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Child murderer gets compensation for threats made by po... - 8/5/2011 1:15:40 AM   
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Do you think its right or wrong?

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/world/story/9950651/

I understand why he got paid, as police have to stay within their boundaries just like every other profession has to, but the person who did the threat at that time has received probation for his actions, so it's not as if it would have been just blindly accepted, so I think there was no need really to give that on top of it

On the plus side, according to the news as well as that article, he has to pay the legal fees himself so he won't have much left over from it and did get much less than his attempted 10k.


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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 1:45:38 AM   
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no question. absolutely right. the cops broke the fucking rules, so he should be compensated. that he killed a kid has fuck all to do with it. its the principal involved. the coercive instruments must be held to their own fucking rules.


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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 4:47:22 AM   
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Yes I think this is right, a free nation's legal system works with her being rules and regulations to go by for law enforcement, if you let that go because a crime in heinous what will you end up with then? Also consider this, the man was threatened with violence during interrogation, if that was accepted behavior what would stop a policeman more interested in looking good on paper than in the truth from just nabbing someone off the street and beating a confession out of them? Also consider this, what if a child murderer get to walk because the accused can say I was beaten until I confessed. No the laws are there for a reason and desiring revenge upon someone for having done something horrible is not good enough reason to dispense a nation's laws. Let the convicted man have his money and then let him rot in jail.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 10:00:54 AM   
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Oh the poor little child murder got his feelings hurt.

Fuck him


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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 10:21:22 AM   
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Why do some law enforcement personnel feel that the law does not apply to them if breaking that law gets a criminal off the streets?

A few years ago, Suffolk County (Massachusetts) sheriff's deputies arrested a known drug dealer with 1/2 ounce of cocaine. They wanted to ensure a conviction and get a drug dealer off the streets - so they took 5 grams of cocaine out of the evidence locker and claimed the drug dealer had it on him when they arrested him. They were sloppy and got caught manufactured "additional evidence", the cops went to jail and the drug dealer went free.

O. J. Simpson would have probably been convicted of murder - but LA cop Mark Furman wanted to "make sure" so he broke the law and manufactured "additional evidence" creating reasonable doubt and ensuring Simpson's acquittal.

Luckily, this German cop didn't screw up the murderer getting convicted - like LA cop Mark Furman did in the O.J. Simpson case.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 10:37:02 AM   
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At the time, he was a suspect, not a convict.  So threatening violence, presumably to get a confession, is an outrage.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 10:59:22 AM   
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Oh the poor little child murder got his feelings hurt.


It is not about the feelings of this individual, it is about the integrity of the legal system. If police can threaten with violence to get convictions then you have witch trials, what is then to stop someone from arresting you or someone you love and beating the crap out of you until you confess and then put you away for murder? Would you like that? The point is the legal system works only, and I stress only if people do not get so blinded by violence and remember that the rules are there to protect us all and create a fair system where everyone is innocent until Proven guilty.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 11:53:07 AM   
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Yes he should be paid for having his rights violated.

and... now that he is a convicted child murderer, every dollar (Euro, whatever) he has should be confiscated and turned over to the family of his victim.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 12:13:01 PM   
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If there is a law against it as an interrogation technique that was violated then obviously the law needs to be followed. SHOULD police be able to threaten violence? Why the fuck not? The bastard might piss his pants? BFD.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 1:20:11 PM   
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All I a see is they had to pay him a few bucks because the officer hurt his feelings.  The judge evened it out by making him use the money to pay for the trial.

I don't see where the Officer did anything to cause the piece of shit to not be convicted or have the charges tossed.

I can't get all worked up because the Officer might have threatened to smack a child killer.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 2:32:54 PM   
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If there is a law against it as an interrogation technique that was violated then obviously the law needs to be followed. SHOULD police be able to threaten violence? Why the fuck not? The bastard might piss his pants? BFD.


I will tell you why the fuck not, because not everyone arrested is guilty, the reason why there is limitations to what interrogation methods the police can use is that we do not want a society where the police will do whatever it takes to get a confession out of whoever they think is guilty is that it is not their job to decide who is guilty or not, if the police was allowed free reign then anyone could be threatened into a confession, and is that really what you want?

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All I a see is they had to pay him a few bucks because the officer hurt his feelings.  The judge evened it out by making him use the money to pay for the trial.


The accused pay for the trial if found guilty in Germany if I am not mistaken, that is common practice it have nothing to do with suing the policeman. Also it is not about hurting anyones feelings, it is about threatening to do violence.

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I don't see where the Officer did anything to cause the piece of shit to not be convicted or have the charges tossed.


No but he easily could have as whatever evidence he got through irrigation would be null and void as the policeman used coercion, he would have given one hell of a gift package to the defense and had this been in USA who have even stronger laws when it comes to what makes evidence and in fact an entire investigation null and void in court the convicted man most likely would have walked, when a policeman do not follow the rules and is catch doing it then chances are he will have given the defense enough ammo to get a murderer off the hook, and that is a huge chance to take.

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I can't get all worked up because the Officer might have threatened to smack a child killer.


