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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 12:13:27 AM   
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"Oh I dunno, Termy, I'm the type where, if no harm was done other than me feeling angry, hurt or embarrassed, I prefer to just get over it and move on to better things. "

What planet are you on ? The problem is twofold, first you were "cowed" and then you lost the rest of it.

Understnd that the meaning of life IS death. That death is what really gives meaning to life,

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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 12:26:55 AM   
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You found the language worthy to repeat and single out, so that makes me assume you found it out of order....
She was making a rather telling point which seems to have zipped right over your head.

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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 5:16:28 AM   
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i think you did the right thing by not letting it go.


i'd like to qualify that. There was no one "right thing" to do. You made the choice not to let it go. i would have made a different one, and been happy with it. But i can why you thought it was important. Perhaps i "let it go" too often. i've always wondered what motivates people to fight about relatively small stuff like this. Different temperments, i guess.

The OP may be exaggerating, but i'm pretty sure her Daddy isn't, which makes it easier to trust their combined version of the story.

It doesn't matter whether the receptionist's comment was true or not. It was rude, and if we can believe any part of what was said here, it was deliberately rude. That's not a small mistake.

Whatever you choose to do, i hope that it's the right choice for you, and also, that your health improves.

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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 7:06:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What planet are you on ?

Earth.

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The problem is twofold, first you were "cowed" and then you lost the rest of it.

Only a problem in your eyes. In my eyes I would not have been cowed.  You have to let somebody cow you, to be cowed. 


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Understnd that the meaning of life IS death. That death is what really gives meaning to life,


LOL apparently you missed whole trainwreck thread that fucking is the meaning of life. 

(I disagree with both concepts)

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     understand that, and you got it.


I appreciate the advice, but I'll keep my own philosophies. 



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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 7:09:22 AM   
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I don't know all the details, but...



actually none of us know all the details. we weren't there.

it's possible the receptionist was as rude as the OP claims.

it's also just as possible that the OP is misquoting and blowing things out of proportion.
she seems to have a lot of complaints about the "cunt bug faced troll receptionist," the "clueless neuro doc who is dragging his feet" and who her old man told to "take his crappy care and shove." BY THE SAME TOKEN, she says her NARCOTIC meds "fuddle her head so badly."

so all of you who are rushing to judgement and encouraging her to pitch a fit and have the receptionist fired?
kinda sucky, if you ask me, based on her own words.




Since you quoted me, I will address you and your harsh judgment of the situation and those responding to it, whatever response they might have had, whether I agree with it or not. I did not judge a situation, I gave information on what I would do. Based on my own personal experiences, personal pride, personal avocation for those with complicated medical situations, government programs and what I actually said, I find what you said, harsh, uncalled for, uninformed and coming off in an attack mode.

Do you know the issues of the chronically ill? Do you know what happens in their life, their livelihood, medically speaking and how the medical community OFTEN treats them? Do you know the heart breaking position a person who was once able, that is no longer able, finds themselves in? Do you know how hard it is for someone to go and get the help they need and all they have tried to do, not to ask for help? Do you know that one sign of a person trying not to take from the tax payer or system is that they will categorize or separate welfare services and will take the lesser of what they consider two evils... cash and medical services they must have to maintain life and will try to justify or lessen the blow of having to have help? Do you know that many times they will take less than what they could? Often times harming themselves more because they don't want help, don't want to be a burden and just want to get out of that wheel chair, or away from that cane and go to work to support their families?

Do you know that the medical community often blames the ill or injured for things they couldn't be guilty of under many circumstances and will often abuse, neglect and challenge a difficult patient? How often times they over look serious conditions based on the complexity of their medical issues, financial position or lack of insurance at a time when insurance companies will deny them services because they actually need them? Do you know the complete devastation of a chronic illness or injury that can be so serious that you need canes, wheel chairs, etc. or narcotics and what you will be called and how you will be treated if you do need them and all the in's and out's of what happens to your life, relationships, future care and pride?

Until you are aware and personally know the facts of this situation or any other, you really shouldn't be coming here judging what others have said in response to a situation and say that WE rushed to judgment when we may have some personal knowledge or experience of how things often go in similar situations. Personally, all I did was give some information. I did not encourage any thing but talking to someone that would be able to legally evaluate the situation and correct whatever might be wrong.

Do you understand what can happen when narcotic's are needed? You can feel foggy or brain muddled, when you really aren't but think you could be because you simply don't feel yourself or feel a bit off or because you are overwhelmed. I live this stuff... I often think I am worse than I am mentally because of pain, and have in the past when I did get medication, because of the medication. I have mild strokes.. because of them I can be like a dementia patient. Do you know what happens? I will know a word, a name, a factoid, but will question myself because I once might have failed to remember something, so I will think that because I did, I could or could be in a similar situation, when in fact, I am not confused, do know what I am thinking or saying and yet... will doubt myself. This is very common for people in pain, people in stressful situations and people with real medical issues and with the elderly. They are quite often far more aware than they give themselves credit for.

