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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 7:36:44 AM

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Hey, hope for you that is the case. So in light of that 320/month wouldnt you consider 250k a year to be pretty fucking rich? Can't you see where people well below that 250k a year laugh when they see people writing about marginal tax rates or worrying about paying extra taxes on an estate or investments? Its laughable.

Praise God for what you got. Look kindly on the rest of us that don't have all that.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 7:38:32 AM

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The problem is the nation is at that proverbial point of being between a rock and a hard place. Either we control our debt, or it will control us, and we're running out of options.

It's already controlling you, as the last round of congressional bickering about it proved.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 7:38:44 AM

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$250k a year is rich to me! If I had that kind of income I would have my debts paid off (including my $90K mortgage) paid off in a year!

We are currently barely making it making a combined income of $55k (that's with both my husband and I both working 40+ hours a week, plus the business I run out of my home).

We have a $90k mortgage, $20k in student loans, $7k in "other debt" (cars, credit cards, bill collections, taxes, etc) and $10k in medical/dental debt. Add up those payments every month and you will see that just with covering those bills there is barely enough left over for things like food, electricity and water. I would LOVE to break six figures! I don't even need $250k, just give me $100k and I will show you how far I can stretch it!

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 7:41:49 AM

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I had a woman at work bitching about how she owed the government money for all the thousands of dollars she made in stocks last year. She has close to a million dollars in investments and did VERY well last year, well enough that she had to pay taxes on the income.
I just couldn't believe my ears! I have a 401k, sure, I have about $30k in there, I can't even fathom a million!

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 7:45:17 AM

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I think maybe you need to get closer to 250k a year and realize it's not all yachts, massive houses, Maserati's, and parties.

250K a year around here and I have a 4000 SF house on the lake with My own boat dock and a couple of boats. Travel about anywhere and any time I want and no significant debt within 4 years.

I'd call that wealthy.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 7:51:22 AM

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Yep.
I think there's a mix of factors that leads to people on here minimising the underclass' money trouble. There's the obvious right leaning partisan thing, for a start (these scum don't have as many worries as the poor oppressed billionaires, what are they whining about), the fact that it's a pretty middle class set up (for most people living close to the knuckle, broadband and hiking up your power bill on running a computer for hours a day at home is a luxury), and rather misinformed notions from internet millionaires about what the minimum level that constitutes "comfortably well off" might be...

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 7:55:05 AM

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I think maybe you need to get closer to 250k a year and realize it's not all yachts, massive houses, Maserati's, and parties.

250K a year around here and I have a 4000 SF house on the lake with My own boat dock and a couple of boats. Travel about anywhere and any time I want and no significant debt within 4 years.

I'd call that wealthy.

Sounds like it. Maybe our perspectives differ because of the debt. Mine came from putting three kids through college long before the success started to kick in. By next year, that debt should be gone completely. Maybe I'll feel rich then. Grin.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 7:56:52 AM

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Its why the teabaggers won last november. People don't give a shit about it no more. They are more worried about where they are gonna live next year or what job they have or whether they got enough money to pay for their kids broken arm.....Must less caring about some assholes that are million and billionaires pissing and moaning over their last fucking penny.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:01:57 AM

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Let's take a poll. Did you or do you expect to lost your food stamps over this budget deal? If not, then you didn't lose on this budget deal. In fact, future generations won big time, since this is the first step towards balancing the budget and forcing Congress to live within their budget.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:05:54 AM

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Its why the teabaggers won last november. People don't give a shit about it no more. They are more worried about where they are gonna live next year or what job they have or whether they got enough money to pay for their kids broken arm.....Must less caring about some assholes that are million and billionaires pissing and moaning over their last fucking penny.

Thing is DY, I can see it from both perspectives. I didn't walk away from southern appalachia. I still live there. A lot of folks around me are in the same boat where jobs went away, didn't come back and those that found one, ended up working for a lot less. I've been blessed in a way that I've survived 3 years of layoffs, where there was at least one, sometimes as many as three layoffs in each of those years. Any one of those layoffs could have landed me in the same place, and I know it. So it's not like there's an elitist attitude here.