You really do not get it, try to think a little, at the time the suspect was not convicted, he was a suspect, no one knew if he had done it or not, what if he was innocent. You get so wrapped up with how horrific the crime is that you forget the underlaying problem, if the police is allowed to threaten prisoners with violence they can do that to anyone, they can decide oh I think this person or people, perhaps let us say flcouple have killed this kid, so we will drag them in and interrogate them and terrorize them until they confess, whatever it takes to get a confession and then lock them up for the rest of their lives. The job of a justice system is not just to catch the bad guys but also to protect the innocent, including protecting them from wrongful prosecution. It is not the police's job to decide who they think is guilty and then break whatever rules needed to get a confession, it is their job to investigate the matter and then turn their investigation over to a court of law who will decide if a suspect is guilty or not, such hillbilly justice that you seam to favor benefit no one.

Also the least thing one need is for a real murderer to walk because a policeman have forced a confession out of the wrong person, there are a reason why there is laws when it comes to what a policeman can and can not do, and those laws do not change when a crime is horrific.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 2:55:32 PM   
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Why do some law enforcement personnel feel that the law does not apply to them if breaking that law gets a criminal off the streets?
I don't know, maybe because of opinions like the one right above you?

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Oh the poor little child murder got his feelings hurt.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 2:56:50 PM   
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and... now that he is a convicted child murderer, every dollar (Euro, whatever) he has should be confiscated and turned over to the family of his victim.
I think I'd be OK with that.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 3:00:25 PM   
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what if he was innocent.
He was. Innocent until proven guilty.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 4:56:12 PM   
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And using words to threaten a suspect is apparently against the law in Germany. Given their past experiences with unchecked police powers, they might just be a little touchy about it.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 5:08:03 PM   
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I know this is in Deutchland.... but aren't you allowed to lie and use coersion during interrogation, here in the US?

I don't know if you can threaten force in the US, though.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 5:24:13 PM   
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And using words to threaten a suspect is apparently against the law in Germany. Given their past experiences with unchecked police powers, they might just be a little touchy about it.


And I already said if thats the law, enforce it.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 5:26:59 PM   
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I know this is in Deutchland.... but aren't you allowed to lie and use coersion during interrogation, here in the US?

I don't know if you can threaten force in the US, though.


Lying, bluffing, trickery...yes. Coercion of any kind including threats...no.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 5:44:44 PM   
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Lying, bluffing, trickery...yes. Coercion of any kind including threats...no.
That's my understanding as well, for both the US & Canada.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 6:47:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: nephandi

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If there is a law against it as an interrogation technique that was violated then obviously the law needs to be followed. SHOULD police be able to threaten violence? Why the fuck not? The bastard might piss his pants? BFD.


I will tell you why the fuck not, because not everyone arrested is guilty, the reason why there is limitations to what interrogation methods the police can use is that we do not want a society where the police will do whatever it takes to get a confession out of whoever they think is guilty is that it is not their job to decide who is guilty or not, if the police was allowed free reign then anyone could be threatened into a confession, and is that really what you want?

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All I a see is they had to pay him a few bucks because the officer hurt his feelings.  The judge evened it out by making him use the money to pay for the trial.


The accused pay for the trial if found guilty in Germany if I am not mistaken, that is common practice it have nothing to do with suing the policeman. Also it is not about hurting anyones feelings, it is about threatening to do violence.

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I don't see where the Officer did anything to cause the piece of shit to not be convicted or have the charges tossed.


No but he easily could have as whatever evidence he got through irrigation would be null and void as the policeman used coercion, he would have given one hell of a gift package to the defense and had this been in USA who have even stronger laws when it comes to what makes evidence and in fact an entire investigation null and void in court the convicted man most likely would have walked, when a policeman do not follow the rules and is catch doing it then chances are he will have given the defense enough ammo to get a murderer off the hook, and that is a huge chance to take.

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I can't get all worked up because the Officer might have threatened to smack a child killer.


You really do not get it, try to think a little, at the time the suspect was not convicted, he was a suspect, no one knew if he had done it or not, what if he was innocent. You get so wrapped up with how horrific the crime is that you forget the underlaying problem, if the police is allowed to threaten prisoners with violence they can do that to anyone, they can decide oh I think this person or people, perhaps let us say flcouple have killed this kid, so we will drag them in and interrogate them and terrorize them until they confess, whatever it takes to get a confession and then lock them up for the rest of their lives. The job of a justice system is not just to catch the bad guys but also to protect the innocent, including protecting them from wrongful prosecution. It is not the police's job to decide who they think is guilty and then break whatever rules needed to get a confession, it is their job to investigate the matter and then turn their investigation over to a court of law who will decide if a suspect is guilty or not, such hillbilly justice that you seam to favor benefit no one.

Also the least thing one need is for a real murderer to walk because a policeman have forced a confession out of the wrong person, there are a reason why there is laws when it comes to what a policeman can and can not do, and those laws do not change when a crime is horrific.

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Extremely well said, nephandi. There are those who are so disgusted by the crime involved, they can't see beyond it to reality.

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