Often times you mention narcotic and people think you are a drug addict, must be this or that... must be high... must be so many things that simply are selected cases and not all who find themselves in a position of having a need for a narcotic. Do you know that if you need narcotic's how hard it is to get them and how many suffer and are called drug addicts seeking and why some of us give up, suffer the pain and cannot prove with records what our doctors were treating us for when we must go to a new doctor? How often times they will neglect, call us names, accuse us of various things simply because they do not want to treat a difficult patient that will require more from them and how many will neglect you hoping you will go to someone else?

Until you do know all these things... I will be nicer than I care to be... shut up and become aware. You didn't just accuse or judge the OP... but anyone else in a similar situation with your assessment of narcotic use and the effects of narcotics as well as your clear ignorance of how things go with challenging patients. You were using the OP's words... but you had no clear understanding of where they might be coming from. I do not agree with everything the OP said... but I do understand where what she said comes from. Before you evaluate situations based only on what you can see in a very complicated situation based on the facts and variations of situations such as this... you really shouldn't find fault with those giving an opinion, a fact known to them or their own evaluation simply because it is different from your own assessment.

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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 7:38:05 AM   
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Actually the woman did say exactly what shorty stated. She may be on narcs but she is not so bored or lacking in attention that she needs to run to you all and stir up shit. I don't think think she should have been fired. Shorty doesn't either. We both think more than a verbal warning was needed.

She does msunderstand things easily and takes written "official" government (such as the DHS brochure) literal over people sometimes. Her worker and I sat down with her today.

Now the company she works for does offer health insurance to those WITHOUT pre-existing major medical conditions. They also have a drug discount program, but with state assitance her medication totaling almost a grand are $23 a month.

Now I will keep her from starting anymore personal posts and keep it strictly light and humorous.

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I think your partner has contributed positively to the message boards, if you think she should stay away from personal type things that is your business, but I think she's an intelligent woman with things to share. I don't get the feeling at all that she's stirring things up for attention. She seems to be a woman who is happy in her home life and happens to be battling a horrible illness but is keeping up a good face in spite of it. Kudos to both of you for meeting adversity with grace.

With that in mind, what does the public here really have to go on but the words of another? If the OP of this thread said something happened and tells the manner in which is happened I am inclined to believe her. There isn't any circumstantial evidence to say anything otherwise. Her being on medication is not even a part of this. Someone in a professional position used a term that has derogatory connotations in an audible manner which was overheard by anyone in the vicinity. That is wrong professionally and personally. No one should have to deal with something of that nature which is why there are laws against that type of thing. Why people are blaming the OP is beyond me, she has a legitimate complaint.

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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 8:25:40 AM   
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Just to clarify - there is a difference between a disability payment and a public assistance payment.  You do not have to be 65 to claim a Medicare disability if you've worked a certain amount of time (it really isn't all that much, something like 5 working years or so), and if you have a qualifying disability, you can go on Medicare.  This is different than Medicaid, which covers for the indigent, people who do not have insurance and who have not qualified for an employer insurance program or a Medicare disability. .  

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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 11:02:10 AM   
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'Cause people are assholes.

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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 12:30:48 PM   
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To the OP, I am sorry you had to go through that. It can be embarrassing as hell to be identified as someone who is receiving assistance, especially to someone who is doing all they can do. I am amazed that I have to follow stricter rules regarding kids who receive free lunch than someone in a doctors office has to regarding health care. If I were to let anyone know that another was on free lunch, it is a privacy violation, and it is a fire able offense.

For the posters who have seen fit to try to rub salt into the wounds of the OP, I hope you never find your self in a position to be unable to help your self as much as you would like to. To someone who uses benefits that they feel are an entitlement, I would imagine there would be no shame in others knowing about it. When I received help 20 years ago for a couple of years, I would do everything I could to keep anyone from seeing me use foodstamps. It was humiliating as hell.



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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 12:41:14 PM   
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"'Cause people are assholes. "

Yeah the meeting is at my house on Novembr 16th. Be there or be square.

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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/6/2011 1:03:58 PM   
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fast reply

To the OP, I am sorry you had to go through that. It can be embarrassing as hell to be identified as someone who is receiving assistance, especially to someone who is doing all they can do. I am amazed that I have to follow stricter rules regarding kids who receive free lunch than someone in a doctors office has to regarding health care. If I were to let anyone know that another was on free lunch, it is a privacy violation, and it is a fire able offense.


Makes sense, because can you imagine what the other kids would do and the bullying that would happen? Though I am kinda shocked that this can happen in a doctor's office.

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For the posters who have seen fit to try to rub salt into the wounds of the OP, I hope you never find your self in a position to be unable to help your self as much as you would like to. To someone who uses benefits that they feel are an entitlement, I would imagine there would be no shame in others knowing about it. When I received help 20 years ago for a couple of years, I would do everything I could to keep anyone from seeing me use foodstamps. It was humiliating as hell.