All I know is the fuck heads in washington aren't solving the problem. Neither side is. Neither side is willing to come down from their individual holy grails long enough to understand that the fringes driving them, those screaming the loudest, are pretty much the ones they don't need to listen to. Nor do they understand the anger. It comes from both sides too, not just one.

The bottom line is though, we're running out of options as a nation. How we got here is important, but how we're going to get out of it is more important, and I don't know the answer. I do know the routes they're pursuing ain't it.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:07:36 AM

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Let's take a poll. Did you or do you expect to lost your food stamps over this budget deal? If not, then you didn't lose on this budget deal. In fact, future generations won big time, since this is the first step towards balancing the budget and forcing Congress to live within their budget.

English is your second language or do you have wilburs cock stuck in your mouth

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:13:11 AM

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"We the people..." lost our Democratic Republic with the budget deal's creation of a "Super Congress" which doesn't answer to anyone.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:13:49 AM

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Its why the teabaggers won last november. People don't give a shit about it no more. They are more worried about where they are gonna live next year or what job they have or whether they got enough money to pay for their kids broken arm.....Must less caring about some assholes that are million and billionaires pissing and moaning over their last fucking penny.

Thing is DY, I can see it from both perspectives. I didn't walk away from southern appalachia. I still live there. A lot of folks around me are in the same boat where jobs went away, didn't come back and those that found one, ended up working for a lot less. I've been blessed in a way that I've survived 3 years of layoffs, where there was at least one, sometimes as many as three layoffs in each of those years. Any one of those layoffs could have landed me in the same place, and I know it. So it's not like there's an elitist attitude here.

All I know is the fuck heads in washington aren't solving the problem. Neither side is. Neither side is willing to come down from their individual holy grails long enough to understand that the fringes driving them, those screaming the loudest, are pretty much the ones they don't need to listen to. Nor do they understand the anger. It comes from both sides too, not just one.

The bottom line is though, we're running out of options as a nation. How we got here is important, but how we're going to get out of it is more important, and I don't know the answer. I do know the routes they're pursuing ain't it.

Can't see your side never will. Runnnig around in nice cars and houses and then trying to punish everyone else cause they are trying to make ends meet....ain't cool.

Running around spouting the bible and then making sure everyone below them has less..ain't cool

Talking about leadership when their leadership only means more for them and less for everyone else...ain't cool.

Talking patriotism and sacrifice while eating a big ole fat steak and knowing it isn't them or anyone they care about being shot at daily.....ain't cool

Actually complaining about what teachers, firefighters, social workers, policeman get paid and saying it is too much.....ain't cool...

So no, I will never see your side

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:17:33 AM

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The Economic Policy Institute research states that the debt deal will cost over 1,800,000 jobs. It will also bring our GDP by 1.5%. With the GDP growing at only about 1.3%, that is a 0.2% drop in GDP.

In the past week, the stock market has gone down steadily, reaching a decline of about 700 points on Tuesday, Aug. 2.

Tea Partiers won the battle, but they will not win the war. When people begin to realize the TP policies have a negative impact on the economy, jobs and the nation, these people will be voted out of office. These all the same policies Hoover tried to employ and they took us into the G. Depression. Why do people not remember history?

EPI projections, like the CBO, are static projections. They just calculate the change in spending and apply some factors to it. The stock market has gone down because the economy sucks, and all this deal did for the economy was delay real change till the end of the year. The TP policies in the long run will be positive for the economy. You are totally backwards on the depression...Obamas spend and borrow policies are whatt prolonged and deepened the depression.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:26:37 AM

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"I'd call that wealthy. "

Nowhere near it.

If Bill Gates had Oprah's money he would kill himself - "Damn, I can't even put gas in my jet". OK I plageurized that but it serves the point.

A quarter mil isn't wealthy, it's comfortable, for now. Better not smoke, because one lung transplant will knock you out. If you have to borrow money to get ANYTHING you are not wealthy. How much is the cheapest Learjet ?

