunk it, or rationalize it to something that says that conservatives are happy because they are either stupid or bad, but it was found that the "conservative are happier than liberals" holds true in many countries, including European ones.

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/2/2011 7:02:11 AM   
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BTW, which studies have stated that conservatives ... give to charity than liberals? Please post them here.


Just a couple of links.  There are plenty more:

Who Gives and Who Doesn't?

It turns out that this idea that liberals give more…is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election.

...

"You find that people who believe it's the government's job to make incomes more equal, are far less likely to give their money away," Brooks says. In fact, people who disagree with the statement, "The government has a basic responsibility to take care of the people who can't take care of themselves," are 27 percent more likely to give to charity.

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The second myth is that the people with the most money are the most generous. You'd think they'd be. After all, the rich should have the most to spare and households with incomes exceeding $1 million (about 7 percent of the population) make 50 percent of all charitable donations.

But while the rich do give more in overall dollars, according to the Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey, people at the lower end of the income scale give almost 30 percent more of their income.


...

Finally, the single biggest predictor of whether someone will be charitable is their religious participation.

Religious people are more likely to give to charity, and when they give, they give more money: four times as much. And Arthur Brooks told me that giving goes beyond their own religious organization:

"Actually, the truth is that they're giving to more than their churches," he says. "The religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly non-religious charities."


Conservatives More Liberal Givers

Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:

-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government.

The single biggest predictor of someone's altruism, Willett says, is religion. It increasingly correlates with conservative political affiliations because, as Brooks' book says, "the percentage of self-described Democrats who say they have 'no religion' has more than quadrupled since the early 1970s." America is largely divided between religious givers and secular nongivers, and the former are disproportionately conservative. One demonstration that religion is a strong determinant of charitable behavior is that the least charitable cohort is a relatively small one -- secular conservatives.

There is plenty more evidence, if you look.  These are just two that were high on the Google search list.

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/2/2011 7:07:53 AM   
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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/2/2011 7:12:19 AM   
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Well, according to Match.com ... conservatives ...


As a result, Match began "weighting" variables differently, according to how users behaved. For example, if conservative users were actually looking at profiles of liberals, the algorithm would learn from that and recommend more liberal users to them. Indeed, says Thombre, "the politics one is quite interesting. Conservatives are far more open to reaching out to someone with a different point of view than a liberal is." That is, when it comes to looking for love, conservatives are more open-minded than liberals.


In other (non-Match.com) studies, it also appears that conservatives are generally happier and give more to charity as well.

What does this mean? Anything of importance?



The conservatives were probably looking at the profiles of liberal chicks becuase they know that liberal chicks are more likely to put out.

Okay, seriously now...

I hate these "we're better than those other people" kind of studies. Of course, they never come out and say it that way, but that is what it amounts to. It is an early step down a very dark path.

In my experience both liberals and conservatives are closed minded... thay are just closed minded about different things. I do find liberal closed-mindedness a little more annoying, though, because liberals love to walk around proclaiming how open minded thay are. You expect conservatives to be closed minded about some things because that's the whole point of being a conservative. "This is the way we do things because this is the way we've always done things, damnit!"

As far as the capacity for love goes, no group has a monopoly on that and belief that another group lacks the capacity for love is another step down that dark path.

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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/2/2011 8:04:46 AM   
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You really dont understand conservatives do you?


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Likewise, if conservatives are so 'open minded', shouldn't it be rather easy to find many of them saying that we should cut spending AND raise the taxes on the budget crisis? No, it shouldnt since that would be bad policy

Since that's what the economists and mathematicians have been stating for months? "The" economists and mathematicians? All of them or Paul Krugman? Listen to the Obama and Dems in December. "This is not a good time to raise taxes in a recession". Whats changed since then? Things have gotten worse, thats whats changed. OF course they wouldnt admit that its almost never a good time to raise taxes, but thats besides the point. The point here is that youre misguided about what main stream economists think

And if they are so 'opened minded' shouldn't they have created a good health plan that protects all citizens from the greedy health insurance companies yeah, very open minded of you to characterize them that way

by finding the best solutions to the problem back in 2002? There is no such thing as a government best solution.

I can come up with many examples of this 'conservative open mindedness' that shows just how 'opened minded' conservatives typically seem to be on a wide range of topics (not just the budget crisis). go for it. All it will do is show your ideological blinders]

Do you think you can come up with an equal amount of examples in which they have been? Particularly of the last three years?

BTW, which studies have stated that conservatives are more happy and give to charity than liberals? Please post them here.




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RE: Who is more open to love? Cons or Libs? - 8/2/2011 8:08:05 AM   
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Why would anyone purposely ignore such interesting studies, and ignore what they have to teach us about ones self and others

Thats such a bizarre concept to me

Its not Naziism, its psychology. Its self discovery...

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The conservatives were probably looking at the profiles of liberal chicks becuase they know that liberal chicks are more likely to put out.

Okay, seriously now...

I hate these "we're better than those other people" kind of studies. Of course, they never come out and say it that way, but that is what it amounts to. It is an early step down a very dark path.

In my experience both liberals and conservatives are closed minded... thay are just closed minded about different things. I do find liberal closed-mindedness a little more annoying, though, because liberals love to walk around proclaiming how open minded thay are. You expect conservatives to be closed minded about some things because that's the whole point of being a conservative. "This is the way we do things because this is the way we've always done things, damnit!"

As far as the capacity for love goes, no group has a monopoly on that and belief that another group lacks the capacity for love is another step down that dark path.


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