It's a bit of a double edged sword here, there will always people who take advantage of the system, though I rather have a few taking advantage than people who need help go without it. In most European countries you don't have food stamps because of the very reason you mentioned, that people are horribly embarrassed and singled out and it's against their dignity. Some places have vouchers, usually used for clothes and furniture, so in case your income is under a certain limit and you have the need for a bunch of things you can pick them out, or can get clothes from a charity shop, Caritas runs such a scheme in Germany and from having volunteered for them, the people working there are very very careful to not offend the feelings of the people who utilize such vouchers. There's also a thing called "Die Tafel" where people in need can get food, it's basically food that's not past the sell by date but close to it, or food where the packaging might have been scratched or dented and it won't look attractive anymore, or a supermarket realizes they have too much of it and instead of reducing it greatly and ruining the prices they rather donate it and have a tax write off. Despite being mainly run by volunteers or students doing internships, treating the people with anything less than courtesy is a reason to be dismissed.

I used to be a bit pissed off about people getting benefits (sometimes it is painfully obvious and some of them brag about it and how they are smarter than "idiots" who work) spending it on booze and cigarettes and possibly drugs and thought that maybe they should get food stamps that can't be used for alcohol, cigs or luxury goods, but if you think about it, it wouldn't help, they'd just get the goods and then sell them and buy the drug of their choice from the money, all it would do would create more costs for the system.

A couple of years ago a company folded, great thing was that I was talking all the overtime that had accumulated and went on a long trip abroad to come back and find that I was horribly overdrawn as they hadn't paid me the last few months (at the time I didn't do internet banking and naively thought the money would be there as usual), I was so horribly embarrassed to go to the unemployment office and register (something I had to do for the state to actually follow up to my complain and so that I wouldn't have to pay the missing health insurance myself - which they also didn't pay - not their part and not the part that comes out of my wages as they simply didn't pay me wages), the whole paperwork and just standing there like a beggar, I found that quite gutting. Anybody who can swallow their pride and cash in on benefits with a sense of entitlement, let them have it, rather than make it worse for anybody who truly needs it. If somebody isn't able to make ends meet but tries their best, then they do deserve help, ffs even rats will look after their sick and wounded pack members, I would hope as humans we're at least that evolved...


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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/8/2011 8:46:10 PM   
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I have read these and many other threads here for several years with great interest, and have found, as we all have, those posters I generally agree with and those I generally don't but whose ideas I immensely respect nevertheless. That is the American way- to respect differences. I have never posted to any thread before, but felt compelled to this time. Just as background, I am a professional man with a grown family who has a paid off house (no mortgage), no credit card and zero other debt, and who took no assistance from anybody, givernmental or not, for the time I was out of work totally for 6 months and cut on one day's notice to part time with 50% pay for a whole year while helping put two children through college. The quote that inspires this thread is below:

"The term "welfare" does not apply only to cash assistance. Your medical tab gets picked up by other people. You're not footing the bill. Every time you walk into the clinic, other people are paying your expenses. I've supported Myself and My kids with no insurance. I worked My ass off and I paid. I never pushed Myself off or let anyone else EVER pay a fucking medical bill. I worked My ass off and I paid!!! Even when I could only send ten bucks a month. Awww. No. You're "entitled" right? Just keep taking the public dole and bitch about how it's not welfare. "

The writer of this is a woman who I do not know personally but whose intelligent, informed opinions I read here often, and always with respect until now. Several of you seem to be in agreement with her as well. This attitude, prevalent among the 'haves' of our culture, shows a striking lack of compassion for the 'have nots'. There's a great Dylan song that says "There, but for Fortune, goes YOU and goes I." Another song from the period says "to help lift up the fallen we must sow the seeds of kindness". I know that I have been on the doorstep of needing help a couple of times in my life, and but for the grace of God, some luck and some good management would have lost all the trappings of our society. I'm lucky now to have insurance, a pension and a reasonable salary. let's not condemn those who 'have-not' but rather try to show the compassion we hope would be shown to us in a similar situation. To those of you who have written compassionate remarks regading this situation, my thanks. You are the change we need to see in the world, to paraphrase Ghandi.

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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/8/2011 9:03:07 PM   
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This attitude, prevalent among the 'haves' of our culture, shows a striking lack of compassion for the 'have nots'. There's a great Dylan song that says "There, but for Fortune, goes YOU and goes I." Another song from the period says "to help lift up the fallen we must sow the seeds of kindness". I know that I have been on the doorstep of needing help a couple of times in my life, and but for the grace of God, some luck and some good management would have lost all the trappings of our society. I'm lucky now to have insurance, a pension and a reasonable salary. let's not condemn those who 'have-not' but rather try to show the compassion we hope would be shown to us in a similar situation. To those of you who have written compassionate remarks regading this situation, my thanks. You are the change we need to see in the world, to paraphrase Ghandi.


This. Thank you. I haven't been following this thread, but happened to click on your post and am glad I did.

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RE: Marked for failure? - 8/8/2011 9:11:47 PM   
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There's a great Dylan song that says "There, but for Fortune, goes YOU and goes I."



This is kinda OT but that is Phil Ochs and not Dylan, you are aware that you did throw me into a panic? I thought I was missing a recording of his Bobness.

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