See, you can't earn wealth. It can't be done. So what if I mentioned Bill Gates, everybody knows how many people he fucked to get that money. You think he earned it then you think Jim and Tammy Baker earned it too, remember them ?

A quarter mil a year is about four or five grand a week. About twenty grand a month. You have to either save up for that Learjet or borrow. With true wealth you just pay the fucker and fly away, that simple.

And that doesn't have to show on the paycheck, oh no, you wouldn't want that. You go in the office and you just get the company you own to pick one up for you. And that's what people do not understand - you don't have to HAVE the money, you just have to CONTROL the money. The power the money begets is still in your hands, but you don't have to pay taxes on it.

So Apple has more money, supposedly, than the government. Who is Apple ? On that board of directors there is still one boss and if he says we need another jet, "we" have another jet. Every cost involved in maintaining that jet comes out of the shareholders' pockets, or actually from the customers' pockets. EVERYTHING is deductible, you can even make blowjobs deductible. " This is 'our' new secretary, umm what's your name again ? ". She's going to help us with some of the BIGGER issues here.

And it's all perfectly legal ya see. The company has a team of legal experts to make sure, and you only take home as much money as you WANT to take home.

If any one of us were truly wealthy we would have 30 or 40 dungeons all over the world and people would come play for free and for fun. Stop by any time.

Another plageurism - "Shak is rich, the guy who signs his checks is wealthy". Actually not true, but it serves the point. "Damn, that girl is bitching about those blow jobs and it's gong to be on the news ? Call by buddy over at Pfeizer and have him to call over there and keep this outta the news" (threaten to pull the advertising). Lay a couple hundred grand on the judge while your at it. Take care of all the witnesses as well.

You'll never hear a fucking word about it.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:28:01 AM

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I don't think you know what side my side is. If you assume staunch Republican, you're wrong. If you assume staunch any party, you're wrong. If you want to peg me on the liberal/conservative meter, I'm right of center for sure. The needle does not venture into the land of extreme nor very far away from center. The only party I've ever been a registered member of was the Democratic party. I dropped out of that one though maybe 15 years ago and haven't had any reason to join another.

Who I end up talking to in terms of debating issues however, are generally people who are pegged in one of those places either on the left or right side. It's why I say, neither side has the answer. In fact, I don't know if there is an answer for the US as a whole. We've spent so many years segregating ourselves that compromise is virtually impossible, and usually derided by both sides as giving in to the other. There's enough anger and hatred already floating around to fuel a couple of class wars.

Like I said, I can see both sides, that of the people suffering, and that of the person who finally has been able to see daylight and is castigated for it. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't society these days.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:41:37 AM

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Look don't worry. You don't have to feel guilty. Dole out a few crumbs to the rest of us down here below you and everything will be just fine. Be happy with what you got. Everyone else will learn to take care of themselves. Drive around with your windows down and tell yourself you are just like everyone else that is struggling day to day. You were fine on 320/month....Everyone else will as well. You got a break into daylight. Don't worry about the darkness...you got your stories right? Remember when?

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:45:14 AM

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The revenue problem and endless wars have been completely ignored. Frankly, I think the Democrats need to sit down and come up with a comprehensive plan to sell to the American Public. The Republican talking points and edicts have not worked, but they still control the debate.

The problem with proposing a "comprehensive plan" is that BIG Money controls Congress more than public interest.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 8:46:34 AM

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I think maybe you need to get closer to 250k a year and realize it's not all yachts, massive houses, Maserati's, and parties.

250K a year around here and I have a 4000 SF house on the lake with My own boat dock and a couple of boats. Travel about anywhere and any time I want and no significant debt within 4 years.

I'd call that wealthy.

Location location location. $250k in TN is a totally different world than $250k in coastal CA.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/3/2011 9:58:22 AM

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It is willbe. But the decision is still made to live in Tenn or CA. Many people dont have the money to make that decision.

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